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WotC banned Veil of Summer in Pioneer today. I would assume that means that Veil will be banned in Standard next week along with Oko. At least I hope they ban Oko and not just Veil!
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Hmmmm Oko and Veil would be pretty good, it would certainly allow for blue and black to be good in this format (LoL)
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Nov 11, 2019 23:52
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Spiderdrake posted:I am more angered by the giant loving animations that cover the card in elkmir. Like, which 3/3 flier is that? I dunno, let's wait while a dragon animated by a time traveling mainframe studios judders across the screen. Oh, it's that standard unplayable one. Cool. Thanks. Concur, those animations are cool the first time but super distracting every time after. I don't need to see a giant cerberus cat thing slinging itself across the screen every time someone plays Questing Beast then immediately attacks, it's incredibly distracting. There must be some way to turn those off.
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Nov 11, 2019 23:53
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Was there a giant 4/4 vigilance death touch beast with pseudo-unblockability and planeswalker hate in Arthurian myth?
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Nov 12, 2019 01:36
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Yeah but the animator died before it got the knights
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Nov 12, 2019 01:41
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fadam posted:Was there a giant 4/4 vigilance death touch beast with pseudo-unblockability and planeswalker hate in Arthurian myth? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Questing_Beast or  ?
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Nov 12, 2019 01:47
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Gotta say, pulling off Murderous Rider + Lucky Clover in draft is the best feeling.
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fadam posted:Was there a giant 4/4 vigilance death touch beast with pseudo-unblockability and planeswalker hate in Arthurian myth? You forgot haste and damage can't be prevented
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Nov 12, 2019 02:11
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Zero VGS posted:You forgot haste and damage can't be prevented It's sort of astonishing that a creature that pushed can be cut from a green deck.
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Nov 12, 2019 02:28
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Look I know the game has a lot of issues or whatever buttt how come Oko the Trickster doesn't have any voicelines right now?  Did they like...forget that this Oko also exists when they were recording?
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Nov 12, 2019 02:36
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They didn’t think anyone was actually gonna play a card that wack.
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Nov 12, 2019 02:43
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Someone had Big Oko as their commander against me in Brawl, that trolled me harder than if they went with normal Oko. Cheeky bastards. edit: they should errata to exhange their casting costs with one another, that might be fair
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Nov 12, 2019 02:58
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People forgot Gruul decks exist and are countering creatures with Rhythm of the Wilds out.
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Nov 12, 2019 03:30
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Spiderdrake posted:I am more angered by the giant loving animations that cover the card in elkmir. Like, which 3/3 flier is that? I dunno, let's wait while a dragon animated by a time traveling mainframe studios judders across the screen. Oh, it's that standard unplayable one. Cool. Thanks. This gives me a good idea for a brew - only include cards with animations, the bigger the better. Zero VGS posted:Someone had Big Oko as their commander against me in Brawl, that trolled me harder than if they went with normal Oko. Cheeky bastards. I had no idea there even was a second Oko.
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Nov 12, 2019 04:01
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Shooting Blanks posted:This gives me a good idea for a brew - only include cards with animations, the bigger the better.
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Funkdreamer posted:Use the Fblthp sleeves for the constant horrible squishing sounds I'm debating on those vs the golden egg sleeves. Sounds are good, but can be turned off. Animations can't be turned off. Edit: I've never actually heard the sleeves, I've had sounds turned off forever. Shooting Blanks fucked around with this message at 04:58 on Nov 12, 2019 |
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Nov 12, 2019 04:24
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Funkdreamer posted:Use the Fblthp sleeves for the constant horrible squishing sounds Christ, is that what that awful noise is? It sounds like foley for a porno.
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Nov 12, 2019 04:43
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Best part of Okomir was beating someone that pulled a Griselbrand. Also winning my first game to an immediate concede when I was on the play and hadn’t even dropped a land yet.
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Nov 12, 2019 05:40
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Shooting Blanks posted:I had no idea there even was a second Oko. He is a special planeswalker-deck-only card that is designed specifically to be bad and unplayable.
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Nov 12, 2019 13:03
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Oh hey it turns out that when you build a deck that's almost entirely focussed around one mechanic, it gets silly. Ask me about golgari adventures.
