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seizure later posted:wild to think that come the end of the year Simic Nexus probably wouldn't even rank in the top 5 most annoying and dogshit to play against UGx decks Simic Nexus had hate cards, like cindervines, or... counterspells...
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seizure later posted:wild to think that come the end of the year Simic Nexus probably wouldn't even rank in the top 5 most annoying and dogshit to play against UGx decks LoL Nexus was more annoying than Golos was, I’d still put it as 1. Oko Food 2. Nexus 3. Bant Golos
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Nov 6, 2019 20:06
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Simic Nexus owns, I'm glad it's good in Pioneer
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Nov 6, 2019 20:07
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Eej posted:Simic Nexus owns, I'm glad it's good in Pioneer Boo this man! Boo!
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Nov 6, 2019 22:01
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Nexus teaches you an important lesson in Magic: sometimes you've lost before the game is actually over Also: do you really think you're griefing a combo deck player by letting them play out their combo lol
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Nov 6, 2019 22:17
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the more I look at the spoiled Theros cards the more I'm convinced there's going to be a black enchantment that reads "Whenever you pay a card's Escape cost, create X 1/1 Nyx Born creatures under your control, where X is the Escape cost"
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Nov 6, 2019 22:26
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Eej posted:Nexus teaches you an important lesson in Magic: sometimes you've lost before the game is actually over "YOU CAN JUST CONCEDE" https://www.twitch.tv/starcitygames/clip/CovertBrainyPorpoiseYouWHY?filter=clips&range=30d&sort=time
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Nov 6, 2019 22:29
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Eej posted:Nexus teaches you an important lesson in Magic: sometimes you've lost before the game is actually over Sometimes.....yes. Them doing 40,000 clicks while I watch TV and drink a beer is fine by me. Even then half of the time I wana see the combo and I imagine they want to do their whole combo for once. E: Note: I am a casual player.
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Nov 6, 2019 22:35
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Oh also for those who didn't follow the decks make sure you've picked up your Command Tower and Arcane Signet in brawl, they're commons. There's also this:  I haven't put it in every deck but it goes in a lot of them. seizure later posted:the more I look at the spoiled Theros cards the more I'm convinced there's going to be a black enchantment that reads "Whenever you pay a card's Escape cost, create X 1/1 Nyx Born creatures under your control, where X is the Escape cost"
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Nov 6, 2019 22:37
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Veil is absolutely beyond broken, it’s a 1-mana cantripping answer to 1) any counterspell 2) most kill spells 3) any discard spell in a color that’s not supposed to be able to interact with those things very well. If it didn’t have the draw a card clause it would still see tons of play, that’s how good it is. Think of all the 1-mana cards with “draw a card” on them and then think about how many of them would still be playable if they didn’t say draw a card.
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Nov 6, 2019 22:38
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I just don’t consider “A very good sideboard card” to be “broken”. Like Veil of Summer isn’t scaring anyone away from any format and it’s not really invalidating anything on a meta-level, it just leads to potential blowouts. It’s exceedingly, exceptionally strong, but it’s not stopping U/W Control or Temur Reclamation or Rakdos Catfood from functioning and putting up a fight.
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Nov 6, 2019 22:48
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ChiTownEddie posted:Sometimes.....yes. Them doing 40,000 clicks while I watch TV and drink a beer is fine by me. Even then half of the time I wana see the combo and I imagine they want to do their whole combo for once. at this point you're not a player, you're an audience
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Nov 6, 2019 22:49
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Lone Goat posted:at this point you're not a player, you're an audience Factual. I lost to Ali's newer infinite turns deck before I'd seen his stuff on it and just wanted to watch to see what it did.
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Nov 6, 2019 22:55
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seizure later posted:the more I look at the spoiled Theros cards the more I'm convinced there's going to be a black enchantment that reads "Whenever you pay a card's Escape cost, create X 1/1 Nyx Born creatures under your control, where X is the Escape cost" Cost in exiled cards or mana? There's a black sorcery for 2 damage to the face, and an escape cost of 3B and three cards exiled. I see that ending a lot of games if you have the mana to cast it a couple of times.
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Relin posted:brawl seems kind of poo poo, it's just all aggro decks. at least in commander theres sufficient sweepers, or sweepers you can tutor for Makes sense to have a lot of aggro in brawl, right? This is why I'm running 4 gingerbrutes and a bunch of auras/ equipment. Granted, I eat poo poo 60% of the time, but I'm having fun. edit: der, I'm not running 4 of them in brawl, but that was the deck I used as my brawl template... mea culpa boo_radley fucked around with this message at 23:32 on Nov 6, 2019 |
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Nov 6, 2019 23:21
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Eej posted:Nexus teaches you an important lesson in Magic: sometimes you've lost before the game is actually over Sometimes I watch it play out because unless it's gonna delete all my creatures or literally kill me this turn, I do have bombs which will let me win left (in particular with my current deck, I have enough damage on the board for Bond of Discipline to murder them if I have the opportunity to play it uncountered). Other times because it's entertaining. Others because I don't have anything better to do and there's always room for them to gently caress up a complicated combo system. boo_radley posted:Makes sense to have a lot of aggro in brawl, right? This is why I'm running 4 gingerbrutes and a bunch of auras/ equipment. Granted, I eat poo poo 60% of the time, but I'm having fun. How are you playing more than one gingerbrute in Brawl...?
