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Should Gaj make his own thread
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Yes, make a new thread 6 54.55%
No, keep things just how they are 5 45.45%
Total: 11 votes
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Coolguye
Jul 6, 2011

Required by his programming!

ProperGanderPusher posted:

For what it’s worth, I don’t think that was a full time job, especially if it was some rinky dink corner theater where he was the only projector dude. He probably only worked evenings and maybe the occasional matinee showing.

Still, that’s amazing pay for a quasi-skilled job at best.

e: Apparently projector work back in the day was trickier and more complicated than I thought. TIL.

if it was part time it's even a worse look for him really. a 30$/hr job that is part time? literally does not exist now outside of some side programming gig or something.

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C.M. Kruger
Oct 28, 2013

Coolguye posted:

if it was part time it's even a worse look for him really. a 30$/hr job that is part time? literally does not exist now outside of some side programming gig or something.

CIA/NSA analyst moonlighting at Booz Allen Hamilton on the weekends.

Lt Dan Ice Cream
Jul 29, 2006

Lipstick Apathy

Coolguye posted:

if it was part time it's even a worse look for him really. a 30$/hr job that is part time? literally does not exist now outside of some side programming gig or something.

I'm not buying for a second that a young teenager Mike Rowe was making 15 dollars an hour in the 70's running projectors or making popcorn or doing anything in a movie theater. Mike Rowe is a liar.

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

A reminder for the new page:



Mike Rowe is an absolute piece of poo poo.

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Coolguye posted:

if it was part time it's even a worse look for him really. a 30$/hr job that is part time? literally does not exist now outside of some side programming gig or something.

there's quite a lot of semiskilled jobs that don't hire full time

SwitchbladeKult
Apr 4, 2012



"The warmth of life has entered my tomb!"
Mike Rowe did a Ted Talk a few years back telling kids that trying to get their dream job was immoral. gently caress him so hard.

Bonzo
Mar 11, 2004

Just like Mama used to make it!
Red Green (Steve Smith) is a Boomer but he's :canada: and I will not hear ill of him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxJpjCWnyV0

Bonzo
Mar 11, 2004

Just like Mama used to make it!
Mods we need this to autoplay in the background of this thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceu9STZmlr4

Wutang-Yutani CORP
Sep 25, 2005

CORPORATIONS
RULE
EVERYTHING
AROUND
ME

If you really want to learn about how Mike Rowe is a piece of poo poo I suggest listening to this:

https://soundcloud.com/citationsneeded/episode-64-mike-rowes-koch-backed-working-man-affectation

Kilbas
Feb 1, 2011

I really need to stop reading this thread. Justified or not I'm starting to get that 'Fox News Brain' thing where I'm just filled to the absolute god drat brim with vindictive anger effectively 24/7. Not that there's anywhere to run to when we're all just as likely to run into this sort of behavior in our jobs/personal lives/restaurant outings.

Here's some 'content': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFJXHsI7xGM

Coolguye
Jul 6, 2011

Required by his programming!

lunch in a crate posted:

I'm not buying for a second that a young teenager Mike Rowe was making 15 dollars an hour in the 70's running projectors or making popcorn or doing anything in a movie theater. Mike Rowe is a liar.

apparently it was 10, not 15, which i do rather believe. part of the thing to remember is that the boomers came of age in a world where labor was very expensive because much of the world at large (japan and china at least suffered just as bad as germany and england) had lost an entire generation of men in world war 2 and various projects to bury the scars of the war were in full swing - even in a place that didn't suffer an invasion like the USA.

when you fast forward 40 years and have had a few cycles of generational replenishment during a period of history that is literally called The Long Peace (and, as such, there's no global murder campaigns giving us the same opportunities as boomers), we should not be surprised that the relative price of labor has fallen and skillsets must get much more refined (and, therefore, specific) to keep up the same demand.

and, you know, most folks aren't. boomers, however...

A Wizard of Goatse posted:

there's quite a lot of semiskilled jobs that don't hire full time
this is an honest, guileless question even though i know it is going to come across as snide in text: which ones? i deal with the problem of people wanting work that's better than poverty wages all the time and the semiskilled and trade school jobs that i try to sluice them toward frequently require a time and education investment they can't handle, so if you have an insight i am very much listening.

