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Either interpretation is valid. It’s a testament to the show that it doesn’t have one of the characters explicitly say “drat is messed up for this guy to suggest Tony stole it” or “real rude to suggest that this gift is not in fact the nicest shotgun.” The fact that it is an insult is clear from his tone, and the actors sell it well, and the edits make it clear what is happening.
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I absolutely believe it is an original and that the diplomat was basically pointing out it had to have been stolen/smuggled to get into the country. - Tony has a two-way smuggling operation going with Italy via Annalisa, which we've seen include weapons - Tony admits he has never been to the workshop, which would have been the only way he could have legitimately gotten his hands on one The episode had gone out of its way to showcase the couple as being patronisingly superior and looking down on people from Tony's region, with Carmela ripping her mother a new one over it. I think it's far more likely that the intent is to show the guy is all but outright rubbing it in Tony's face that he is a criminal as opposed to that he bought a cheap knockoff. I think if it had been the latter he would have been more obvious/upfront about it, but this was his way of insulting Tony and showing off his own knowledge/cultured superiority. Edit: hi liter makes a very good point. Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 04:43 on Nov 1, 2019 |
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Jerusalem posted:- Tony admits he has never been to the workshop, which would have been the only way he could have legitimately gotten his hands on one Why would you even have to steal or smuggle it though? I'm not an expert on international gun sales but why would there not be a secondary market for something like that? Beretta can't control every private sale. They're not cuban cigars that would get flagged at customs. Knowing a person in another country who can send you things that a company doesn't export isn't a criminal activity. If he got it through Annalisa why wouldn't he just say "well I have a connection in Italy" instead of just meekly taking this insult and walking away? Why would some random friend of Hugh whos lived abroad so long even know Tony is a criminal? Yeah the Dr is a huge rear end in a top hat but it really just comes across as him trying to be smug about something Tony didn't know. banned from Starbucks fucked around with this message at 04:48 on Nov 1, 2019 |
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I just don't see Tony cheaping out/going for a fake for Hugh's birthday. He genuinely likes and respects him, and he always shows his love via expensive gifts. It just seems more likely to me that he spent up large to get Hugh a Beretta and the fact he was bringing it in from a third party either legally or illegally wouldn't have concerned him at all until the doctor made a big deal out of it.
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Thinking this is probably one of those cases where you're trying too hard to make an insightful connection. Unless there's a black market for these guns and Annalisa was already sending them en masse to Tony as part of his regular care package, Tony wouldn't have got it through her. Tony would have no way of knowing that Beretta only sells their finest pieces locally. It's almost certainly just the most expensive model Beretta shotgun Tony could find on short notice. Dr. Fegoli is just being a dick by pointing out that it's actually a second rate piece, which we see on Hugh's face when he says it.
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Again though I don't see Tony's reaction (and Hugh's) being so obviously offended/upset if was just Fegoli insinuating it's not a top of the line finest model available, that would just be him being a jerk as opposed to Tony storming off and Hugh losing all his enthusiasm for war stories in the wake of the statement. The suggestion is that it's a top model, which Fegoli makes a point of saying never get exported. Tony absolutely could have asked for it as a special extra thrown in with the other stuff they smuggle in from Italy, and given the value he puts on expense as well as status symbols, it just seems more likely to me that he made a point of getting Hugh an incredibly valuable/expensive shotgun via his connections without knowing that it's presence would tip off Fegoli that there was some illicit activity involved. I mean in the end it doesn't REALLY matter, since as hi liter noted: hi liter posted:The fact that it is an insult is clear from his tone, and the actors sell it well, and the edits make it clear what is happening.
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Season 5, Episode 9 - Unidentified Black MalesFinn DeTrolio posted:There was no abundant intentionality in me getting out the suitcase. On a hot summer's day, Tony and Tony B are trying to beat the heat by sitting outside watching the baseball game on a television that would have been old in season 1 let alone season 5. Drinking beers and eating lovely home-made "nachos", Tony B tells a story about a crazy Jamaican he met in prison who would make grilled cheese sandwiches on the radiator. As his cousin gets up to grab another beer, Tony notices he is limping and asked what happened, and Blundetto lies that he was jumped by a couple of black guys outside a bar - our first unidentified black males of the episode. Tony cracks a racist joke but declines the offer to make another batch of "nachos", he has dinner tonight in New York and he's saving his appetite. The dinner turns out to be at a fancy restaurant with his children, with Finn along for the ride. Finn has graduated and Tony is interested on if he plans to go back across country to spend the summer surfing near family, but he explains he is hoping to remain in the city. Meadow asks AJ how he is enjoying Summer School, apparently even with Wegler's pressure getting him to a C- he still needs to put in the extra work. He hates it of course, and and when Finn admits he once did Summer School but still managed to have fun, Meadow jokes that at "Casa Carmela" it'll be a "maximum security summer". Tony isn't happy at that kind of talk, and when Finn briefly excuses himself, Tony warns Meadow to cut Carmela a break and reminds her that she is the one who is actually holding the family together during this "current" situation. Obviously their recent sexual encounter after Hugh's birthday has him hopeful of reconciliation, and he's already laying the groundwork of reestablishing a united front with his wife. Tony's mood doesn't improve when he spots a waiter and asks for a check, and learns that Finn excused himself so he could pay it for them. Meadow's faces immediately fall as Tony's goes dark. Furious, he glares at Finn when he returns and asks him if he paid, and a beaming Finn fails to read the room and explains he wanted to reciprocate since Tony is always so generous when they go out. It's a perfectly reasonable and even laudable mindset, but he wasn't to know that for Tony it's actually an incredible insult: for Tony money=love AND respect/prestige, and Finn just "took" that from him. He soon figures it out though when Tony puts on a big smile and tells him he's lucky he doesn't rip his head off, he can pay when he has his OWN family. He peels off a wad of cash and flings it onto the table, demanding Finn take the cash. He storms off, and a mortified Meadow hurriedly tells Finn not to question or protest and just take the cash without a word. Outside, Tony has somewhat managed to get his anger under control and takes a troubled Finn aside to quasi-apologize for berating him. Finn DOES apologize, saying he didn't want to overstep his boundaries, and Tony acknowledges that he understands he was trying to do the right thing. Finn smiles to hear that, but there remains an uncomfortable silence between them afterwards, he's just gotten perhaps his first real look at the darker side of Tony who until now has just been the jolly, entertaining and loving father of his girlfriend.   