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Every wrestler is a novelty. Like, Kenny Omega when you get down to it is the video games v-trigger guy. Okada is the short pants rainmaker guy. Everyone in wrestling is some version of the I didn't do it kid.
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TelevisedInsanity posted:https://www.sescoops.com/nwa-releases-statement-regarding-jim-cornettes-controversial-comments/amp/ He got a bunch of attention, kept his job, has enough money that he doesn't even have to worry about keeping his job, and probably got a bunch of people to join his "Cornette Cult" or whatever. Dude learned long ago how to piss people off enough to get himself noticed The only way you are ever gonna beat him is to ignore him because getting mad and writing tweets and emails to his boss is literally what he wants
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Gumball Gumption posted:Every wrestler is a novelty. Like, Kenny Omega when you get down to it is the video games v-trigger guy. Okada is the short pants rainmaker guy. Everyone in wrestling is some version of the I didn't do it kid. That’s literally what a gimmick is. It’s something to make you stand out. I don’t know why Cassidy gets poo poo about it since I’d say he’s one of the more plausible comedy wrestlers out there anyway. His story he tells is that he frustrates his opponents for not taking them seriously and there’s a point where they get so frustrated they make a mistake and he takes advantage with a complicated pin. It’s an easy to understand that Cassidy delivers well every single time. He’s also very good at changing it up when he needs to.
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Accidental double post.
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he keeps getting mad at people in AEW being billed at their shoot weights. maybe if they introduce marko stunt as being 6 feet 220 pounds he'll be okay with him
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bebaloorpabopalo posted:he keeps getting mad at people in AEW being billed at their shoot weights. maybe if they introduce marko stunt as being 6 feet 220 pounds he'll be okay with him clearly this is the better alternative https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2Td2CTuiVY e: actually this just reminds me that the reason Kevin Nash got in to wrestling was going to wrestling shows and hearing guys being billed at like, 7' when he could see the tops of their heads so he decided poo poo if these guys can get booked as giants I could clean up in this biz Alaois fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Nov 2, 2019 |
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bebaloorpabopalo posted:he keeps getting mad at people in AEW being billed at their shoot weights. maybe if they introduce marko stunt as being 6 feet 220 pounds he'll be okay with him Jim is the kind of guy who would refuse to watch Floyd Mayweather or Conor MacGregor fight, not because they're poo poo human beings, but because they're not heavyweights.
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Nov 2, 2019 19:48
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Gang, I'm starting to think Jim Cornette is a bit of a jerkoff.
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LividLiquid posted:Jim Cornette made Batista a literal sea monster. WWE didn't force him to do that. He just did that. Technically, Batista came from the Ohio River.
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double post What's up with the forums? Davros1 fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Nov 2, 2019 |
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i dislike cornette but leviathan was pretty cool, and a good use of batista's extremely limited talents at that time people forget how terrible he was at everything for a while
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Low Desert Punk posted:i dislike cornette but leviathan was pretty cool, and a good use of batista's extremely limited talents at that time He doesn't say things to rile people up. He believes every single word he says. Cognitive dissonance is absolutely his deal.
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Jim Cornette is the kind of selfish motherfucker that it’s ok if he fucks up but it’s the death of the empire if you do. gently caress that. That’s a child’s mentality. He’s cashed in his credibility as a wrestling historian for radio shock jock stuff but not the shock jock money. Even Bubba the Love Sponge, a guy who can’t even tie his own shoes, is wealthier than him. I’m pretty sure Deray or some other woke merchant tweeted out a clip of Cornette with the quote of “whiteness at work”. If they haven’t it’s absolutely an apt generalization of Cornette. Tldr: mediocre poo poo child Jim Cornette. coconono fucked around with this message at 21:27 on Nov 2, 2019 |
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Nov 2, 2019 21:20
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what if his name is cornette because he's a sexualized corn on the cob wearing a crown
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coconono posted:Jim Cornette is the kind of selfish motherfucker that it’s ok if he fucks up but it’s the death of the empire if you do. gently caress that. That’s a child’s mentality. It does disappoint me that he lost his legacy as voice of old school to become "man yells at cloud" but it certainly kept him more relevant than any time he has been in a decade.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:It does disappoint me that he lost his legacy as voice of old school to become "man yells at cloud" but it certainly kept him more relevant than any time he has been in a decade. He’s the voice of America’s ‘civilized’ horrid goblin tribes.
