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Organic, top-voted posts on R/Stadiaquote:Are you kidding me? quote:OMG thank you Google!!!! quote:Alright the service is good, we're all happy campers, now what are the priorities quote:Wow Taking a page out of his sodden Xbone playbook, this is what you get when Phil Harrison hastily hires Edelman PR to "get the word out" about how wonderful your moribund last place machine is doing the market.
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leftist heap posted:Psychologist here, and I've been putting a lot of thought into some potential reasons we see such reactive anger in general gaming spaces toward the core idea of Stadia. Is there another Reddit psychologist who can explain why people are so eager to let cloud providers control access to their games for little/no tangible benefit?
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Nov 26, 2019 06:48
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drat those posts are embarrassingly fake. I guess hostile apostle wasn't an employee after all.
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shadow puppet of a posted:Organic, top-voted posts on R/Stadia This feels too embarassing for Edelman, somehow
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Escape Goat posted:Is there another Reddit psychologist who can explain why people are so eager to let cloud providers control access to their games for little/no tangible benefit? reddit users would sell their owns mothers for convenience
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Nov 26, 2019 11:25
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https://twitter.com/nibellion/status/1198968290347036672?s=21 Lol
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Nov 26, 2019 11:58
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Now "The highest quality pixels" marketing phrase about xbox scorpio or scarlett doesn't sound that stupid anymore.
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Nov 26, 2019 12:04
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Nov 26, 2019 13:11
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American McGay posted:drat those posts are embarrassingly fake. I guess hostile apostle wasn't an employee after all. Look, Hostile Apostle is what you get when you really put in good money for a shill. He's top tier These guys are the Dingo Pictures to Hostile's Disney.
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Nov 26, 2019 14:03
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sent mine back today. and thus my stadia adventure ends.
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Nov 26, 2019 14:24
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Fallom posted:Love when I search for specific terms and the top results specifically exclude those terms Use quotation marks " " around terms or phrases for explicit searches.
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Lambert posted:Use quotation marks " " around terms or phrases for explicit searches. Or they could make the goddamn search engine search for what I type in.
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Nov 26, 2019 14:31
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Lambert posted:Use quotation marks " " around terms or phrases for explicit searches. It’s not an explicit search, it’s a keyword search and Google specifically excludes one of the keywords for the first few results. You can click a thing in the results to add it back. If it type in {rear end magician} I want results with rear end and magician, not “rear end magician” as a phrase. What Google is doing is showing results for {rear end -magician} on the first page and then transitioning to {rear end magician}. Tiny Timbs fucked around with this message at 14:39 on Nov 26, 2019 |
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Nov 26, 2019 14:35
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It shouldn't be surprising that many hardcore gamers are rejecting Stadia, at least with the current catalog and feature set, while the filthy casuals are embracing it. The "psychologist" is right that the hardcore gamers view streaming as an existential threat to their identity. If it did not, we would not be seeing the vitriol. Why do they care so much or react so negatively? Hardcore gamers want the best graphics, no matter the cost and inconvenience - Stadia does not offer much in this regard today that existing platforms do not, only things that the hardcore view as negatives - reliance on a consistent connection, lack of graphical improvements (today), unfamiliar pricing. Stadia games will probably not be competitive vs retail pricing (consistent loss leaders) or shady steam key sites. It is unfortunate at launch that some of big titles didn't live up to the performance hype, but I am hopeful that as developers become more familiar with Stadia the game graphics quality will improve as is typical with almost all new platform launches. People seem to forget that a huge chunk of most new platform launches is made up of last gen titles shittily optimized for the new platform. I think Stadia games also need to demonstrate a unique feature set. That said the fact of the matter is - it works today and I, at least, enjoy playing it and am getting something out of it that no other system can provide - freedom to play wherever I want (provided there's a good wifi connection  ) on whatever device I want (provided I have a pixel, which I do lol).EDIT - As an addendum on the Stadia threat to gamer identity - people also enjoy building PCs as a hobby and if PC gaming were to go away (which never will, even if Stadia were to become a success) that would threaten their hobby and significant part of their life hostile apostle fucked around with this message at 15:03 on Nov 26, 2019 |
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Nov 26, 2019 14:40
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Barudak posted:This feels too embarassing for Edelman, somehow Who ever it is, nobody is paying them to stop. Fresh crop this morning. quote:I’ve had Stadia for a few days, but today I finally had my epiphany. quote:Great job Google! quote:Thanks Google, the revolution has begun! 