Carmela is drinking wine at home with Gabriella, where she is beaming over telling about her and Tony's romantic encounter after her father's birthday party. She could tell Rosalie about Wegler but it had to stay a secret, but sex with her estranged husband is a thrilling tale that ALL of her friends can hear about. They have a giggle over the fact Tony fell asleep directly after sex, revel in the fact he called her the next day and sent flowers, but ponder the meaning of why he hasn't been in contact with her again this week. Gabriella wants the dirt, not on the sex itself but what Tony said to her the next day, and she says he told her it was nice, which she agrees with. She dreamily adds that he was very sweet but admits that she doesn't know if this is the first step towards them getting back together, or if that is even something she wants. She says that, but when she hears Tony's car pull-up to drop off AJ she all but leaps from the couch after Gabriella excuses herself to use the bathroom and give them some privacy. But when Carmela steps happily out the front door to greet them, Tony remains in the car, throws her a wordless smile and a nod and then backs out the driveway and heads off. Struggling to control her disappointment she heads inside and asks AJ if Tony was in a hurry, but her disinterested son grunts he just said he was tired, hands over an envelope of cash Tony told him to give her and fails to give her the kiss on the cheek he asked him to give her. He heads up to his room, leaving a humiliated Carmela behind who tries her best to save face by insisting to Gabriella that she's relieved because she didn't really want to talk to him anyway. With no idea how badly he's hosed up, the next day Tony plays golf with Johnny Sack. Johnny brings up that Joey Peeps loved golf, and Tony offers his condolences for Joey "going so young", a phrase that raises Johnny's blood pressure as he snaps that they both know it was Little Carmine behind Joey's death as revenge for Lorraine Calluzo. Tony quickly, sharply reminds him that he can't know that for sure, but out of curiosity asks if "your cop" has given him anything to work with, and is unsettled when Johnny says a homeless guy saw the killer limping away from the scene. His thoughts race as he lines up his shot, managing to hit a pretty solid drive in spite of his rising sense of panic as he recalls Tony Blundetto's limp. Johnny starts heading for their golf cart, lamenting the upcoming funeral but actually getting a little cheerful as he recalls how good Joey was to Ginny in the past, but turns just in time to see Tony suddenly collapse to his hands and knees. He races to Tony's side in concern, the pair who were waiting on them to finish rushing up to help, asking if he is having a heart attack. Whether offering what he thinks is a genuine reason or just trying a plausible excuse to protect his friend/colleague's dignity, Johnny says it's the weather affecting Tony's respiration. They get him onto a nearby bench where he catches his breath and attempts to collect himself, offering a grateful if slightly bewildered look Johnny's way. The "proof" is extraordinarily thin, but Tony has immediately jumped to the conclusion: Tony Blundetto killed Joey Peeps (and Heather, but nobody seems to care about that). He might not have grasped the ramifications of not talking with Carmela, but the enormous potential ramifications of Joey Peeps' murder are more than obvious to him.  Lightening the mood is Little Carmine's War Council. It's an extraordinary thing, as he speaks with Rusty Millio and Angelo Garepe about the current war between himself and Johnny Sack and makes it clearer than ever that there's a reason Tony once called him "Brainless the Second". "Historically, historical changes have come out of war" Little Carmine redundantly instructs his top men as he acknowledges he doesn't want an all-out conflict. Rusty Millio has all the confidence of the general who doesn't have to do any fighting himself, declaring that all Johnny Sack understands is violence so that if what they have to bring him. Laughably he informs Angelo - who spent well over a decade in prison - that he had a lot of time to think while recovering in a comfortable hospital bed from quadruple bypass surgery (he really is the Dick Cheney to Little Carmine's George W Bush!). Angelo for his part laments that they've gone to violence too quickly, they could have had a sit-down with the other Captains and come to a more diplomatic solution. Little Carmine corrects him on this viewpoint, this isn't the United Nations (unknowingly echoing Johnny Sack's own thoughts on running a family) and he won't let what happened to his father happen to him. Angelo is left confused by this, since Carmine died playing golf as the utterly secure Boss of the Family, but Rusty is quick to butter up Little Carmine, telling him he feels he may actually be a stronger man than even his father was. It's a naked play for brownie points, and an indication that Rusty's endgame is probably to have an easily manipulable puppet in place (Tony wouldn't be adverse either), but Little Carmine eats it up. He responds with a line for the ages, too good not to quote in its full glory. Little Carmine Lupertazzi posted:The fundamental question is: Will I be as effective as a boss like my dad was? And I will be. Even more so. But until I am... it's gonna be hard to verify that I think I'll be more effective. Magnificent. Later that night Finn and Meadow are sweltering in their apartment, the air conditioner shuddering along and the window shut due to the stink of garbage in the alley outside. Finn has been on the phone to speak with his parents about money, but all they've offered him is a plane ticket home. He admits he didn't speak with anybody from Student Placement about potentially finding a job, claiming that in this economy even the worst jobs aren't available and even if they were, he wouldn't want to take a job from a minority. Meadow sees nothing wrong with this well-meaning but frankly pretty loving racist and condescending mindset, more concerned about the failing air conditioner. Finn opens the window in spite of her protest about the garbage stink, and asks why they're spending such a miserable summer in New York City, and she reminds him it was meant to be an adventure before he started Grad School. Her guard immediately goes up when he suggests she could go to Carmela's place in New Jersey and sleep in comfort, suspiciously asking him if that is what he wants. He immediately promises it isn't, then settles on the floor and fans himself with a newspaper, pondering his current situation. He's graduated from College and he can't stand the idea of returning home to live with his parents when he's supposed to be going out and making his own life now. But in this lovely apartment, sweating from the heat and the stink, his resolve is already wavering as he considers maybe he COULD go home, take up a PA job for his friend's father - a photographer - and earn some money... she could even come and visit him for a week. Meadow, who is living with Finn now and considers their relationship a "We" thing as opposed to a "You and I" thing, is immediately alarmed. What's this about going home? About getting a job elsewhere? About her "visiting" instead of them living together? She becomes even more alarmed when he starts talking about how maybe photography could be an interesting career for him, reminding him he's supposed to become a dentist AND that she gave up Junior Year abroad (no Barcelona for her) so they could be together and now he wants to gently caress off back home and leave her here? He reminds her again this is about money, and then suggests maybe she could come out West with him, transfer to UCLA and finish her studies there. Meadow, who once dreamed of being on the other side of the country from her parents, is clearly not particularly enthused about the idea, and asks if that is what HE wants, to which he replies saying only if it is what SHE wants. This is getting them nowhere, so he suggests they go catch a late night movie where at least there'll be air conditioning. What does she want to see? She wants him to decide, but he wants her to, and so on it ever goes. Carmela is at home going through mail when lawyer Lee Nieman returns her call. It seems her original lawyer, Bob Greenberg, has now retired and she's looking for a replacement, and Nieman obviously has the basics down... but he also has bad news. Cutting her short as she says she has decided to proceed with divorce, he explains that Tony came to see him for a consultation in the previous year. As he points out the obvious without actually admitting it - that Tony took Sapinsly's advice and consulted every top divorce lawyer around - unseen by Carmela the bear from the first episode returns and lumbers around the yard. Nieman offers to give her the number of a lawyer colleague he knows Tony hasn't seen, the best he can offer her, and she takes it miserably. Humiliated by Tony's failure to acknowledge or develop on from their recent sexual encounter beyond a single phonecall and some flowers, she's now been reminded of how petty and disruptive he can be as well. The bear, finding no food, lumbers back off into the bushes, leaving Carmela none the wiser as she fumes over a very different kind of messy, potentially dangerous and definitely unwanted beast.   