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I have a friend who takes Cornette seriously but he also likes Jordan Peterson and Joe Rogan so hey at least it's on brand
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I don't know how I managed this but I managed to repost something that I initially posted hours ago; sorry!
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IceAgeComing posted:I don't know how I managed this but I managed to repost something that I initially posted hours ago; sorry! the forums are currently melting down
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i should clarify what i think i meant by novelty. a gimmick that doesn't take itself seriously, or "winks at the audience" as cornette says would be a novelty. i think a man who thinks he is a rooster is a dumb gimmick all around, for instance, but i like it better when it is done in earnest. i don't like orange cassidy because his gimmick is basically anti-wrestling. also it took me like 15 minutes to figure out zombieman is the undertaker. that's kind of a weird case because if i was an adult when he started with that gimmick i don't know if i would have liked it, but since it has been around since i was a kid it makes it different. honestly i'm not even a huge fan but i mean it's the undertaker. maybe i'd like it better if everyone's gimmick was that they drive a trans am, get sleazy women, and wrestle to squander up enough money to buy a bigger trailer
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Mulaney Power Move posted:i should clarify what i think i meant by novelty. a gimmick that doesn't take itself seriously, or "winks at the audience" as cornette says would be a novelty. i think a man who thinks he is a rooster is a dumb gimmick all around, for instance, but i like it better when it is done in earnest. i don't like orange cassidy because his gimmick is basically anti-wrestling. orange cassidy is pretty fuckin earnest considering how dedicated he is to wearing sunglasses at all times there IS charm in people who fully embrace the dumbest gimmick imaginable (lol tugboat) but it's not because of the gimmick itself
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Mulaney Power Move posted:i should clarify what i think i meant by novelty. a gimmick that doesn't take itself seriously, or "winks at the audience" as cornette says would be a novelty. i think a man who thinks he is a rooster is a dumb gimmick all around, for instance, but i like it better when it is done in earnest. i don't like orange cassidy because his gimmick is basically anti-wrestling. In fairness, Undertaker hasn't used the "actual deadman" gimmick in a long time - at some point it just turned into Octagon Gothdad but with occasional lightning bolts. But yeah, there's a specific kind of indy comedy and indy comedy gimmick that essentially requires you to have watched wrestling for a couple of decades in order to get the joke, and because you guys are all smart to the business, we're going to do all of the matches standing on our heads tonight. I think at one point CHIKARA had a character who was a time-traveler, and he'd feud with the evil future version of himself. Or PWG had a recurring match which would end every year with someone putting their thumb up another wrestler's rear end, which then led to the gimmick of Jushin Liger showing up and everyone in the match trying to stop a legend from being involved in their Cornette-bait. Is that killing the business? No, that genie is already out of the bottle, and that sort of stuff is targeted at exactly the people who go to see CHIKARA or PWG and want to have fun doing so. And if I was wrestling, I'd rather get over doing the floss dance than taking stupid bumps in front of 50 people. But I'd absolutely agree that you can't do it on a "proper" show if you have an intention to attract a new audience and create mainstream stars. You can't have your product essentially be a parody of itself.
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FullLeatherJacket posted:In fairness, Undertaker hasn't used the "actual deadman" gimmick in a long time - at some point it just turned into Octagon Gothdad but with occasional lightning bolts. It’s a good thing Cassidy consistently gets massive pops in every town they go.