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Nov 26, 2019 14:46
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Occam's razor would say - maybe people just like it! As crazy as it sounds.
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Nov 26, 2019 14:59
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hostile apostle posted:Occam's razor would say - maybe people just like it! As crazy as it sounds. No Occam's razor says the simplest explanation is they are shills
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Nov 26, 2019 15:06
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hostile apostle posted:Occam's razor would say - maybe people just like it! As crazy as it sounds. quote:Flawless from Sweden Hello from REGION everything is perfect. I am a real GAMER, let me prove it: SWEARWORD. I love PRODUCT its so great. Lets all keep up this positive result for PRODUCT. its soo good am I right GAMERS. time for FORWARD LOOKING STATEMENT OF SUCCESS
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hostile apostle posted:It shouldn't be surprising that many hardcore gamers are rejecting Stadia, at least with the current catalog and feature set, while the filthy casuals are embracing it. "Casuals" aren't even aware that it exists, and they're certainly not the people who shelled out $130 on a preorder months in advance and/or are okay with paying a subscription fee on top of full-priced games for 4K streaming. The people who bought into Stadia so far are gamers who got suckered by the pre-launch lies about performance (who justifiably aren't happy), and tech dorks who wanted to mess around with the technology (who are mixed and also likely to be more forgiving). The test for whether or not the FIFA n' CoD crew give a poo poo has yet to happen.
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Nov 26, 2019 15:12
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People definitely talk like that and also Love Brands Edit: 
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Nov 26, 2019 15:14
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BONESAWWWWWW posted:People definitely talk like that and also Love Brands Brands are modern day tribes, people like to belong.
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Nov 26, 2019 15:22
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shadow puppet of a posted:Hello from REGION So, in summary it works for this person, and you find that unbelievable because there's no possible way it could work for anyone.
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sethsez posted:"Casuals" aren't even aware that it exists, and they're certainly not the people who shelled out $130 on a preorder months in advance and/or are okay with paying a subscription fee on top of full-priced games for 4K streaming. The people who bought into Stadia so far are gamers who got suckered by the pre-launch lies about performance (who justifiably aren't happy), and tech dorks who wanted to mess around with the technology (who are mixed and also likely to be more forgiving). The test for whether or not the FIFA n' CoD crew give a poo poo has yet to happen. Stadia needs a killer app, but that doesn't take away the fact that the experience leans heavily on network quality, and I can only imagine how lovely it must be running Stadia on a data-capped connection. But I do have a positive user experience to share: a friend of mine preordered Stadia the same time as I, and he got his stuff yesterday (I decided to cancel mine). He played AssCreed yesterday for three hours and out of those two he forgot he was playing a streamed game (he has a 100mbit line). He's been gaming since mid-80's, so he's not entirely new to the hobby, either. He reckons it's good enough and if Google manages to stick with it, they'll improve. For him, buying the games isn't an issue, partially because he can afford it, and partially because he doesn't really care about Game Pass -style access to a massive library (he probably wouldn't mind it, it's simply not a deal-breaker for him). He was enamored with the performance as well, but after testing he was thinking that yeah, either the hardware isn't what it's supposed to be, or the ports are not terribly good yet.
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hostile apostle posted:So, in summary it works for this person, and you find that unbelievable because there's no possible way it could work for anyone. I 100% believe it works for that person as they made that post inside Google HQ while making every single one of those posts themselves, and right in the middle of the out of touch tech bubble is the place Stadia has the best chance of operating successfully.