In the back of the Bada Bing, the mobsters are playing poker while Silvio and Christopher plays pool, and discussing the death of Joey Peeps. Paulie cracks a joke about Joey's brains being splattered on the seat, and gets upset when Little Paulie "tops him" with a similar joke about the dead hooker (they don't know her name and wouldn't care if they did) and silicon, complaining he's always trying to one-up him. Silvio adds in that since Joey Peeps' mother is widow and in a wheelchair, he thinks it would be good if they chipped in and purchased the headstone since Johnny Sack is covering the cost of everything else. Despite their recent jokes mocking Peeps, they all nod along in agreement that this is the right thing to do, and Jason Molinaro promises to call their marble guy. Tony arrives and asks to speak to Blundetto outside, where he is enraged at his cousin's complete lack of concern over hearing somebody saw Joey Peeps' assassin limping away. He SHOULD be impressed, when he hit Tony B with the news his cousin didn't even blink or change expression and kept his cool, but because he's Tony Soprano he's furious that he is keeping this from him. He demands to know where he gets the balls, ripping into him for running around like a free agent while Tony himself is bending over backwards trying to stay neutral. Blundetto's face doesn't budge an inch. He maintains his poker face admirably, which just makes Tony madder, betraying his own insecurities as he demands he stop looking at him like a jerk-off and complaining that he's sick of Blundetto also leaning on his status as a cousin as well as the bad hijack that sent him away for 15 years while Tony Soprano got to stay out. THAT gets a reaction from Tony B, a confused irritation as he points out that he's got no issue with Tony over this, and it's Tony himself who is the one who keeps bringing it up. Realizing he's losing control, Tony takes a moment to gather himself, and Blundetto takes the opportunity to lay out his own defense. He openly denies being the assassin, and when that sets Tony off again he cuts him off cleverly by pointing out that if he WAS the assassin... would Tony actually want to know? Tony can't deny that, and smiles when Blundetto notes it would just be another problem for Tony to have to handle with Johnny. He's still mad, but he's talking to not just his cousin but one of the few guys on his crew who actually seems to see the bigger picture and has the capability to think on his feet, and he appreciates that. He actually embarrasses Blundetto by revealing he knows about the IQ test he was given when they were younger than gave him an IQ of 158, and doesn't let his cousin get away with downplaying that achievement. He understands the frustration, Blundetto's sense that he's not earning as much as he could be what with the twins and his girlfriend to support, but he needs him to be straight with him so he can use his desirable combination of brains AND balls. Blundetto, who has actually been remarkably mostly straight with him, doesn't remind him he has always asked for more work but instead offers the old,"Put me in, coach" line, and is thrilled when Tony tells him he's giving him the illegal casino over the hardware store to manage. Carlo's guy has "the Hodgkins" so it needs a new manager, and on top of that Tony is going to see if he can get the books opened up and get Blundetto made, something he feels is long overdue. Now Blundetto's poker face is completely gone, replaced by happiness but more importantly gratitude, exactly what Tony always wants to see from everybody: an acknowledgement of what a great guy he is. In therapy, Tony celebrates his problem-solving. Melfi recognizes that a lot of what Tony is saying about his cousin is rote, listing of things she's heard from him before, and she gently prods him along perhaps suspecting that Tony imagines/desires a closer connection with/love for his cousin than perhaps is real. When he brings up Blundetto's IQ she doesn't point out the many, many, many flaws with this method of "measurement", but instead asks him why HE puts so much stock in that number. He keeps his good mood but he's clearly irritated at her for "making GBS threads on the test" (which she never did), and says while he didn't score anywhere near as high as Blundetto did he impressed himself with the smartness of his latest business move with his cousin and intends to enjoy that feeling. Sitting in amicable silence, he then brings up the other thing that has brought him so much joy recently: he and Carmela slept together. Melfi is surprised but pleased, asking him how he felt about that. "It was nice," he says, echoing Carmela,"It was very... erotic." Enjoying the memory, he talks with obvious longing of the smell of her perfume, then proves that as smart as he might be in some ways he's a loving idiot in others. Rather that acknowledging his own desperate need for the emotional fulfillment Carmela gives him, he instead smugly adds that he felt sorry because Carmela was so clearly starved for sex. He still believes he is the only man Carmela has ever been with, laughably unaware of her affair with Wegler who he assumed was homosexual, because of course for him her fidelity is assured while his own cheating is somehow not only appropriate but necessary. Melfi, who probably figures Carmela has more experience than Tony thinks, wisely moves on from that subject to ask if he's spoken with her about it. To her horror, Tony waves that off by saying he didn't want to give mixed signals and admits he hasn't spoken to her or seen her in a week. She attempts to instruct him that this really isn't a good idea but then is left irritated as he takes a phone right there in the waiting room, holding up a finger to silence her as he deals with business during a therapy session.   Tony Soprano really understands women, huh? While Tony is clearly thinking reconciliation is right around the corner, Carmela meets with her new lawyer and assures him that her relationship with Tony is barely civil. She admits that sometimes old feelings resurface but she is sure that he is NOT the man she wants to spend the rest of her life with. Satisfied, he moves to their assets and we discover I believe for the first time that the house is actually in her name. But she admits concern that the tax returns don't really reflect EVERYTHING, promising the lawyer it's nothing illegal but since Tony works in a primarily cash industry she suspects he has more income than what is officially shown. He's confident that won't be an issue, bragging that he once hired a forensic accountant who was able to reconstruct finances going back 11 years in less than a week on a husband who owned vending machines. If he could do that for coins, he can sure as hell do it with whatever cash under the table Tony is getting. For once, Carmela feels reassured. Meadow returns to the apartment she and Finn share where he's watching television, in a funk after having gone to hand in application to work at a cineplex in spite of his College degree. But Meadow has good news, she spoke to Tony who has managed to get Finn a job working construction. He's thrilled but confused, he has no experience in construction! Meadow assures him none is needed, he'll be working as a laborer... also it pays $20 an hour! He's thrilled and then confused all over again, how the hell can an unskilled laborer with no experience make $20 an hour? If he didn't already know he figures it out fairly quickly when he starts the job. Shifting scrap metal in wheelbarrows and sweating up a storm, he passes the mobsters who are hanging out shooting the poo poo and overhears Vito complaining about the Bluejays baseball team. When Patsy asked what happened, Finn speaks up as a Bluejays fan to compliment his team, though he admits to the mobsters his actual team is the Padres, as he's from California. Patsy excuses himself to make his collections while Vito suggests Finn stick with the Angels, saying he was the 98 Series where the Padres got beaten by the Yankees in four games. Finn, who is just a friendly guy shooting the poo poo with others on the site, gets his first taste of something not quite being right when Paulie arrives. Noticing poo poo on his tires, he orders "Shaggy" to get Lysol and scrub his tires, and threatens to knock his teeth out if he doesn't do as he is told when Finn explains he's supposed to be moving scrap. The foreman passes by and tries to extricate Finn smoothly by asking if he needs something to do, but immediately backs down when Paulie - just some random guy in regular clothes - tells him to get loving lost. Finn, confused but scared, rushes off, and Paulie demands to know from Vito if his checks have arrived yet. Vito hasn't seen the girl who hands those out (checks for phantom jobs) so Little Paulie suggest he send Meadow's friend to get them when he's done with the car. Paulie is confused and then horrified when he discovers the kid he was just threatening is Meadow Soprano's boyfriend. He quickly rushes to find him, all smiles as he peels off cash and shoves it in Finn's pocket, telling him he didn't realize he was dating Paulie's "niece" and insisting her take her out to dinner on him and tell her the money is from "Uncle Paulie". He takes the bucket from him and heads to do his tires himself, though he calls for Little Paulie to come get the hose to help him. Finn is utterly bewildered, who are these people and what the gently caress do they do all day? Tony joins Carmela at Vesuvio's for lunch at her invitation. He's late but completely oblivious to the situation, giving her a happy kiss on the cheek and with a big grin on his face as he settles across the table from her, probably thinking this is the first step towards their reunion and him moving back into the house and everything going back to the way it was in the past. Instead, Carmela informs him that she is filing for divorce, and his face falls at what was - for him and him alone - a shocking turn of events. Artie chooses this time to arrive and charm them, and a shell-shocked Tony asks