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thespaceinvader posted:Oh hey it turns out that when you build a deck that's almost entirely focussed around one mechanic, it gets silly. what's golgari adventures, thespaceinvader
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Nov 12, 2019 14:19
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Golgari adventures is just ridiculous, and I have no idea why people are fouling up their decks with Planewalkers or anything that costs more than 3 mana. Smitten Swordsman is a common that wins games by doing 18 damage to the enemy without targeting them (gently caress you, Veil of Summer!) if you've filled your board with cheap knights like Foulmire that discourages attacks and have a Lucky Clover or two out. Last night I won like 5 games doing that and said out loud to my cat "I think I've pissed a lot of people off tonight".
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Nov 12, 2019 14:30
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I’m playing regular Golgari adventures and every time someone plays a LuckyClover across the field from me I get super excited because I know I’m definitely going to win that game. The knights version is certainly very cute but I just don’t see it being better than regular BG Adventures.
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Nov 12, 2019 14:36
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Arivia posted:what's golgari adventures, thespaceinvader Fun as gently caress. In particular the interaction between Lucky Clver and Beanstalk Giant is hilarious, at least three times after playing it just this morning and last night I've got to the poitn where I've run out of basic lands and have two 14-14 giants in play. I'm incined to agree that the cheap black Knights are just absurdly good, but at the same tyime, I do like my Big Green Men. I suspect once I break out of plat into diamond, which I expect to do later today, I will be better off dropping the Walkers and big golgari baddies who have interesting interactions for cheap Knights. E: keeping Garenbrig Carver though. The interaction with the Lifelink knights and Carver and Clover allowing a big life-gain swing has saved my rear end a few times now. thespaceinvader fucked around with this message at 14:57 on Nov 12, 2019 |
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Nov 12, 2019 14:42
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Most Golgari lists don't run the smitten swordmaster or the cloverd.It's the first thing I take out from my Golgari list when I want to be beefier. But against some decks like sacrifice it's good. Mono black with clover is fun to and an alternative when everyone is running Noxious grasp.
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Nov 12, 2019 14:59
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Bust Rodd posted:I’m playing regular Golgari adventures and every time someone plays a LuckyClover across the field from me I get super excited because I know I’m definitely going to win that game. The knights version is certainly very cute but I just don’t see it being better than regular BG Adventures. I challenge you to a duel and am already anticipating being lavished with PMs from all the hot goon girls in this thread from defeating The Infamous Bust Rodd.
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Nov 12, 2019 15:22
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I’m just saying that the budget version of Golgari adventures sounds awesome for doing dailies but the beefy version is the version that Top 8’ing the MC’s in the wake of Oko and his weird genophage-y Elk movement.
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Nov 12, 2019 15:29
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Btw you guys should totally play each other. Friends list , when?
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MRLOLAST posted:Btw you guys should totally play each other. Hey, you can jump through hoops and direct challenge people through discord!
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Nov 12, 2019 15:51
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thespaceinvader posted:Fun as gently caress. I think I probably have most of the parts of this already and it sounds rad. Can you post your list?
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Nov 12, 2019 15:54
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Carver kinda sucks though? A 3/2 for 4 is pretty bad. And a more expensive worse giant growth attached. I would rather put something beefier like a questing beast in for 4 or another copy of lovestruck beast . Or a Rankle. But if it works for you then play it.
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Nov 12, 2019 16:34
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MRLOLAST posted:Carver kinda sucks though? A 3/2 for 4 is pretty bad. And a more expensive worse giant growth attached. Carver is way better than giant growth. The fact that it is a trick that is not worth an entire card AND a creature is great, even if both the trick and the creature are mediocre. The fact that there are adventure payoffs for both halves of it also increases its playability. Im not going to say its an amazing card or a high pick or anything but its a solid C/C-.
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I will concede that Lucky Clover is better in a deck that runs Beanstalk Giant over Lovestruck Beast, but the strength of Golgari Adventures is definitely in its ability to just barf its entire hand by T4 sometimes and put 15 power on the board
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Paul Zuvella posted:Carver is way better than giant growth. The fact that it is a trick that is not worth an entire card AND a creature is great, even if both the trick and the creature are mediocre. The fact that there are adventure payoffs for both halves of it also increases its playability. Im not going to say its an amazing card or a high pick or anything but its a solid C/C-. I think people in general are sleeping on the incredible value most adventure cards represent. Two 'meh' abilities in a single card makes it... A good card! Maybe even a great one! A Murderous Rider is the solution to two problems - directly removing a threat and putting a decently beefy lifelink body on the field. A Faerie Godmother gets you evasion and a cost-effective flier, in one card. Giant Killer is just nuts - removal and a creature that can shut down a threat indefinitely until you can find a better answer. At the end of the day we all get 60 card decks and draw a hand of 7. The more answers I have in my hand at any given time, the more likely I am to beat my opponent. Adventures are 2 cards in one body. I think the reason people are so dismissive of them is the skewing effect Fields and Oko have had on the game the past couple months. I think Adventures are going to be a major archetype once stupid sexy Oko goes on vacation.