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

I spent a lot of my 20s doing part-time Wordpress development work and my fiance is still doing PT architectural restoration, consolidating marble on historic buildings and burning all the crap off of them with a 500W laser. It's not a path I'd uh funnel people towards - she's got a master's degree in her field and I was the cheapo offbrand replacement for a real FT programmer for organizations who hadn't figured out outsourcing yet, it's what happens when people in a specialist niche that'd have been a really cushy skilled gig twenty years ago get stuck in a crappy underpaid one instead. But there's kinda a lot of that going around. Try a temp agency I guess

If you read his projectionist job as roughly equivalent to a heavy machine operator (like a guy who drives a backhoe), yeah that's not too far out of line with what he'd be making today.

A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 01:51 on Nov 6, 2019

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

He presents it as both an entryway into the film industry and as a justifying example of why a $10 minimum wage ($10!) is too much for "entry level jobs."

Sewer cosplayer can get hosed with silver nitrate.

Bucky Fullminster
Apr 13, 2007

If anyone cares about the names of generations and their cut-off dates, you might enjoy this:

Generations & their Names

The main problem is that "Millennials" supposedly includes people born from 1983, to the early 2000s. But a "generation" is meant to mean people born about the same time, who grew up with a shared experience. The mid 80s and early 2000s are emphatically neither “the same time” nor “a shared experience”. So using the term doesn't make sense.

I like the nice clean decadal lines, and the logical sequence of the titles.

Interested in your thoughts.

Thesaurus
Oct 3, 2004


Kilbas posted:

I really need to stop reading this thread. Justified or not I'm starting to get that 'Fox News Brain' thing where I'm just filled to the absolute god drat brim with vindictive anger effectively 24/7. Not that there's anywhere to run to when we're all just as likely to run into this sort of behavior in our jobs/personal lives/restaurant outings.

I feel like I'm gonna explode here!

Barudak
May 7, 2007

Generations are a marketing concept, so my opinion is its best to not think of them as strictly age but rather a handy label for a set of behaviors and attitudes that have a link with age groups. Could a 30 year old be a boomer? You bet.

Actual marketing work doesnt use generations for anything except buzzwords on slides to leadership.

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

Trying to make it about decade assumes that historically significant events-- the very events that define generational attitudes--are somehow always neat and clean on a year that ends in 0.

Boomers started entirely because of the end of WWII. You know that war that ended in 1945. That year right at the end of the decade. 1945.

epsilon
Oct 31, 2001


check out this dipshit:

quote:

DEAR AMY: I have two granddaughters who have outgrown the expensive toys I bought for them when they were young and I was financially comfortable.

Fast-forward 12 years, and the girls are teens. My daughter is divorced and strapped for cash. I am retired and on a reduced income.

Although she never mentioned it to me, I saw that my daughter has placed their toys for sale on a local website. It irks me to see a $100 toy chest (which I bought for them) being sold now for $25 (along with other items).

She doesn’t offer me any of the proceeds, even though she knows I can use the money. Am I wrong to feel perturbed about this?


Bolding mine. Wow.

Framboise
Sep 21, 2014

To make yourself feel better, you make it so you'll never give in to your forevers and live for always.


Lipstick Apathy

Bucky Fullminster posted:

If anyone cares about the names of generations and their cut-off dates, you might enjoy this:

Generations & their Names

The main problem is that "Millennials" supposedly includes people born from 1983, to the early 2000s. But a "generation" is meant to mean people born about the same time, who grew up with a shared experience. The mid 80s and early 2000s are emphatically neither “the same time” nor “a shared experience”. So using the term doesn't make sense.

I like the nice clean decadal lines, and the logical sequence of the titles.

Interested in your thoughts.

Splitting up Gen Y and putting Gen Z between them and Millennials while completely scrambling the ages up is kinda :psypop:

I feel like "Millennials" being from mid-80s to mid-90s is about right, because we're the kids who came of age during the new millennium and were kinda piledrove by the changes 9/11 brought and the technological explosion during our formative years. Gen Z isn't old enough to remember that stuff, but it was pretty jarring for me (born 1990). I remember like, playing outside all the time and riding my bike all over town and running errands for my mom and such, and then coming inside and playing Nintendo. The internet becoming commonplace was just starting to happen. Then 9/11 happens, everyone becomes more tense and uptight and suddenly we just stay inside all the time and just exist on the internet all the time, and then social media came right after that. It's such a big paradigm change. Gen Z kids have had high-speed internet beamed into their skulls pretty much from the very start.

But yeah, the label is more a state of being than a specific age range. There's Boomers of all ages.

Framboise fucked around with this message at 03:00 on Nov 6, 2019

Dameius
Apr 3, 2006

Bucky Fullminster posted:

If anyone cares about the names of generations and their cut-off dates, you might enjoy this:

Generations & their Names

The main problem is that "Millennials" supposedly includes people born from 1983, to the early 2000s. But a "generation" is meant to mean people born about the same time, who grew up with a shared experience. The mid 80s and early 2000s are emphatically neither “the same time” nor “a shared experience”. So using the term doesn't make sense.

