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Paul Zuvella posted:You basically cannot ban anything other than just oko because everything is so hilariously warped around him that we basically have no idea what standard even looks like without him Dance Manse Revolution is one of the most fun decks I've played and I hope it ends up doing better once Oko is gone.
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Dpulex posted:But guys overpowered planeswalkers ruining the meta isnt the problem that one planeswalker stan said so there's an extremely wide spectrum between thinking oko is too much and thinking that literally every planeswalker should get banned which was what that entire conversation was in response to, lol
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Nov 5, 2019 17:36
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I wonder if Once Upon a Time eats a ban, since Wizards doesn't seem to like cards that make decks too consistent (see: Ponder, Preordain, Oath of Nissa) I don't think there's any green deck that doesn't use OUaT
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axeil posted:Dance Manse Revolution is one of the most fun decks I've played and I hope it ends up doing better once Oko is gone.
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Nov 5, 2019 17:44
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flatluigi posted:there's an extremely wide spectrum between thinking oko is too much and thinking that literally every planeswalker should get banned which was what that entire conversation was in response to, lol Banning every planeswalker is a great decision. That would take us back to scourge, the best magic set.
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Nov 5, 2019 17:45
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Nissa wasn't OP before rotation and she's not tearing a swath of destruction through eternal formats like Oko is so I'd hold off on banning her just yet.Dpulex posted:But guys overpowered planeswalkers ruining the meta isnt the problem that one planeswalker stan said so Legendary Planeswalkers - Stan axeil posted:Dance Manse Revolution is one of the most fun decks I've played and I hope it ends up doing better once Oko is gone. Troll King owns the poo poo out of Dance and guess what, it's green! Do does Ashiok and they're black (and blue). GB Adventure is both those colours...
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Nov 5, 2019 17:49
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Edit: forums love to double post
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Nov 5, 2019 17:52
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Ah yes, the dragon themed set that was only upstaged in the lacking dragons department by Dragon's Maze. Good choice. Though I guess technically in the lore dragons were wiped out by Niv and vampires were Dimir but it's not like marketing gives a gently caress. Paul Zuvella posted:They are going to ban oko on the 18th.
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Nov 5, 2019 17:54
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seizure later posted:I'd like to imagine a scenario where they don't ban Oko, just to see what happens as a community reaction If you want to see that just look at every single reaction to everything WotC has ever done
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Eej posted:Troll King owns the poo poo out of Dance and guess what, it's green! Is there something I'm missing here? I mean he seems fine but why specifically?
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Nov 5, 2019 17:56
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Paul Zuvella posted:You basically cannot ban anything other than just oko because everything is so hilariously warped around him that we basically have no idea what standard even looks like without him That's what they said when they banned Field too. I do think it's more justifiable to hold to just one card this time though, since I don't think any of the other potential problem cards are as bad as Oko.
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Nov 5, 2019 17:57
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Apparently Oko was banned in brawl. The great de-elking begins...
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Nov 5, 2019 18:03
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Spiderdrake posted:Apparently Oko was banned in brawl. Yep. https://twitter.com/MTG_Arena/status/1191764883790061568
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Nov 5, 2019 18:11
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Eej posted:Legendary Planeswalkers - Stan Stanley or Stanford, this is important
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Nov 5, 2019 18:15
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Oko confirmed too good for standard.... commander
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Nov 5, 2019 18:16
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what a weird situation. They don't give a reason but everyone knows it's because he's just overpowered and theres nothing else to it.
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Nov 5, 2019 18:22
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Spiderdrake posted:Why is troll king good against dance? He's not that bad, also I've never run into anyone playing him. He's a more expensive version of Cauldron Familiar. Cauldron Familiar is super dangerous to Dance decks because they can sack the same Cat multiple times in response to the Doom Foretold triggers. I won't play a Doom Foretold with cat/oven in play unless I'm certain I can exile the cat. Luckily for me, half the players on ladder are too dumb to know they can! No Wave posted:what a weird situation. They don't give a reason but everyone knows it's because he's just overpowered and theres nothing else to it. They don't want to commit to paper that they're so stupid they allowed a commander that can permanently erase the abilities of all creature-based commanders. Zero VGS fucked around with this message at 18:31 on Nov 5, 2019 |
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Nov 5, 2019 18:28
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Every time Oko gets banned from a format I feel a thousand Spike players furrow their brows in anger
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Nov 5, 2019 18:29
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Seeing planeswalkers eat bans is all I want for christmas.
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Nov 5, 2019 18:32
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Would Wicked Wolf still be playable without Oko making GBS threads out food for it every turn? I know Goose is still a thing, but at least it costs 2 mana to do it.
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Nov 5, 2019 18:35
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Doltos posted:Every time Oko gets banned from a format I feel a thousand Spike players furrow their brows in anger I would say "gently caress Spikes and gently caress Spike cards", but Meddling Mage is a Spike card and would have prevented a lot of bullshit if it were in standard.