him to give them a minute. Artie leaves cheerfully enough if a little put out, while Tony tries to act like he's not deeply hurt by Carmela's news and forces a smile to ask her with growing anger if she thought he wouldn't make a scene in a public place. She is unimpressed, telling him she is moving on with her life and pretending disinterest when he brings up them sleeping together last week, saying that changed nothing. Bizarrely he attempts logic, reminding her that as they're Italian they don't believe in divorce, they believe in the nuclear family! She scoffs at this pathetic line, not even having to verbalize all the reasons why they were never a "nuclear family". She informs him that - despite his efforts - she has a lawyer who will aggressively pursue his custody of AJ and "an equitable distribution of our assets". Tony, who at the start of this episode blew a gasket when Finn paid for a meal instead of him, is outraged that this is all about money, but Carmela won't let him guilt her, saying she wants what she deserves and that's more than half of his bullshit tax return. Artie, gloriously oblivious, strides up again to take their order a fuming Tony growls him to stand in the corner and wait for him to call. Artie gets the gently caress out of there, as Tony snarls at her to make her money from the 40k she stole from the bird feeder if she's such an investment genius. Carmela, maintaining her cool, asks him if he really wants to get ugly since the forensic accountants and divorce lawyers live for it. "Oh you think I don't?" he asks, standing up and storming away from the table... but he can't do it, he can't just leave, he has to indulge his desire for short-term gratification like he has his entire life. He returns and looms over her, sneering at her that everything she has comes from HIS sweat, and she knew from day 1 exactly how he earned his money. Now she lives in a mansion with diamond earrings and $500 shoes and tries to act like she's above all that and better than him? Carmela, intimidated but refusing to be cowed, tells him she wants what she is entitled to, and he responds to the mother of his children and his wife of 20 years who he so recently proclaimed was keeping the family together is entitled to poo poo. NOW he walks away, satisfied with having ripped into her. A large part of what he said was true, Carmela was always fully aware of how he made his money and she has always indulged in the benefits that brought her.... but he's still the guy in the wrong here, who slept around on her and pushed her to the point she wouldn't let him get away with it anymore. THAT is why he is angry, because she didn't let him just do as he pleased AND he thought they were going to get back together and thus he'd be free to have it both ways again: loving every woman he could but also having the emotional fulfillment of a life shared with her. She "took" that from him, and he wanted to hurt her in return. 
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At the construction site, Finn is chatting with Felicia Galan, who handles the checks that the mobsters collect for their "work". They're talking about Meadow, and Felicia asks if he plans to marry her, laughing at Finn's suggestion that living together is the same thing. A wedding band has some kind of weird power she assures him, though he seems more interested in the power of the thong she's wearing he can just see peeking up over her waistband. They're interrupted by the arrival of Vito, who cracks a joke about the Cubs beating Finn's team in baseball before asking Felicia if she thinks Finn looks like Joe Perry from Aerosmith. He heads into the trailer to see her boss, and Finn notes that Vito is a nice guy. She agrees, "they" all are... pretty much. Carmela and Meadow are shopping, where Carmela lets Meadow know she'll have to pay for anything on her own card since Tony is no longer paying Carmela's credit card bills. Meadow is surprised by that, knowing how much stock Tony puts in being the guy who pays for everything, and notes that the two of them seemed "chummy" in the pool last week. Carmela dismisses that, saying Tony and Artie helped her clean up and then both went straight home. As they continue browsing, Carmela tells Meadow that she is moving forward with the divorce, and Meadow asks what she'll do with her life now. Carmela doesn't know and Meadow gets fired up, demanding she stop being dependent on Tony. With absolutely zero self-awareness the girl whose college, rent and credit cards are all paid for by her father points out that it's simple enough for everybody else to get by without having things just handed to them. She proudly points out that Finn was able to go out and get construction, again apparently completely ignoring the fact he got that because she went to Tony and asked him to help out. "Good for Finn" agrees Carmela, but points out that while Meadow has options, Carmela is going to get by just fine with a lawyer. Phil and Billy Leotardo arrive at the construction site to pick up some cases of toner, stopping to shoot the poo poo with the other mobsters. Finn and Felicia are hanging out again, and watch as the mobsters discuss a necklace that Patsy bought for his goomar which breaks down into some mild ribbing about their various girlfriends. Little Paulie is enjoying being the center of attention, cracking jokes at everybody's expense until Eugene cracks one at his. Little Paulie comes back with a crack about Eugene being gay but sees it has upset him so laughs it off as just breaking balls, which he seems to accept. Vito calls out to Finn to ask him about tonight's baseball game, while Eugene decides to get up and take a piss, and as he wanders casually over towards Little Paulie he suddenly lashes out and smashes a bottle over his head. The other mobsters let out an appreciative,"OOOOHH!!" and Vito laughs that he saw it coming, but they take it more seriously when Eugene starts laying in kicks directly to Little Paulie's face. They pull him off, even now still chuckling a little as they tell him he needs to take the rest of the day off? Eugene is somewhat back under control and asks what they should do about the bloodied Little Paulie in case one of the "civilians" calls in the attack. Vito laughs that off, saying he saw "a couple niggers" running off in the other direction and they all laugh as they "remember" these unidentified black males. As they enjoy the brief diversion from sitting around, Finn is struggling not to vomit as Felicia nervously checks on him, concerned about how upset he is over seeing this beating from all of these "nice guys". That night over dinner, Meadow is incredulous of Finn's story, refusing to believe that "Sweet" Eugene Pontecorvo would assault somebody like that. Clearly still deeply upset, Finn can't bring himself to eat the chili she made and she pouts that she told him she was making dinner, so he forces some down his throat and tries to make small-talk. But he can't, he keeps coming back to the reckless, animalistic violence, and asks if she saw this type of thing growing up. Offended, she insists she never saw a bit of violence growing up, and is even more offended when he brings up the death of Jackie Jr. She reminds him he was shot by drug dealers, African Americans in fact (more unidentified black males), and then the college kid in her comes out as she criticises Finn for judging the likes of Eugene, saying that he and the others just partake in "certain modes of conflict resolution" with origins in poverty in the old country under corrupt higher authorities. Which is all a very nice way of saying that Eugene kicked Little Paulie in the face for making a gay joke at his expense.   At Joey Peeps' funeral, Tony is furious with Silvio over the headstone reading literally "Peeps" instead of Pepparelli. Shamefaced, Silvio says they're going to redo it, explaining that Jason is dyslexic which Tony points out isn't actually an excuse. Johnny Sack glares a hole through Little Carmine from the other side of the casket while Joey's wheelchair bound mother weeps bitterly. The service ended, everybody pays their respects and part ways, Tony rushing after Johnny to apologize for the headstone and promising to fix it. That's not why Johnny is pissed though, as with an angry grin he asks if Tony remembers Mickey Farrell who used to run the dockworkers Union in Port Newark? Because Mickey saw Tony Blundetto on the Upper West Side the same night Joey Peeps was killed, and now Johnny has seen that Tony B is limping and put 2-and-2 together. Much like his cousin did with him earlier, Tony keeps an admirable poker face, just looking confused as to how Johnny has made this leap of logic. Johnny won't be cajoled though, raising his voice in his anger and catching the attention of both Tony's crew and Johnny's. Tony quickly redirects his anger, forgoing his earlier attempts to defend Little Carmine by quietly reminding Johnny that he was probably responsible for Joey's murder. That gets Johnny in a rage again, as he growls that he is going to kill Little Carmine AND his wife AND Tony Blundetto. Furious at Johnny's lack of control, Tony manages to convince him to step inside their waiting car so they can at least