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he doesn't because xcloud is expected to offer the same thing along with the crazy huge gamepass library the only question is what xcloud pricing will be, since we already know stadia and psnow pricing
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Streaming on Chromecast has always been a really good idea (at least in areas with good internet). A home run even. Google managed to gently caress it up by over-promising and loving up the launch. The messaging has been awful too - most people don't even realize you won't need a subscription in 2020.
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So the goal now is to compete with the PS5? I thought the whole time this thing was supposed to compete with a high end PC?
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I really don't understand why Stadia didn't just launch as a chrome extension. "Play the hottest games, right in your browser" is a simple sales pitch that makes sense. No hardware needed! But when it's all tied in to a "Chromecast Ultra", or a pixel phone, then you do kinda need hardware... so... why not just get a playstation if you need to buy hardware?...
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Polo-Rican posted:I really don't understand why Stadia didn't just launch as a chrome extension. "Play the hottest games, right in your browser" is a simple sales pitch that makes sense. No hardware needed! But when it's all tied in to a "Chromecast Ultra", or a pixel phone, then you do kinda need hardware... so... why not just get a playstation if you need to buy hardware?... because it
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leftist heap posted:So the goal now is to compete with the PS5? I thought the whole time this thing was supposed to compete with a high end PC? they should probably slow down because its barely competing with a ps4 pro
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He should ask some guys at microsoft how many years it took to overcome a thorough public roasting of a product. Or hell, ask Phil Harrison!
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Polo-Rican posted:I really don't understand why Stadia didn't just launch as a chrome extension. "Play the hottest games, right in your browser" is a simple sales pitch that makes sense. No hardware needed! But when it's all tied in to a "Chromecast Ultra", or a pixel phone, then you do kinda need hardware... so... why not just get a playstation if you need to buy hardware?... This is shaping up to be the worst launch since the Saturn and only because the up-front cost isn't $400. Klyith posted:He should ask some guys at microsoft how many years it took to overcome a thorough public roasting of a product. Shumagorath fucked around with this message at 23:33 on Nov 18, 2019 |
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leftist heap posted:So the goal now is to compete with the PS5? I thought the whole time this thing was supposed to compete with a high end PC? Goalposts are easily moved in the cloud.
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quote:“Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo. They’re all just spokes on a wheel. This one’s on top, then that one’s on top and on and on it spins...I'm not going to stop the wheel, I'm going to break the wheel.” -- Stadia Targaryen https://www.androidpolice.com/2019/06/07/can-we-talk-about-how-stadia-absolutely-nailed-its-pricing-model-opinion/
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Nov 18, 2019 23:32
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Polo-Rican posted:I really don't understand why Stadia didn't just launch as a chrome extension. "Play the hottest games, right in your browser" is a simple sales pitch that makes sense. No hardware needed! But when it's all tied in to a "Chromecast Ultra", or a pixel phone, then you do kinda need hardware... so... why not just get a playstation if you need to buy hardware?... because it's run by loving idiots
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Nov 18, 2019 23:33
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I made a crude-as-gently caress video to showcase what PSNow latency is like for me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAV9IpgwRp8 I should probably make another with a loud clacky fight stick.
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univbee posted:I made a crude-as-gently caress video to showcase what PSNow latency is like for me. *scribbles "has left hand with at least 1 thumb and finger" into notes*
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Other people have speculated that the extremely restrictive requirements for hardware to run it at launch is due to google not having enough cloud servers to fit a wide launch. I think that's probably right. If everyone was seeing Stadia as it is now, and there were 30 minute queues to get a server before you could play, how much worse would the chatter be? Probably the Pixel phones getting access as well is so: 1. There aren't that many Pixel phones out there, so it still restricts the audience especially when only a portion will try it 2. Google can throw a high-end phone at reviewers that they have to play on for the mobile testing, which has the best possible showing 3. As a thing for Pixel owners to feel good about since the Pixel 4 has gotten poo poo on by reviewers
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Nov 18, 2019 23:49
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pixaal posted:But that doesn't evenly scale, 720p upscaled to 1440p looks great, and 1080p scaled to 4k looks great. It's not as good as native, but it looks better than trying to display 720p on a 1080p screen. Also I don't see a point of upscaling client side, because you'll be amplifying the compression artifacts, which ought to be considerable, given this is one-pass realtime encoding.
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It's a bit strange that Google (of all things) shouldn't have enough servers for something, though. They've made it their business to have a bunch of always available online services that are used by probably billions of people all day every day, after all.
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Polo-Rican posted:I really don't understand why Stadia didn't just launch as a chrome extension. "Play the hottest games, right in your browser" is a simple sales pitch that makes sense. No hardware needed! But when it's all tied in to a "Chromecast Ultra", or a pixel phone, then you do kinda need hardware... so... why not just get a playstation if you need to buy hardware?... Now is the paid beta, real launch that doesn't require any hardware is next year.
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Lambert posted:Now is the paid beta, real launch that doesn't require any hardware is next year. Cardiovorax posted:It's a bit strange that Google (of all things) shouldn't have enough servers for something, though. They've made it their business to have a bunch of always available online services that are used by probably billions of people all day every day, after all.