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Cassidy legit is the easiest gimmick of all time to understand. He’s apathetic and wants to end the match as quick as possible because he’s too cool to care.
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And here's the thing: His gimmick only 'exposes the business' if the other guy sells the lazy kicks. Which hasn't been happening in AEW. Guys only sell when he does real moves. So the gimmick in AEW is 'OC mocks the heels by doing fake strikes, heel gets mad, OC then does a dropkick or dive and the heel looks like a fool for getting mad and giving him an opening'.
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I like listening to Cornette's wrestling history stuff and whenever he used to have Kenny Bolin on his show. Beyond that, though, I learned a long time ago to tune him out when it comes to virtually any other subject.
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Gaz-L posted:And here's the thing: His gimmick only 'exposes the business' if the other guy sells the lazy kicks. Which hasn't been happening in AEW. Guys only sell when he does real moves. So the gimmick in AEW is 'OC mocks the heels by doing fake strikes, heel gets mad, OC then does a dropkick or dive and the heel looks like a fool for getting mad and giving him an opening'. And I think that's fine. There's plenty they can do with him as an ancillary character who comes in and does a spot, but what they can't do is have him wrestle actual matches with his hands in his pockets (unless he's going to do his one spot and then lose). I'm sure you'd get a pop from an AEW crowd having him be a full-time wrestler, but it also makes it a send-up of what you're trying to sell and removes all suspension of disbelief, which is what you're going to need if you want to attract people who don't watch wrestling to get emotionally invested in something like Cody vs Jericho.
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FullLeatherJacket posted:And I think that's fine. There's plenty they can do with him as an ancillary character who comes in and does a spot, but what they can't do is have him wrestle actual matches with his hands in his pockets (unless he's going to do his one spot and then lose). have you ever actually seen him wrestle a full match as orange cassidy
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I'm not even sure he's seen a single comedy wrestler. Not Santino Marella, not Colt Cabana, not Toru Yano or Rysuke Taguchi or Kikutaro.
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Gaz-L posted:I'm not even sure he's seen a single comedy wrestler. Not Santino Marella, not Colt Cabana, not Toru Yano or Rysuke Taguchi or Kikutaro. Of course you can do comedy in wrestling. Catweazle was doing comedy matches back in the 70s. Grado was the most over guy in the country coming out with a fanny pack to Like A Prayer. That's not new at all. But the comedy you do needs to be in the context of the show, and not just a guy yelling "freeze frame" and going to get a hot dog while the other wrestlers stand still. There's a threshold of believability beyond which you're just being wacky for the sake of it, which is a niche product that goes nowhere and takes away from what you're trying to do in terms of having people care about your characters. The point is that they need to keep him on the right side of that line.
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FullLeatherJacket posted:Of course you can do comedy in wrestling. Catweazle was doing comedy matches back in the 70s. Grado was the most over guy in the country coming out with a fanny pack to Like A Prayer. That's not new at all. Alaois posted:have you ever actually seen him wrestle a full match as orange cassidy
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FullLeatherJacket posted:
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FullLeatherJacket posted:Of course you can do comedy in wrestling. Catweazle was doing comedy matches back in the 70s. Grado was the most over guy in the country coming out with a fanny pack to Like A Prayer. That's not new at all. Gaz-L posted:I'm not even sure he's seen a single comedy wrestler. Not Santino Marella, not Colt Cabana, not Toru Yano or Rysuke Taguchi or Kikutaro.
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That is an apples and oranges comparison though (hoho), since Cassidy's gimmick isn't like, altering the fabric of wrestling reality to do what he does. Not even in the sense of everyone magically being weak to Joey Ryan's dick. He just goes about matches in the laziest fashion possible, in spite of actually being *super* talented when he starts giving a poo poo. That's a really good character.
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It's way closer to Rysuke Taguichi wiggling his butt at people and pretending to be a rugby coach right up until he has a big match and then just tears poo poo up than to the Osirian Portal hypnotising a whole locker room.
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