thrash this out with a modicum of privacy. Inside the car, Tony is free to be a little less diplomatic, gritting his teeth and warning Johnny he needs to step outside, approach Little Carmine and shake his hand so they can put this poo poo to bed. Johnny though has lost it, after years of being the calm, collected even-headed underboss he is running free from Carmine's grip and is determined to indulge his every whim. His voice breaks in outrage at the gall of Little Carmine kissing Joey's mother when he was the one who clearly ordered Joey's death. A pissed off Tony, who knows that a good offense is a good defense, reminds him that this is the way things have ALWAYS worked, they pretend everything is fine and let people get away with poo poo for the sake of appearances. He is furious that Johnny would take "a drunken Irish loving prick" over his word, and perhaps sensing that he has gone too far Johnny at last forces himself to have some measure of control. Outside, their respective crews wait awkwardly for their Bosses to finish their business, Phil and Silvio making awkward small talk. Tony and Johnny have a drink, both of their tempers temporarily calmed. Keeping his voice level, Tony points out what has been obvious to everybody: Johnny hasn't been himself since Carmine died. But Johnny isn't interested in talking about his lack of restraint, he wants an explanation of where Tony Blundetto was if he wasn't the one who killed Joey Peeps. He's disgusted when Tony says Blundetto was with him, but left shaken when an equally disgusted Tony explains that they were searching for Blundetto's missing daughter, using Kelly as a prop to shame Johnny into believing him, spinning a story about the two of them being upstate following up a lead that she was living with a crackhead. Just to really hammer on the guilt, he tells Johnny he had actually considered reaching out to him for help, and a still livid Johnny who wants more than anything a target for his rage warns him not to lie. Tony gives him a withering look, a silent reminder that he is a Boss too, and points out that he is sitting here humbling himself purely out of friendship to Johnny. Still not quite believing but left in a position where he has to force himself to, Johnny leaves the car without another word but also no more proclamations of rage or threats of murder. Outside of the car, he stares over at where Blundetto is chatting with Christopher, then forces himself to walk away. Tony gets out next, glaring at his cousin, still pissed at the situation he has put him in.   Finn works another day at the construction yard, wheeling scrap and trying his best to get past the mobsters who call out a cheerful greeting to him, including a happy Eugene. They call him back and he nervously approaches, not wanting to offer an opinion when they ask him who would win in their prime: Ali or Tyson? He admits he doesn't want to say and risk offending anybody after what Eugene did to Little Paulie the other day, a statement which makes Eugene laugh with appreciation like Finn just told a great joke. Trying to find an excuse to go, Finn says his boss will be on his rear end if he doesn't get back to work, but Vito assures him that he's already spoken with him and he doesn't have to worry about anything. Still nervous but tempted by the chance to relax and eat donuts, he settles into a chair and admits he barely slept last night. Eugene, sweet Eugene, tells him to just go ahead and take a nap, and in spite of himself Finn finds himself relaxing and enjoying the chance to just do... nothing. At Christopher's, he's crawling up the walls in a rage over the changing of the tides. Tony Blundetto has become Cousin #1 and he feels like he's being eased aside, ranting about how Tony always has secret agendas and side deals going. Scoffing down a chocolate bar from the fridge, one of the coping mechanisms he has found to deal being sober, he declares that Tony secretly doesn't believe he has really changed and turned the corner from being a junkie, insisting that Tony is a hypocrite since he goes to a shrink but doesn't believe others are capable of introspection. Adriana tries her to best to calm him down, suggesting it's Tony not wanting him to have too much on his shoulders, reminding him how overworked he has been recently. But he doesn't want a discussion or to reason through something, he wants to vent his anger. Agent Sanseverino is driving with her daughter, giving her a dressing down about her attitude. Sanseverino, if you recall, straight up told Adriana that she had no children which was clearly a lie, which probably means all her other little tidbits of personal information offered to Adriana were similarly lies designed to keep her cooperative. It actually makes perfect sense for her to be doing that, she doesn't want to get too close/tied in to the relationship, an issue that Skip Lipari probably had with Pussy all those years ago. Her phone rings and she reminds her daughter sternly she'd been told not to speak when she is on the phone. Answering, it's Adriana, who either just to gossip or out of some misguided effort to "help" Christopher is probably about to give her all the dirt on Tony Blundetto being put in charge of the casino. Finn and Meadow are hanging out at the beach with friends to try and escape the heat of the city. One friend, Dale, has decided that instead of joining the CIA to fight terror he's going to go to Film School, which seems like a perfectly natural transition to everybody there. Finn checks his watch and realizes how late it is, but Meadow - who isn't working because Tony pays for everything, remember - complains that it's like 3 whole hours before he has to go to work. He notes there is no point in going home to sleep as he'll have to leave almost as soon as he gets there, and ponders crashing in the trailer at work since Felicia has told him where to find the key. Meadow mocks his friendship with Felicia but there's clearly at least some degree of jealousy there, but she doesn't force the issue, just telling him to drive carefully and saying Alex will give her a lift home. Finn arrives at the site as dawn is breaking, pulling into a spot and noticing another car already parked there. He nods to the occupant, a security guard who seemed a moment earlier to be sleeping and having a REALLY good dream. The guard just stares in alarm at him... and then Vito's head emerges from above his crotch where he has been giving the guy a blowjob, his own eyes widening to see Finn looking back at him. Shocked, Finn quickly turns his head, gathers his things and walks as quickly as he can into the yard. Later that morning, Finn takes a piss and exits the portable toilet to find Vito looming over him. Backed up against the toilet, he struggles to maintain his composure as Vito pours on the intimidating pleasantness. How is he? Isn't he tired from working so hard and coming in so early? He looks Finn over, commenting on his strength, making him more and more uncomfortable as he insists "nicely" that Finn call him Vito. He pulls out two 3rd-baseline tickets to see the Padres play the Yankees tonight, TELLING Finn he'll be coming along. When Finn thanks him but tries to decline, Vito refuses to take no for an answer, getting angry for the first time and warning him not to pull any "aw shuck" poo poo and try not to come. Finn is only saved by Paulie's arrival to see Vito, and once left alone he races back into the portable toilet to try and keep from fainting or puking or both.   Back at he and Meadow's apartment, he strives his best to make her understand just how deeply terrified he is, but like with Eugene she isn't buying it. Why won't he go to the baseball game with Vito? He loves baseball! She accuses him of bias against "common folk" so he blurts out that he saw Vito giving the guard a blowjob, something she absolutely refuses to believe, naively declaring that Vito is married with children and therefore can't be gay! He certainly doesn't want to kill him, and she laughs at his half-joke that maybe Vito wants to gently caress AND kill him. But the laughter stops when she notices Finn's suitcase has been taken out of the closet, and betraying her own hosed up priorities she complains that he can't just give up his security job because she begged Tony to give it to him and he'll give her a ton of poo poo if Finn quits! Pissed off, he accuses her of trying to make this all about her, but she accuses him of just making up all the stuff about Eugene and Vito to cover up for his fear of commitment. He reminds her that they live together but she points out he got a suitcase, and something magical happens. This scene is one that I frequently hear get criticized, a lot of people hated it because both Meadow and Finn are utterly maddening and their argument is such absolute childish nonsense. But I love it, I love it so much. Because it's perfect, beautiful characterization of two young adults who desperately want to be mature and to communicate and to be in touch with their feelings and aware of their issues... but they're still basically inexperienced kids who are barely a couple steps above idiot teenagers. "You got out a suitcase!" "It's my process!" "There was no abundant