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Nov 6, 2019 23:24
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Lava Dart was my best friend 'cause people always forget about the last few damage when your hand is empty and your lands are tapped. I suppose you still have to tap lands for these.
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Put together Rienne in Brawl, living the zoo dream of killing them swiftly or getting mana screwed and conceding on turn 2, hell yea Also her animation looks better than the card art, oy
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Nov 6, 2019 23:33
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Brawl is ultra fun, ranked when?
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Bust Rodd posted:I just don’t consider “A very good sideboard card” to be “broken”. Like Veil of Summer isn’t scaring anyone away from any format and it’s not really invalidating anything on a meta-level, it just leads to potential blowouts. It invalidates interactive midrange that run black or blue pretty well in every format and the results have born that out before oko was even printed
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Nov 7, 2019 00:09
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IMJack posted:Cost in exiled cards or mana? probably exiled cards thinking about it, but it'd probably be something like a 5/6CMC cost enchantment, similar to Ethereal Absolution. just trying to think of some payoff to the Escape mechanic since at the moment it looks pretty underwhelming.
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Nov 7, 2019 00:13
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Time posted:It invalidates interactive midrange that run black or blue pretty well in every format and the results have born that out before oko was even printed Most Urza Oko decks in Modern I've seen aren't running Veil of Summer. M20 Standard was dominated by Kethis Combo, Bant Scapeshift, Golos Nexus, Vampires, Mono Red, and Esper? I think the only one of those decks that ran Veil is Bant Scapeshift.
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Ashiok mono-u is really good for Budget Brawl. Just run counterspells, walls, bounce, card draw, and those cards like Frogify and Kasmina's Transformation to gently caress their commanders, and you're gonna deck them eventually.
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or just run a few dozen petitioners
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Jace if you want to win the mirror and don't really care about anything else. Gadwick if you want to maximize your odds against midrangey decks that will actually play removal.
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Not being able to be countered is well established in Green flavor
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It's Green Elemental Blast that Cantrips 90% of the time. For 1. Imagine if Aether Gust or Noxious Grasp drew a card, and also just cost one mana. There hasn't been a color hate card as strong as Veil of Summer since Boil/Choke.
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it's much stronger in non-rotating formats because it's a hate card that's not effective against the best color in standard right now, that part is easy the problem with veil is that it hits a MASSIVE variety of threats. hate cards are historically narrow and strong (teferi's response) or broad and weaker (ghost quarter). veil is both super broad-- it interacts with three different types of spells-- and super strong, since it's a 1-mana instant speed 2-for-1. it's doing gruesome things in legacy. people hate having their spells countered, fair, but since blue hasn't been able to do much against resolved permanents since 1995 or so they kind of have to be able to counter. like, yeah, it's green elemental blast, but way way way better, and the elemental blasts are way too strong to print today.
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drat, getting my rear end kicked in Brawl but by a large variety of clever decks so it's fun anyway
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Bust Rodd
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Veil is a questionable card strictly because of power level, not because of play pattern. There's nothing wrong with deciding to float or not as the green player and the pros and cons of playing into veil as the non-green player, that part's all actually pretty cool. It's just too strong compared to what other cards in the game do for 1 mana.
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Eej posted:Also: do you really think you're griefing a combo deck player by letting them play out their combo lol I've seen enough posts in this thread alone to say that yes, combo deck players actually do get mad when you don't concede during the Nexus loop
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( ) elemental blast also takes out resolved permanents, dunno if you guys are making the right comparison I'm just spitballing but maybe you side in more permanents if veil is giving you a problem? It still cycles there, of course.
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Side in more permanents as Blue or Black, the colours with shittier creatures than Green, the colour with literally the best creatures.
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:
It doesn't "hit threats" at all, it's purely reactive and purely defensive. It does nothing against board clears. Cmon guys keep your heads. So much whining itt.
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This conversation is hyper dumb, but it's still way better than the constant whining on reddit about lack of friends lists. Also magic's best trick after the reserved list is convincing people the colors are real and their friends or enemies. Doltos posted:I've seen enough posts in this thread alone to say that yes, combo deck players actually do get mad when you don't concede during the Nexus loop
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One time on Arena I made a guy play out his Nexus deck. After going through his entire deck I saw he didn't have a single win condition in the whole thing. He proceeded to take about 15 more turns, spamming "Good Game" the entire time before finally conceding. And that is why I always make them play it out
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Spiderdrake posted:Wasn't there an article where some random dumb gently caress was posting about how upsetting it was people conceded fast in the play queue? Magic players are seriously challenged by the idea there's another human being across the table not doing exactly what they want them to. Yep saw that article but the guys point was more that he was saying that people concede too fast when they still have a possibility to win, and that it seems like Arena players do it more.
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I don't think Veil is more overpowered and oppressive than the things it's hosing, but I do think it's silly that the design has to exist in the first place. It's sort of like the color hoser version of Questing Beast: yes, it might serve a valuable role in the metagame ecosystem, but it's dumb that power creep has advanced to that point in the first place where they just need to slop lines of text onto a card until it provides enough value to be playable in the rocket tag metagame.
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