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Seriously standard is such a hilarious mess, especially when one color has been given so many busted cards that some are being totally overshadowed by the others, saying Mentor of the Meek shouldn't have been printed is pretty hilarious for a designer to say. It's like the house is burning down and complaining that the fridge door was left open.
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what if the fridge complaint was made ages before the fire
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Nov 11, 2019 19:35
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The momir was really bad. Even I as a new player didn't enjoy it. Alternate art murder rider though!
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Nov 11, 2019 19:43
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flatluigi posted:what if the fridge complaint was made ages before the fire With the color pie he never forgives or forgets except doesn't get upset about delver or snapcaster cuz whoops blue~
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Nov 11, 2019 19:45
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:It's still a green identity Yeah but the whole reason we’re in the mess that we’re in right now is because drawing cards in a card game shouldn’t be relegated to one or two or even three colors every color needs a way to draw cards for this game to be healthy. And consistently citing mark rosewater as the end-all be-all definitive edition and authority on what a card should and shouldn’t do is maybe not 100% correct since again here we are in this loving format Also happily ever after it was printed in this block, white just gets the worst draw spell in the format lol Bust Rodd fucked around with this message at 20:08 on Nov 11, 2019 |
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Nov 11, 2019 20:04
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You can make a very effective argument that green has too much draw in this standard, but that doesn't mean a very green card should be changed to white. If Innkeeper gave a card when an aura or equipment or teeny creature ETB it'd be white
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Nov 11, 2019 20:17
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Or maybe white should just get to draw cards when creatures come into play because there is sincerely no good argument against it at this point. All of whites best stuff is gone, it needs new stuff to stay relevant.
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Nov 11, 2019 20:20
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Saying it is green is all feels when there's specific examples of white getting abilities like that. But then the design lead of a set that just got mangled in development doesn't like it oh nooooooooo Bust Rodd posted:Also happily ever after it was printed in this block, white just gets the worst draw spell in the format lol Watching LegenVD play that recently was painful.
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Nov 11, 2019 20:21
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Spiderdrake posted:Green didn't originally have card draw. It was given card draw. Arguing it's not "in the color identity" is loving stupid. Arguing mentor is a mistake when you're looking at an actual mistake format is hilarious. Colour identity is real, strong and also my friend. If Red gets straight creature and PW removal you betcha I'm gonna be hoppin mad!
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Nov 11, 2019 20:24
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Eej posted:Colour identity is real, strong and also my friend. If Red gets straight creature and PW removal you betcha I'm gonna be hoppin mad! Red having direct damage spells that are restricted to creatures or planeswalkers or players only is encroaching on Black's color identity.
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Nov 11, 2019 20:27
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I actually do think the gradual diluting of red's removal into clunky black removal is pretty lame. But it's not a stolen blue ability so maro don't care. Design put direct damage over life loss on black cards and was like huh wow this all feels the same. I like when lifelink goes on midnight reaper. Good design work. Eej posted:Colour identity is real, strong and also my friend. If Red gets straight creature and PW removal you betcha I'm gonna be hoppin mad! You made this bad format. YOU DID THIS. With your feels.
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Nov 11, 2019 20:30
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endlessmonotony posted:I'm pretty sure I've just flat out never played a worse format of Magic. Look at this person who didn't play Planeswalker Momir, a momir format where you can get mana screwed on.
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Nov 11, 2019 20:31
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AngryBooch posted:Red having direct damage spells that are restricted to creatures or planeswalkers or players only is encroaching on Black's color identity. Counterpoint: Anger of the Gods? Great card!
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Nov 11, 2019 20:53
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I have no idea why OuaT is a green card e: I mean in the sense that it casts for free
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seizure later posted:I have no idea why OuaT is a green card It casts for free because they started with the name and worked backwards which lead to them wanting to make sure you wanted to cast it first because flavour. It's in Green because of what the rest of the card does.
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Nov 11, 2019 21:06
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"White has gotten card draw even though I only have 2 examples that key off a very specific type of creature so this should be white" is a hell of a take
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seizure later posted:I have no idea why OuaT is a green card When I hear the phrase once upon a time I think of a fairy tale that usually takes place in or near an enchanted forest. Hansel and Gretel, Little Red Riding Hood, Snow White. Hell all those fairy tales came from Germanic regions and parts of France which is basically all woods.
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Nov 11, 2019 21:19
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:"White has gotten card draw even though I only have 2 examples that key off a very specific type of creature so this should be white" is a hell of a take a very specific type of creature, you say
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Nov 11, 2019 21:20
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:"White has gotten card draw even though I only have 2 examples that key off a very specific type of creature so this should be white" is a hell of a take evilweasel posted:a very specific type of creature, you say Green card draw giving a poo poo about what kind of creature is entering the battlefield is color pie encroachment on White.