I like the nice clean decadal lines, and the logical sequence of the titles.

Interested in your thoughts.

I always went with the shorthand that Millennial meant you were alive but legally could not drink on 9/11. I think updating that to can't drink and remember 9/11 is probably more apt.

But also just a marketing term so it is only so relevant and shouldn't be held to too strictly.

mojo1701a
Oct 9, 2008

Oh, yeah. Loud and clear. Emphasis on LOUD!
~ David Lee Roth

Bonzo posted:

Red Green (Steve Smith) is a Boomer but he's :canada: and I will not hear ill of him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxJpjCWnyV0

Red Green is a national treasure, and I always appreciated that he used to make fun of that kind of person.

Worst you could say is that they were portrayed as well-meaning but hapless idiots (except for maybe Hap Shaughnessy).

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

In Millennial stereotype news I found out my roommate and her sister didn't vote, nor did my friend at her university, nor did half the people I asked online :negative:

One of them even said "I have a lot of political friends if there was an election today I'm sure they would have told me."

CPL593H
Oct 28, 2009

I know what you did last summer, and frankly I am displeased.

number 1 snake fan posted:

Boomers love to drive enormous suvs directly down the middle of the road going the wrong way down a one-way street and then get indignant even you honk at them bc they're barreling towards you

When I was in sixth grade the principal subbed for our teacher one day and she made her son go get her a coffee from the teacher's lounger downstairs. By the way her son was in a different grade so she had him pulled out of class for this. So when he gets back with it the coffee was in a styrofoam cup which made her lose her poo poo. She went on a big rant about how bad styrofoam is for the enviroment and basically shamed him in front of everybody and gave a big speech about how those cups with never decompose and be around forever.

She drove a Chevy Surburban.

Coolguye
Jul 6, 2011

Required by his programming!

mojo1701a posted:

Red Green is a national treasure
:hai:

13Pandora13
Nov 5, 2008

I've got tiiits that swingle dangle dingle




epsilon posted:

check out this dipshit:


Bolding mine. Wow.

Here's the column: https://www.denverpost.com/2019/11/05/ask-amy-mysterious-photo-invites-ethical-question/

Softball response but ultimately Amy's advice is to get over it.

Plan Z
May 6, 2012

Coolguye posted:

this is an honest, guileless question even though i know it is going to come across as snide in text: which ones? i deal with the problem of people wanting work that's better than poverty wages all the time and the semiskilled and trade school jobs that i try to sluice them toward frequently require a time and education investment they can't handle, so if you have an insight i am very much listening.

If cooking counts, there's one (as you've heard me bitch about in Mumble). And by "full-time" I mean that cooks/chefs throw in 30-70 hours a week, but are rarely given a living wage and/or receive benefits, and that even includes chefs these days (You no joke top out at $15/hr. for most chef jobs in our busy college town). I've seen pamphlets for colleges and tech schools that are advertising that you can top out at around $45k in the industry. While yeah there are also no real barriers for entry, I don't think there are as many people who cry and quit in their first week as much in other industries so even if a job doesn't require culinary knowledge, it does have certain mental, physical, and emotional requirements.

I realize it's a super loaded answer relative to your question.

Plan Z fucked around with this message at 08:23 on Nov 6, 2019

PHIZ KALIFA
Dec 21, 2011

#mood

Coolguye posted:

this is an honest, guileless question even though i know it is going to come across as snide in text: which ones? i deal with the problem of people wanting work that's better than poverty wages all the time and the semiskilled and trade school jobs that i try to sluice them toward frequently require a time and education investment they can't handle, so if you have an insight i am very much listening.

Teaching English as a Foreign Language, even just a 1-on-1 tutoring gig, can get you those rates. Online services pay loving dismally, like less than a 1/3rd of what folks offer for in-person rates. The entry floor is low too, usually just english fluency and any 4-year college degree.

edit- if they're in a minority culture, sensitivity reading for soon-to-be released novels pays a few hundred per book.

Greatbacon
Apr 9, 2012

by Pragmatica

Lactose Is Wack posted:

If you really want to learn about how Mike Rowe is a piece of poo poo I suggest listening to this:

https://soundcloud.com/citationsneeded/episode-64-mike-rowes-koch-backed-working-man-affectation

This is a good podcast, but this episode in particular is perfect for this thread. It's like a pure deconstruction of all the bullshit boomer mythos wrapped up in Mike Rowe's schtick.