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The trick with the Adventures, from testing, is that some of them work well (or indeed, better) without Clover, and some seem to be balanced for it. Tuinvale Treefolk and Carver and particularly Rosethorn Druid are very much 'play at least one clover first or don't bother' but Order of Midnight and sometimes Murderous Rider actually suffer from too many clovers, because they fail to resolve if you don't have enough targets and drop themselves into the graveyard. Beanstalk Giant seems solidly balanced without it, and bananas with it in terms of how much ramp you can get when. Being able to get a turn 3 two-extra-land-you-can-use-this-turn is crackers when you consider that Circuitous Route is a very solid mana booster, but it costs an extra mana and a whole turn spent doing nothing but boosting your mana output.ManMythLegend posted:I think I probably have most of the parts of this already and it sounds rad. Can you post your list? This is the current one Deck 4 Edgewall Innkeeper (ELD) 151 8 Forest (ELD) 269 2 Curious Pair (ELD) 150 2 Garenbrig Carver (ELD) 156 1 Tuinvale Treefolk (ELD) 180 2 Beanstalk Giant (ELD) 149 4 Foulmire Knight (ELD) 90 8 Swamp (ELD) 261 1 Reaper of Night (ELD) 102 3 Order of Midnight (ELD) 99 3 Smitten Swordmaster (ELD) 105 2 Murderous Rider (ELD) 97 1 Castle Locthwain (ELD) 241 1 Castle Garenbrig (ELD) 240 2 Gilded Goose (ELD) 160 2 Once Upon a Time (ELD) 169 1 Return of the Wildspeaker (ELD) 172 1 Deathsprout (WAR) 189 1 End-Raze Forerunners (RNA) 124 1 Rosethorn Acolyte (ELD) 174 1 Temple of Malady (M20) 254 3 Jungle Hollow (M20) 248 1 Overgrown Tomb (GRN) 253 4 Lucky Clover (ELD) 226 1 Questing Beast (ELD) 171 It suffers from the lack of more Murderous Riders, and I would probably throw in Lovestruck Beast somewhere if I had it. I've stripped almost all the non-Adventures out, but Wildspeaker and Forerunners are still very, very good, as is QB. Next drop is Deathsprout whenever I get my next rare. thespaceinvader fucked around with this message at 17:13 on Nov 12, 2019 |
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long-rear end nips Diane posted:Hey, you can jump through hoops and direct challenge people through discord! No you can’t. They removed that recently.
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I don't think anyone is sleeping on adventure. It is one of the only non-oko decks people play. Cat, fires, and adventure are the three deck types that aren't oko that people have any success with at all.
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thespaceinvader posted:The trick with the Adventures, from testing, is that some of them work well (or indeed, better) without Clover, and some seem to be balanced for it. Tuinvale Treefolk and Carver and particularly Rosethorn Druid are very much 'play at least one clover first or don't bother' but Order of Midnight and sometimes Murderous Rider actually suffer from too many clovers, because they fail to resolve if you don't have enough targets and drop themselves into the graveyard. Even Rosethorn acolytes adventure is great. The issue with splashing a color with a creature is that you need to creature on the battlefield and to wait a turn to be able to splash. Rosethorn lets you filter mana... for free... from your hand. That's not some world breaking effect but it synergizes perfectly with what Rosethorn wants you to do when its in your deck and increases your flexibility by a ton.
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Paul Zuvella posted:Even Rosethorn acolytes adventure is great. The issue with splashing a color with a creature is that you need to creature on the battlefield and to wait a turn to be able to splash. Rosethorn lets you filter mana... for free... from your hand. That's not some world breaking effect but it synergizes perfectly with what Rosethorn wants you to do when its in your deck and increases your flexibility by a ton. It's fine if you're not set up well for mana filtering anyway, but I've yet to build a deck where I want it over like... gilded goose, or even paradise druid. But then, that says more about the goose than it does about the druid.
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