intentionality in me getting out the suitcase" etc etc. It's highly charged emotional youths trying so, so, so hard to be mature and it's just stunning in its construction. Yes I can absolutely see why it is so infuriating to watch for so many people, but I can't hate it, it's just too well put together and executed. They accuse each other of being the immature one, of misreading each other, of not appreciating theme etc etc. Communication in a relationship is good, but they're not talking to each other, they're shouting past each other. Vito waits outside the stadium but there is sign of Finn. Giving up, he tears up Finn's ticket and heads inside for the start of the game. 4am in the morning and Finn and Meadow are STILL arguing, they have been for over 9 hours now. It's one of those long painful nights of the soul almost every couple has experienced at one point or another, where tiredness turns into irritation and every slip of the tongue is treated like the truthful reveal of some painful core belief. Meadow tries to cut to the heart of the matter as he rambles on about choices, demanding to know a simple question to a simple answer: are they going to stay together or not? "If you want" he returns immediately, enraging her because that is NOT what she asked. He reminds her he already told her he DID want to stay together earlier, but she complains he qualified it by questioning how he would make it through 4 years of dental school while she was going probably medical school. "It's a good question" he mumbles and she demands to know why ask it NOW? But he doesn't answer. Tearful, she leans closer to him waiting for a reply, waiting and wait and....  Outraged, she weeps that he was asleep and lied about it just like he lied about the briefcase, frustrating Finn further who just wants her to quit with the loving suitcase already! He insists again that she's made a huge deal out of what was simply him not wanting to return to the construction site, though now he admits that maybe it would be a good idea for him to go home till the Vito thing blows over. This upsets her further, because he didn't ask HER to come with him, and she flees into the bathroom to cry leaving him exhausted and miserable in the bedroom. The ratting air conditioner is driving him up the wall and he kicks it... and of course it immediately stops, making the oppressive heat come down even harder on him. Hauling himself off the bed, he stumbles over to the bathroom door listens to her crying, and asks her quietly to please stop. She emerges from the bathroom and joins him on the bed again, and demonstrating just how totally mature and not at all impulsive and shortsighted he is, he suggests maybe they should just... get married? Startled, she asks him why he is asking now, and he admits that he's too tired to give her an articulate reason, it's just something he feels very strongly about. Oh Finn. Day breaks and Carmela is picking up some groceries when she gets a call from her lawyer. She's been expecting a call, confused as to why she hasn't received a statement yet. Slightly nervously, he explains they've hit a snag, it seems that the forensic accountant he wanted to work on the case took a long time to respond to his messages and then finally called to decline the case. So he tried another one, who turned it down the moment he found out Tony Soprano was her husband. Feeling a grim suspicion, she asks the lawyer if he still wants to pursue her case and he starts up a bullshit excuse about how his partners reminded him he already had a full caseload and shouldn't have taken it on in the first... but she's already hung up, disgusted. She doesn't want to hear his bullshit, the real reason is obvious, they're all too scared of what Tony will do to them if they take the case. He may not have consulted with them, but he's poisoned the well against her effectively just by being himself. She smashes her groceries onto the floor, the only was she can vent her impotent rage. Tony meanwhile is wallowing in self pity as he attends another therapy session with Melfi, who notes how positive he'd been feeling recently. He woke up in the morning and depression just washing over him, but he aggressively denies it has anything to do with Carmela announcing she wanted a divorce. Reluctantly, grumpily he admits he had another panic attack, giving her a sanitized version of what caused the one on the golf course. Even more reluctantly, he admits it isn't the first one he's had recently. She chides him, saying she wishes he'd told her, and he snaps that he wishes she'd cured it, blaming her for not fixing the problem he wasn't telling her he was having. But she waits and finally he starts giving her details, though not before trying to blame her by saying the first came shortly after she rebuffed his advances (again). Remaining clinical she asks if he was thinking of her when he collapsed and he admits that it was actually afterwards, when he came home to find his cleaning lady crying on the phone because her cousin had died in a car crash in Mexico. The next time was when Tony B was visiting and he couldn't find tools he wanted to give him. Melfi picks up on the cousin connection, and Tony realizes that he was thinking of Blundetto at the golf course when he had his other collapse. He explains this to Melfi with "he hurt his foot" but when she's confused as to why he is so concerned and asks if he is danger of losing the foot, he snaps at her to forget the foot, mad that she doesn't magically understand the deeper meaning caused by things he absolutely refuses to tell her. Calming himself, he explains that he's worried because Blundetto is right out of jail and having to learn to survive, but when she just sits silently waiting for the real reason he finally explains that Blundetto went away for 17 years on a RICO charge, for a hijacking that Tony himself was supposed to take part in. She sees great significance in that and asks why he didn't take part, and he explains how he was jumped by a bunch of "melanzanes" (the last but original "Unidentified black males") who wanted his shoes, and he fought them off but got cut badly on the head and had to go to the emergency room. He goes into a rage, spitting out racial insults in disgust as Melfi tries to calm him down, agreeing that he obviously feels tremendous guilt that Blundetto went to prison and he didn't. Tony puts it another way, his cousin went to "Nam" while he was 4F, declaring that's the way that all "our friends" look at it, which says far more about Tony's mindset than theirs. He talks about how he did so well while his cousin lost his wife and daughter, and she agrees that the guilt is probably a major contributing cause of his anxiety attacks... but he could alleviate that by telling his cousin how he feels. Tony, who has told him before, agrees uncertainly this would be a good idea, and Melfi notices his shortness of breath, darting eyes and beads of sweat. Is he... is he having an anxiety attack right now, here in the room? He insists it is just gas and even tries to get out of the chair and walk away, but he can't even manage that and she carefully attempts to calm him, get him to focus on breathing. She lets him know she has a medical bag, wanting him to feel as safe as possible, and finally he blurts out what has truly been choking him all these years: he wasn't jumped by black guys, he had a panic attack. He didn't know what they were back then, but he had a fight with his mother (of course) over Carmela being late bringing yarn over so Livia could make booties for a 3-month-old Meadow. She was screaming and yelling at him that Carmela hated her and Tony got fed up trying to argue that Carmela was just a little overwhelmed because she had a 3-month-old baby to deal with. He tried to leave the house, had a panic attack, fell and hit his head and had to go get it stitched up. Tony B knows none of this, Tony could never tell him or anybody else so he has lied all these years rather than admit that he missed the job because he had a fight with his mother and fainted. This is the source of his years of guilt, and even the acknowledgement of this doesn't bring him any relief, because it makes him aware of what he considers another failure: Tony Soprano posted:Turns out I'm just a loving robot to my own pussy-rear end weakness. The unloading of all this pent up guilt and self-loathing has left him dazed, but Melfi thinks it is good that he has been able to get it off of his chest. Sweating, Tony stares at nothing and grunts that coming to therapy is like taking a big poo poo sometimes, and Melfi grins and says she prefers to think of it like childbirth. No, Tony assures her gruffly, she can trust him, it's like taking a poo poo.   