The two most important take aways from it are:

1.) For all his blue collar workingman attitude, the dude is just straight up a trained opera singer & actor

2.) He is bought and paid for by the Kochs

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
“No Viet Cong ever called me boomer.”

Solkanar512
Dec 28, 2006

by the sex ghost

Greatbacon posted:

This is a good podcast, but this episode in particular is perfect for this thread. It's like a pure deconstruction of all the bullshit boomer mythos wrapped up in Mike Rowe's schtick.

The two most important take aways from it are:

1.) For all his blue collar workingman attitude, the dude is just straight up a trained opera singer & actor

2.) He is bought and paid for by the Kochs

He literally cosplays a blue collar worker. gently caress him.

Ebeneezer Splooge
Nov 2, 2018

Lil Peeler posted:

Boomers are incapable of silencing/vibrating their phones. I'm at a public meeting and no less than 4 phones have gone off, all belong to boomers.

Boomers love bitmoji

Plan Z
May 6, 2012

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

“No Viet Cong ever called me boomer.”

I'm 100% Boomer.

Framboise
Sep 21, 2014

To make yourself feel better, you make it so you'll never give in to your forevers and live for always.


Lipstick Apathy
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/05/jamie-dimon-says-sen-elizabeth-warren-vilifies-successful-people.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/04/leon-cooperman-tears-up-talking-about-america-elizabeth-warren.html

One says "don't vilify successful people"-- translation: "waaaah don't hate me because I'm rich I DESERVE THIS I EARNED THIS"

Another breaks down in literal tears at the notion that making billions and billions off an industry that exploited the absolute gently caress out of my generation is a bad thing that he is guilty of.

Like. I have a student loan with Navient. I've been making payments on an income based payment plan (PSLF, which has only given forgiveness to 1% of people on the plan). I have not missed a single payment in almost 7 years.

My balance is HIGHER than what it started out as. gently caress Navient, gently caress this guy, his wrinkled pruny rear end and wrinkled pruny asses like his can't leave the mortal coil fast enough.


Throwing literal motherfucking tantrums over not being worshipped when you're among the most wealthy people in the world from trampling on the backs of millions of people and being accused of being the blight on humanity you are is quite possibly even more Boomer than Trump being angry that New York praised his departure to Florida.

Like, I don't think it gets more Boomer than this.

Framboise fucked around with this message at 08:46 on Nov 6, 2019

dee eight
Dec 18, 2002

The Spirit
of Maynard

:catdrugs:

Bucky Fullminster posted:

Interested in your thoughts.

Looking at people by group titles such as silent, boomer, x, y, or omega is really only useful as a chronological tag. Each group has within itself a gazillion bell curves of good/bad, rich/poor, smart/dumb, X/Y. Each individual within each group is a person to be judged on their own merits and not by an arbitrary label over their heads.

It's also seems a bit of compartmentalization which is, um... how many steps from otherizing?

e: that article didn't mention the beat generation or the pepsi generation. wtf

e2:Just to clarify, I'm not cheerleading for team boomer. Judging each individual boomer would def show that the great majority of them are irredeemable fuckheads. I don't want to tar the few cool ones with the same brush.

dee eight fucked around with this message at 08:58 on Nov 7, 2019

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here

BigDave posted:

I've been reading a lot of true crime lately, and I realized that most modern serial killers were boomers.

Ted Bundy - 1946
Jeffrey Dalhmer - 1960
Ed Kemper - 1948
Arthur Shawcross - 1945
John Wayne Gacy - 1942
Gary Ridgeway - 1949

It's been theorised that lead poisoning is responsible for all the serial killers as it increases aggression and stunts development of mental processes.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

dee eight posted:

Looking at people by group titles such as silent, boomer, x, y, or omega is really only useful as a chronological tag. Each group has within itself a gazillion bell curves of good/bad, rich/poor, smart/dumb, X/Y. Each individual within each group is a person to be judged on their own merits and not by an arbitrary label over their heads.

It's also seems a bit of compartmentalization which is, um... how many steps from otherizing?

e: that article didn't mention the beat generation or the pepsi generation. wtf

A bit late on the otherizing, kind of the whole thing with boomers is that they have open hatred and contempt for younger generations. If anything it's taken a long time for millennials and gen z to start giving it back in kind.

dee eight
Dec 18, 2002

The Spirit
of Maynard

:catdrugs:
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Ok boomer

dee eight
Dec 18, 2002

The Spirit
of Maynard

:catdrugs:

i really want one of those shirts now

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Barudak
May 7, 2007

dee eight posted:

i really want one of those shirts now

I feel like it works best in hoodie format

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