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Nov 26, 2019 16:15
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hostile apostle posted:So, in summary it works for this person, and you find that unbelievable because there's no possible way it could work for anyone. It working for some people is not the problem. For the product to be successful, especially with google, it needs to be working for millions of people or else Google loses interest and quietly shuts it down. This is the part you do not understand. It doesn't matter that it works and will work for more in the future. It needs to be the topic of board meetings and how to monetize it better. The problem is this is Google, they are going to not do a hell of a lot, and there's other products that do the same thing but better already at market.
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pixaal posted:The problem is this is Google, they are going to not do a hell of a lot, and there's other products that do the same thing but better already at market. You're comparing a day 1 service to mature services and ecosystems from businesses that have been doing this for over a decade. Let's see where things are in a year. Google hasn't spent years and a ton of money to build the infrastructure to "not do a hell of a lot" and give up day 1. Google is not so naive to think it would be easy to displace the behemoth incumbents in a multi-billion dollar industry. This is a live service - not some fixed spec piece of hardware that will never see any changes or incremental features.
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shadow puppet of a posted:Hello from REGION While there's tons of genuine astroturfing accounts on Reddit, I think this one is real. They submitted this Hard Times article: "Elon Musk Unveils Supercomputer Capable of Simulating Entire Universe or Running PUBG on Medium Graphics" ...and thought it was real until the satire was explained to them. https://thehardtimes.net/harddrive/elon-musk-unveils-supercomputer-capable-simulating-entire-universe-running-pubg-medium-graphics/
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hostile apostle posted:You're comparing a day 1 service to mature services and ecosystems from businesses that have been doing this for a decade or more. Let's see where things are in a year. Google hasn't spent years and a ton of money to build the infrastructure to "not do a hell of a lot" and give up day 1. This is a live service - not some fixed spec piece of hardware that will never see any changes or incremental features. that's just blatantly untrue. geforce now is in beta. xCloud is in beta. PS Now is the only mature one. and i could dig up your own posts touting googles "years of experience in gaming (android)" quote:Google hasn't spent years and a ton of money to build the infrastructure to "not do a hell of a lot" and give up day 1 Actually one of the most claims levied about the service is that they didn't actually build the infrastructure, but instead found a way to repurpose their aging Vega 64 GPUs, and the performance absolutely matches that hypothesis.
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charity rereg posted:that's just blatantly untrue. geforce now is in beta. xCloud is in beta. PS Now is the only mature one. and i could dig up your own posts touting googles "years of experience in gaming (android)" Wut - I'm pretty sure pixaal was referring to PC/Console which is what I was speaking to. But since you want to go there - Geforce Now and Xcloud are doing the same thing but bettter? Source your quotes. Xcloud is non-existent other than limited beta 720P on android phones. They are a year behind Google - they are not even at project stream level of capabilities.
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hostile apostle posted:You're comparing a day 1 service to mature services and ecosystems from businesses that have been doing this for over a decade. Let's see where things are in a year. Google hasn't spent years and a ton of money to build the infrastructure to "not do a hell of a lot" and give up day 1. Google is not so naive to think it would be easy to displace the behemoth incumbents in a multi-billion dollar industry. This is a live service - not some fixed spec piece of hardware that will never see any changes or incremental features. You don't get to show up with a worse service offering than incumbents, though, especially with no advantages to show for it. Business isn't "fair", Google doesn't get a pass on a subpar service because they're "new" without any advantages being offered. PSNow and PS4 Remote Play are mature streaming services that have been a sellable product for over five years and in beta for longer. The only appreciable thing Google does better is running directly within Chrome instead of needing an app, but PS4 Remote Play is available on all modern Android and iOS devices. And at least for me, PSNow is less laggy. univbee fucked around with this message at 16:38 on Nov 26, 2019 |
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univbee posted:You don't get to show up with a worse service offering than incumbents, though, especially with no advantages to show for it. Business isn't "fair", Google doesn't get a pass on a subpar service because they're "new" without any advantages being offered. At launch, Stadia has limited (today) / no upfront cost (early next year), or the ability to play on any device in any location with a solid connection. 5G will also change that, provided it lives up to the hype (might be a tall order). Neither XB or PS, or their next gen, will offer that. More will be coming.