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pixaal posted:But that doesn't evenly scale, 720p upscaled to 1440p looks great, and 1080p scaled to 4k looks great. It's not as good as native, but it looks better than trying to display 720p on a 1080p screen. I'm not entirely sure what you are getting at, but 2160p is exactly 9x 720p as well as 4x 1080p.
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:Stadia Targaryen The more he played the more he shat. The more he shat the blurrier he got.
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Shumagorath posted:Why would you ever do a paid beta for a free service? And don't say hardware because the whole point of this is low up-front cost. If you can find chumps to pay you for it AND defend you on the internet, why wouldn't you?
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Shumagorath posted:Why would you ever do a paid beta for a free service? And don't say hardware because the whole point of this is low up-front cost. Because 15 years ago you didn't have a gmail account until 2 months after all your friends and you were so uncool! There are plenty of nerds who want to have things before anyone else does and love some retail therapy. They are easy marks for this type of horseshit. And because the retail therapy is as important as the product itself, they don't even care that much when it is totally busted.
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The real  experience.
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Shumagorath posted:State-less highly-compressible web services or pre-recorded video are the complete opposite end of what Stadia is asking those cloud servers to do in at least one dimension.
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What point? To get laughed at for one long year by the whole hardcore gaming community, the same community towards which Stadia was targeted at? Cardiovorax posted:I suppose that's true, I just find it hard to imagine a corporation with the kind of revenue stream and technical experience that Google has to either be unable to buy enough servers or fail to correctly estimate how many they're actually going to need. 4 seconds of input lag and stuttering is not a problem of servers.
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limaCAT posted:4 seconds of input lag and stuttering is not a problem of servers. Totally wrong. I have an inside source that Stadia is running on clusters of decommissioned Google Search Appliances. 
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The only person that could save Stadia could be Elon Musk with Starlink, provided that 1) Starlink works as advertised, 2) it is released by 2020 as announced, 3) ISPs don't force Starlink out of every single market and 4) Musk does not screw up Google by throttling Stadia on it and 5) Musk as a philantrophist decides that it's ok if you want to just stream 40 gb of games per hour and does not put a data cap on it.
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shadow puppet of a posted:Totally wrong. I have an inside source that Stadia is running on clusters of decommissioned Google Search Appliances. I'm the blood spatter on the right.
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limaCAT posted:The only person that could save Stadia could be Elon Musk with Starlink, provided that 1) Starlink works as advertised, 2) it is released by 2020 as announced, 3) ISPs don't force Starlink out of every single market and 4) Musk does not screw up Google by throttling Stadia on it and 5) Musk as a philantrophist decides that it's ok if you want to just stream 40 gb of games per hour and does not put a data cap on it. as someone who worked with satellite internet lmao amazing joke pal
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shadow puppet of a posted:The more he played the more he shat. The more he shat the blurrier he got.
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:as someone who worked with satellite internet Because you believe that the other 4 points are surely happening, right?
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limaCAT posted:The only person that could save Stadia could be Elon Musk with Starlink, provided that 1) Starlink works as advertised, 2) it is released by 2020 as announced, 3) ISPs don't force Starlink out of every single market and 4) Musk does not screw up Google by throttling Stadia on it and 5) Musk as a philantrophist decides that it's ok if you want to just stream 40 gb of games per hour and does not put a data cap on it. Even I think you're batshit
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Then they probably should have marketed it as a beta. Instead they're going to get dragged by critics and consumers for a full year and go into the 2020 holiday season with one foot in the grave.
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Imagine Elon musk trying to save this piece of poo poo tech by building an ISP around it instead of just admitting you're a colossal moron who bought something on the wispiest hot fart of a promise that was barely advertised. I've never before seen such a product targeted at rube tunnel visioned gamers. It's like a honed in precision strike missile
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:https://www.androidpolice.com/2019/06/07/can-we-talk-about-how-stadia-absolutely-nailed-its-pricing-model-opinion/ Trying to remember where in the final season of GoT this was and how hilariously apt that adapted quote turned out to be. The $10 subscription gets funnier and funnier to me as we come to grips with the fact that what you are paying for is a lottery ticket to 4K 60fps gaming in a carnival midway that’s rigged such that many of the games can never pay out since the mighty hardware that Google is running this on is already inadequate for some games to hit the target.
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Cabbit posted:Then they probably should have marketed it as a beta. Instead they're going to get dragged by critics and consumers for a full year and go into the 2020 holiday season with one foot in the grave. They shouldn't have even had a "launch" in the first place, just low-key start selling games you can play in Chrome with any controller. THAT would be a loving grand slam.
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lmao at this atrocious service. Cloud gaming loving sucks balls and google don't know how to market for poo poo. A winning combo!
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:as someone who worked with satellite internet Don't worry, Google's predictive input only has to guess 4 seconds into the future to match those satellite response times! Tetrabor fucked around with this message at 01:16 on Nov 19, 2019 |
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With xCloud, Microsoft is essentially installing Xbox 1Ses into custom racks so I wonder if they'll do any better.
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shrike82 posted:With xCloud, Microsoft is essentially installing Xbox 1Ses into custom racks so I wonder if they'll do any better. The technology probably won't be better but it'll make far more sense as a supplementary option for an already-existing user base rather than as the sole method of operation that's starting from scratch.
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