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GrandpaPants posted:Would Wicked Wolf still be playable without Oko making GBS threads out food for it every turn? I know Goose is still a thing, but at least it costs 2 mana to do it. I play 3 WWs in my Jund aristocrats deck. I also run 4 Ovens, 4 Kitties, 3 Feasting Troll Kings and 4 Geese so
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Nov 5, 2019 18:38
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Dpulex posted:Seeing planeswalkers eat bans is all I want for christmas. I honestly didn't realize until this second that complaining about planeswalkers is literally all you do in this thread what a weird gimmick
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Nov 5, 2019 18:50
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Spiderdrake posted:Why is troll king good against dance? If you ramp into him he provides the food required to bring him back. If you used dorks to ramp you can sac those to Doom. He's played before you can Dance and he's got huge stats and trample. If you sacrifice on your turn you can bring him back and play another creature on your turn to maintain your board. If he gets discarded and you have food etc. God forbid you play two Troll Kings too or staple him to another food engine.
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Nov 5, 2019 18:53
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flatluigi posted:I honestly didn't realize until this second that complaining about planeswalkers is literally all you do in this thread Unless he is Nicol Bolas...
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Nov 5, 2019 18:54
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I guess you could say the banlist is so pleased to meet him. 
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Nov 5, 2019 18:55
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Zero VGS posted:I would say "gently caress Spikes and gently caress Spike cards", but Meddling Mage is a Spike card and would have prevented a lot of bullshit if it were in standard. Any card has a potential to be a spike card what makes a spike card a spike card is when everyone in the world runs it unabashedly knowing that it's not fun to play against or easy at all. Essentially free win hunters. There will always be spike cards no matter what you ban, and some cards you love will eventually become spikes.
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Nov 5, 2019 18:57
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Also Oko is pretty unpopular with every single tournament grinder I know so its not even like spikes love the card they just are resigned to having to use him
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Nov 5, 2019 19:17
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Ok now do standard
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Nov 5, 2019 19:19
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I think just Oko being banned would be fine. I can't really think of a non-Oko deck that would end up dominating the format if he were gone, whereas right before Field got banned EVERYONE predicted where we'd be right now with Oko.
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Nov 5, 2019 19:20
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Paul Zuvella posted:Also Oko is pretty unpopular with every single tournament grinder I know so its not even like spikes love the card they just are resigned to having to use him Yeah even top players are basically like 'I hate this but also I want to win'
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Nov 5, 2019 19:25
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At least now Brawl will be fun for approximately 24 hours
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Nov 5, 2019 19:37
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No Wave posted:what a weird situation. They don't give a reason but everyone knows it's because he's just overpowered and theres nothing else to it.
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CapnAndy posted:It's because Brawl is Arena-only so they can just ban the fucker now instead of having to wait to coordinate with the paper guys on the 18th for Standard. Brawl is not arena only. It’s a real paper format and is in Modo as well
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Nov 5, 2019 19:59
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Oko was fun to play with at first but I'm so over it now.
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Kashuno posted:Yeah even top players are basically like 'I hate this but also I want to win' I just can never understand that mentality in card games. In any other sport or game I'm 100% about winning. IDC what happens as long as we win. But with card games I just can't see the point. I love building decks and testing cards, seeing what works and trying to see if I can get bad cards to look good for a bit. The second I start winning too much with a deck is the second I switch off of it. It just seems like a miserable existence having to copy decks to run them against other decks everyone else is running.
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Doltos posted:I just can never understand that mentality in card games. In any other sport or game I'm 100% about winning. IDC what happens as long as we win. But with card games I just can't see the point. I love building decks and testing cards, seeing what works and trying to see if I can get bad cards to look good for a bit. The second I start winning too much with a deck is the second I switch off of it. It just seems like a miserable existence having to copy decks to run them against other decks everyone else is running. Top players are trying to make money, not just have fun
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GrandpaPants posted:Would Wicked Wolf still be playable without Oko making GBS threads out food for it every turn? I know Goose is still a thing, but at least it costs 2 mana to do it. I think it would still be pretty good. There are a lot of food archetype cards that are on the cusp of being good but they aren't being played because Oko is good against every deck. I want to play a deck with Savvy Huntsman, Trail of Crumbs, Wicked Wolf, Goose. Maybe throw in the Oven and the Cat. Maybe the Feasting Troll. Korvold for some spice. There was a Jund Food deck that made the top 16 of the Arena MCQ I believe.
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Doltos posted:I just can never understand that mentality in card games. In any other sport or game I'm 100% about winning. IDC what happens as long as we win. But with card games I just can't see the point. I love building decks and testing cards, seeing what works and trying to see if I can get bad cards to look good for a bit. The second I start winning too much with a deck is the second I switch off of it. It just seems like a miserable existence having to copy decks to run them against other decks everyone else is running. you can't understand the mentality of people that can make tens of thousands of dollars playing a deck they don't like??
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Paul Zuvella posted:Brawl is not arena only. It’s a real paper format and is in Modo as well
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