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I was going to make a boring post but persona 5 is on psnow???? That might actually be worth trying out, seems like a good fit.
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Nov 26, 2019 16:42
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hostile apostle posted:At launch, Stadia has limited (today) / no upfront cost (early next year), or the ability to play on any device in any location with a solid connection. 5G will also change that, provided it lives up to the hype (might be a tall order). Neither XB or PS, or their next gen, will offer that. "Any device" except for most Android phones, iPhones, any handheld console, anything you hook up to a TV that isn't a PC or Chromecast Ultra... Meanwhile I was playing my PS4 games remotely back in 2014, on a greater range of devices.
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hostile apostle posted:Wut - I'm pretty sure pixaal was referring to PC/Console which is what I was speaking to. Actually no I was referring to PSNow, but also several services that work just fine where you buy games and run them on their servers. They worked better than the assassin's creed demo did for me. I used Liquidsky for a bit it worked fantastic. Liquidsky is no longer in business because turns out not enough people want to pay to stream games. The assassin's creed demo was abysmal. I've heard good things about Geforce Now and Xcloud but have not tried them but am very much going to say both companies will give this time to mature, Google never gives a product time to mature. If it's not popular Google doesn't update it until it is popular, normally condemning the project to a slow death.
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Actually, this has been a success and not a failure. People are actually wrong when they say they don't like it and that it is bad. Google isn't failing, they're actually succeeding and are years ahead of their competition. It's also not expensive, it's actually very reasonably priced and is in fact better priced than any alternative, even free services like GeForce Now. I swear, google fans are loving crazy. Other than search and maps, they always fail.
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hostile apostle posted:It shouldn't be surprising that many hardcore gamers are rejecting Stadia, at least with the current catalog and feature set, while the filthy casuals are embracing it. The "psychologist" is right that the hardcore gamers view streaming as an existential threat to their identity. If it did not, we would not be seeing the vitriol. Why do they care so much or react so negatively? Hardcore gamers want the best graphics, no matter the cost and inconvenience - Stadia does not offer much in this regard today that existing platforms do not, only things that the hardcore view as negatives - reliance on a consistent connection, lack of graphical improvements (today), unfamiliar pricing. Stadia games will probably not be competitive vs retail pricing (consistent loss leaders) or shady steam key sites. "Threatens them"? I guess if you consider that the games could vanish at any given moment, given lovely internet and/or Google's propensity for shutting down its projects. Otherwise how would people who play games be threatened by another way to play those games?
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hostile apostle posted:So, in summary it works for this person, and you find that unbelievable because there's no possible way it could work for anyone. I absolutely believe Stadia works great for some people, including you. I also believe that even if it works properly, it is such an incredibly obvious ripoff that you should feel ashamed of yourself for spending money on it. In all of your posts defending Stadia, you haven't even begun to address the actual value proposition. Google isn't first to market. How does it compare against Geforce Now, Playstation Now or xCloud?
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hostile apostle posted:At launch, Stadia has limited (today) / no upfront cost (early next year), or the ability to play on any device in any location with a solid connection. 5G will also change that, provided it lives up to the hype (might be a tall order). Neither XB or PS, or their next gen, will offer that. PS Now already offers that. xCloud is in beta, but also offers exactly that. Steam Link Anywhere will let you do exactly that with any gaming PC.
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hostile apostle posted:Google hasn't spent years and a ton of money to build the infrastructure to "not do a hell of a lot" and give up day 1. Google is not so naive to think it would be easy to displace the behemoth incumbents in a multi-billion dollar industry. This is a live service - not some fixed spec piece of hardware that will never see any changes or incremental features. Have you actually ever used any other streaming services? Google might not be naive, but they're clearly leaning on the Apple Reality Distortion Field. Every single piece of media they've put out makes it sound like they invented game streaming, and this is an entirely new idea. They know they can't compete on features, pricing, stability or game library, so they're waving their hands around and acting like the competition doesn't exist.
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