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Nov 11, 2019 21:24
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What fable is Murderous Rider supposed to be referencing anyway? I would have guessed Headless Horseman, but he has a head, and they actually already made Headless Horseman in Legends. Also it's cool that Questing Beast is an Arthurian legend thing. The 3D art when it hits the battlefield is really unnerving to me for some reason (and blocks everything on the screen when it swings in with haste).
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Nov 11, 2019 21:39
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This is great I had to concede two okomirs because my opponent spent his first full 2 turns highlighting my oko ability then his.
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Nov 11, 2019 22:02
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I made platinum. Pretty stoked since I have only played for about 3 weeks. Mastery lvl 44. Played my own version of Golagri adventure with 1 Garruk and 1 Lilliana because that what I have  no veil and 2 once upon a rime. And 2 Noxious grasp in sideboard. I do maindeck 2 drill bits that have been crushing it. It doesn't matter if it is a red,blue or green deck always good early.
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Nov 11, 2019 22:05
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K yep this event is unbelievably rage inducing. Combine the slowest players you've ever seen with the biggest luck you've ever seen. Only 4 games in and I want to strangle every opponent.
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Nov 11, 2019 22:09
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White's colour identity is that it sucks
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Vando posted:White's colour identity is that it sucks White is pretty good when you attach it to another color. Or two in the case of esper! But not this standard, no.
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Nov 11, 2019 22:18
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Lagomorphic posted:It casts for free because they started with the name and worked backwards which lead to them wanting to make sure you wanted to cast it first because flavour. It's in Green because of what the rest of the card does. seems like a pretty flimsy reason to give the historically best colour for mana ramping to also get free card draw. it should have been black, and had an alternative cost of 2 Phyrexian mana, so everyone could use it.
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Nov 11, 2019 22:22
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The historical best color for ramp is brown and Green has never, ever closed the gap. Wasn't Once revealed as a MH1 card they moved into Throne for some reason?
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Nov 11, 2019 22:29
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Once Upon a Time should have been White, the color that traditionally cares about Lands and Creatures White had Land Tax and Tithe, it's perfect! Ate My Balls Redux fucked around with this message at 22:41 on Nov 11, 2019 |
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Nov 11, 2019 22:35
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:Once Upon a Time should have been White, the color that traditionally cares about Lands and Creatures Looks pretty green to me https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=432879 https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=175036 https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=443041 https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=456569
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Nov 11, 2019 22:44
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White not getting any consistent way to draw cards on its own is a pretty big deal if the color pie is setting up to be: Blue can always draw, Black can draw with its life total as a resource, Red gets 'impulse' draw, Green can draw specifically creatures and lands.
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https://twitter.com/OndrejStrasky/status/1193986832792461314 My god the Mythic Champion is a net decker
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Our time has come.
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Doltos posted:Combine the slowest players you've ever seen with the biggest luck you've ever seen. This is every format though??
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Doltos posted:K yep this event is unbelievably rage inducing. Combine the slowest players you've ever seen with the biggest luck you've ever seen. Only 4 games in and I want to strangle every opponent.
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Zero VGS posted:What fable is Murderous Rider supposed to be referencing anyway? I would have guessed Headless Horseman, but he has a head, and they actually already made Headless Horseman in Legends. was there a knight that killed guys? if so, it's that.
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CapnAndy posted:Both players having Elk avatars is goddamn hilarious, but this is the only saving grace. I tried it again today and while it's random as gently caress I still won a couple games off skill and planning. I think PWer momir's mana screw elements make it worse. I didn't encounter anyone playing slow. It's strange how it's always Doltos complaining about that. I also turn 1'd a rapacious dragon and I tell ya, that was a fast game. Opponent made a 3/3 alligator elk and packed it up.
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Lone Goat posted:was there a knight that killed guys? if so, it's that. I think I figured it out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Knight_(Arthurian_legend) quote:A supernatural Black Knight is summoned by Sir Calogrenant (Cynon ap Clydno in Welsh mythology) in the tale of Yvain, the Knight of the Lion. The Black Knight bests Calogrenant, but the Black Knight is later killed by Ywain (Owain mab Urien) when he attempts to complete the quest that Calogrenant failed.[1] What a dumbass, summoned a supernatural black knight and gets ganked by his own summon?
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Spiderdrake posted:I tried it again today and while it's random as gently caress I still won a couple games off skill and planning. I think PWer momir's mana screw elements make it worse. I didn't encounter anyone playing slow. It's strange how it's always Doltos complaining about that. To be fair my definition of slow might be a way lower threshold than yours. Anyone who has to highlight a couple of cards before doing anything falls into my most hated category and anyone who fires out cards and instantly jams end turn while spamming your go at me instantly becomes my best friend.
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I am more angered by the giant loving animations that cover the card in elkmir. Like, which 3/3 flier is that? I dunno, let's wait while a dragon animated by a time traveling mainframe studios judders across the screen. Oh, it's that standard unplayable one. Cool. Thanks.
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