Carmela returns home to her empty mansion, hers entirely by the grace of it being in her name for Tony's tax purposes. But even this isn't a haven, Tony's car is there and when she enters the kitchen she sees he is lounging in the pool to beat the heat. Revolted, she wanders upstairs to the bedroom when the phone rings. Answering, she's shocked to hear Meadow on the other end gleefully telling her that she's engaged. Finn is pressed up against the receiver, beaming ear to ear, their argument settled by a brash and over-dramatic gesture which only goes to prove just how immature they truly are despite their efforts to have an adult discussion. Carmela doesn't quite know what to say, but has enough self-awareness not to upset her daughter at such an important moment and goes through the motions, telling her that this is wonderful and she's so happy if a little surprised.... but he is going to finish dental school, right? Laughing, Meadow assures her they both intend to finish school before actually tying the knot, which gives Carmela some small measure of relief at least. Unable to take her eyes of Tony's intrusive, bear-like presence in the pool, she struggles to maintain her composure as she offers the traditional lines about wanting to meet Finn's parents and needing to throw an engagement party. When Meadow gushes that Finn is going to use his graduation money to buy her a ring, Carmela has to take a moment not to let grief stab through her. She must be remembering her own joy upon becoming engaged, of how sweet and caring and attentive Tony was at the time while what he became is right there before her eyes in the pool. Does that fate await her daughter or will she be spared? Why couldn't Carmela have kept that connection instead of living through this hell? Trapped in a limbo where she can't get divorced, can't even be rid of his presence in her house. "I'm going to cry," she tells her overjoyed daughter. Staring out the window at the revolting monster of a husband she now fears she will remain forever chained to, Carmela Soprano proves as good as her word and breaks down sobbing.  Season 5: Two Tonys | Rat Pack | Where's Johnny? | All Happy Families... | Irregular Around the Margins | Sentimental Education | In Camelot | Marco Polo | Unidentified Black Males | Cold Cuts | The Test Dream | Long Term Parking | All Due Respect Season 1 | Season 2 | Season 3 | Season 4 | Season 5 | Season 6.1 | Season 6.2 Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 14:57 on Apr 23, 2020 |
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The 180 Meadow does as the series progresses really shows how she represents the liberal conciousness. Her privileged upbringing and sheltered existence means suffering and poverty are only ever a passing observation and she will always side with the oppressors and exploiters in society to protect her position. Season 1: schooling AJ on how their father is really a criminal, confronting Tony about how he makes his money. Season 2-3: "Jackie was killed by drug dealers", then can't cope with the realization of Kelli Aprile's truth by acting out at the funeral dinner. Season 4-5: Has nearly fully accepted the Mafia are now some downtrodden proletariat class rather than a parasitic entity that feeds off and amplifies the suffering of ordinary people, "modes of conflict resolution", "You know what really turned me? Seeing the way Italians are treated." despite the fact that her father is a murderer and accessory to murder Season 6: Has now an established career path as a criminal lawyer, abandoned immigration law and helping those on the lowest rungs of the ladder, likely to be defending the very rich and very connected from ever facing consequences for their crimes.
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Nov 1, 2019 13:13
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Seen at Costco yesterday
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Nov 1, 2019 23:15
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codo27 posted:Seen at Costco yesterday What a terrible still to choose to get signed.
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Nov 2, 2019 05:45
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I love the suitcase scene. The series got some flak for not writing young people well but man whoever wrote that scene loving nailed how early twentysomethings act. I'd guess most of the hate for it is from the people who watched the show just for the mob hits and stuff. I forgot how long it was to get any progress to the gay Vito storyline. I dont think it's even mentioned again till s6. For a while it felt like the Russian in a "is this ever going to be mentioned again?" Kind of way.
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Nov 2, 2019 09:58
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I really dig when shows pull stuff like that, though obviously I can see why the actors especially would want to be able to mine the material for more screentime and a chance to stretch their acting legs. One thing I really appreciated was how Ray Curto spends basically the entire run of the show being a snitch and nobody EVER finds out (from memory), but he never changed the way he acted or talked around the mobsters just because we the audience now knew that he had been turned. And seriously, goddamn do I love the suitcase scene. IT'S MY PROCESS!
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Nov 2, 2019 10:15
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Jerusalem posted:. One thing I really appreciated was how Ray Curto spends basically the entire run of the show being a snitch and nobody EVER finds out (from memory) During Ray's funeral Rusty points to his casket and says 'Stand up guys like him are a dying breed.' I always liked how the show had all these ancillary characters in the background to create this mob hierarchy instead of extras that changed every season.
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Nov 2, 2019 12:12
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Bip Roberts posted:What a terrible still to choose to get signed. I feel like as far as the marketing of the show, none of the promotional stuff/merchandise really captured the soul of the show. I'm thinking specifically not of the Last Supper parody but there's another one with the entire cast where there's a serious Dogs Playing Poker vibe. Here's a show with so much complex stuff going on emotionally, with family, but what'll really get people to watch is selling it as the whacking hour.
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Nov 2, 2019 14:56
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banned from Starbucks posted:I forgot how long it was to get any progress to the gay Vito storyline. I dont think it's even mentioned again till s6. For a while it felt like the Russian in a "is this ever going to be mentioned again?" Kind of way. As I've found out, Vito's actor pushed really hard for the storyline (which, reputedly, did not endear him to the other cast members) so it might well have not been a thing again save for the odd reference, like Ray Curto being a snitch.
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Nov 2, 2019 15:12
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I'm of the belief that while music can stand on its own, film would lose a much larger element of its whole without music. Imagine Star Wars with none, or with some corny sci fi techno poo poo? The music is standing out so much to me this time around on my second rewatch. Living on a Thin Line will be in my head now for the next week or more after watching University last night. Went right on google music and bought it after the episode. Fuckin Ralphie. Amazed at how long his leash is, I dont remember when he bites it or even if. Though I must say it was obviously hard to watch, not so much as the stairwell scene. So glad the misses is starting a new job on Monday where we'll both be on the same hours now and thus more time for binging. Almost regret it in a way because all of a sudden there are actually things (coming) out that I want to watch. Mandalorian, the Irishman, the Witcher, go back and watch Goodfellas and the Godfather. Need to rewatch all the Star Wars movies before December 16th. Jeez where am I gonna get the time.
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Nov 2, 2019 16:14
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codo27 posted:I'm of the belief that while music can stand on its own, film would lose a much larger element of its whole without music. Imagine Star Wars with none, or with some corny sci fi techno poo poo? The music is standing out so much to me this time around on my second rewatch. Living on a Thin Line will be in my head now for the next week or more after watching University last night. Went right on google music and bought it after the episode. Are you okay?
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Nov 2, 2019 16:21
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codo27 posted:Fuckin Ralphie. Amazed at how long his leash is, I dont remember when he bites it or even if. Though I must say it was obviously hard to watch, not so much as the stairwell scene. So glad the misses is starting a new job on Monday where we'll both be on the same hours now and thus more time for binging. Almost regret it in a way because all of a sudden there are actually things (coming) out that I want to watch. Mandalorian, the Irishman, the Witcher, go back and watch Goodfellas and the Godfather. Need to rewatch all the Star Wars movies before December 16th. Jeez where am I gonna get the time. Remember Ralphie did the thing most important in the mob: make a lot of people a lot of money.
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Nov 2, 2019 16:42
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COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:I feel like as far as the marketing of the show, none of the promotional stuff/merchandise really captured the soul of the show. The Sopranos cookbook was pretty awesome. I bought it for my girlfriend one xmas or birthday. Seemed like a good marketing idea cause gently caress if watching this show didn't always make me hungry for italian food. I don't know how you really go about marketing a show like this though. You can't make a videogame out of it or really even a board game. So much of it was really about relationships and the way people lie and interact with each other and that's not really a sexy thing to advertise. What could you really sell with it? WIne? Pasta Sauce? Bada Bing t-shirts?
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Nov 2, 2019 20:24
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There was an official video game for PS2, as well as a licensed pinball machine that is apparently really rare
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Nov 2, 2019 20:29
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BiggerBoat posted:The Sopranos cookbook was pretty awesome. I bought it for my girlfriend one xmas or birthday. Seemed like a good marketing idea cause gently caress if watching this show didn't always make me hungry for italian food. How many pages are devoted to ziti?
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Nov 2, 2019 23:49
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BiggerBoat posted:I don't know how you really go about marketing a show like this though. You can't make a videogame out of it or really even a board game. So much of it was really about relationships and the way people lie and interact with each other and that's not really a sexy thing to advertise. What could you really sell with it? WIne? Pasta Sauce? Bada Bing t-shirts? They did sell Bada Bing shirts at one point. I think right around the time Ralphie got clipped and Tony wound up wearing one after he burned his clothes involved in the murder.
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Nov 2, 2019 23:53
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ruddiger posted:How many pages are devoted to ziti? Rigatoni a la Tony
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COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:There was an official video game for PS2, as well as a licensed pinball machine that is apparently really rare Holy poo poo. I had no idea. The cast even did the voice acting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sopranos:_Road_to_Respect This sounds terrible There was an article written about it 2 months ago https://www.esquire.com/uk/latest-news/a25831403/sopranos-road-to-respect-video-game/ David Chase posted:“I certainly never wanted to sell the game on the show or do any cross-pollination," he told MTV at the time. "What I didn't want to have happen was that the game and the show bleed together […] It's certainly not going to teach them anything about The Sopranos” quote:The game was universally panned by critics as a lazy, clunky, overly-linear cash-in that lacked any of The Sopranos poignance, humour or charm. At least part of that is down to Chase, who couldn't see any feasible way to transport the emotional depth of the show to a console. Time to go find some Youtubes of this thing
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Nov 3, 2019 00:19
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COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:There was an official video game for PS2, as well as a licensed pinball machine that is apparently really rare Holy poo poo. I had no idea. The cast even did the voice acting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sopranos:_Road_to_Respect This sounds terrible There was an article written about it 2 months ago https://www.esquire.com/uk/latest-news/a25831403/sopranos-road-to-respect-video-game/ David Chase posted:“I certainly never wanted to sell the game on the show or do any cross-pollination," he told MTV at the time. "What I didn't want to have happen was that the game and the show bleed together […] It's certainly not going to teach them anything about The Sopranos” quote:The game was universally panned by critics as a lazy, clunky, overly-linear cash-in that lacked any of The Sopranos poignance, humour or charm. At least part of that is down to Chase, who couldn't see any feasible way to transport the emotional depth of the show to a console. Time to go find some Youtubes of this thing EDIT Holy poo poo this is hilarious and god awful https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsX0tYy_hJ0 They tried to make a GTA game out of the show and the protagonist is Big Pussy's son. Thanks for the info, COMPAGNIE TOMMY. I'm cringing watching this. Vito orders a sandwich with "just meat and a pickle". Jesus Christ BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 00:32 on Nov 3, 2019 |
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BiggerBoat posted:Holy poo poo. I had no idea. The cast even did the voice acting. Yeah, as I remember the voice acting is really bad. One of those cases where just because you have a good actor doesn't mean you have a good voice actor.
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im just getting to s5, first time watching. i feel like artys anger during the wine investment was unfair. like tony is a scorpion, but i dont think it was guaranteed that itd fail. wish dr. melfi loved tony but her resistance to him probs makes it more desirable to me. also im glad tony is evil. i didnt finish breaking bad, but all i could think was "i need this guy to commit to being a dick and do it well." this show makes me really want Italian food all the time, was the cookbook good?
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Nov 3, 2019 00:51
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They hosed up by not making it an N64 racing game that you play one handed like Tony.
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Nov 3, 2019 02:58
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ruddiger posted:They hosed up by not making it an N64 racing game that you play one handed like Tony. a game where you raced either a suburban or seville around north jersey with all the landmarks from the intro rendered crusin' USA quality would have owned
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Nov 3, 2019 03:41
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You guys should check out minime's video on the sopranos game. He goes through the whole thing and it's fascinating to see where they actually sort of tried. https://youtu.be/p0BXKDc1st0
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ruddiger posted:They hosed up by not making it an N64 racing game that you play one handed like Tony. " My idea is Super Mario meets "Godfather 2. Proven track record both genres. Young plumber gets betrayed by his people. They whack him. Leave his body parts in dumpsters all around the city. Long story short, he is put back together by science, or maybe a magical mushroom. And he gets loving payback on everyone who hosed him over, including the oval office princess he was engaged to. She was getting porked by Bowser in another castle the night the hero was killed. We'll have a meeting tomorrow and hear what you've fleshed out before we go to script. "
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banned from Starbucks posted:" My idea is Super Mario meets "Godfather 2. Proven track record both genres. Young plumber gets betrayed by his people. They whack him. Leave his body parts in dumpsters all around the city. Long story short, he is put back together by science, or maybe a magical mushroom. And he gets loving payback on everyone who hosed him over, including the oval office princess he was engaged to. She was getting porked by Bowser in another castle the night the hero was killed. We'll have a meeting tomorrow and hear what you've fleshed out before we go to script. "  I really did not enjoy the Cleaver storyline at all.
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Nov 3, 2019 16:28
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It's one of those things that I always forget existed. The whole thing just didn't seem to fit with the rest of the show even though it had been building up to it for several seasons. Just really weird how the whole thing felt.
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Nov 3, 2019 18:45
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It did give us the thing with Sir Ben Kingsley.
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Nov 3, 2019 19:10
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Dawgstar posted:It did give us the thing with Sir Ben Kingsley. "gently caress Ben Kingsley! Danny Baldwin took him to loving acting school!"
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Nov 3, 2019 20:03
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Doesn’t Cleaver end on a fade to black too? I need to see the full version of that movie.
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banned from Starbucks posted:" My idea is Super Mario meets "Godfather 2. Proven track record both genres. Young plumber gets betrayed by his people. They whack him. Leave his body parts in dumpsters all around the city. Long story short, he is put back together by science, or maybe a magical mushroom. And he gets loving payback on everyone who hosed him over, including the oval office princess he was engaged to. She was getting porked by Bowser in another castle the night the hero was killed. We'll have a meeting tomorrow and hear what you've fleshed out before we go to script. " "It's about a plumber with a big mouth and bigger dreams." "Anyway, they call him Super Mario..." "No they don't." "Why the gently caress not?" "Need I remind you of a certain Super Mario out of Pittsburgh?" Paul Revere 3000 fucked around with this message at 21:03 on Nov 3, 2019 |
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banned from Starbucks posted:"gently caress Ben Kingsley! Danny Baldwin took him to loving acting school!" What's funny is Kingsley was in BloodRayne. In real-life, he'd have taken the part in Cleaver.
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