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ughhhh posted:Had a 1060 with an arctic acellero II wich was whisper quite under load. Just upgraded to a 2070 super FE and am not very happy with the noise. Even with the accellero II it's a bit much for me. How reliable and quite are AIO's on a gpu these days? Would it be a relatively easy setup? From what I understand they're pretty simple, I know NZXT had a mount for an AIO you could use with practically any AMD/NVidia card, then you could buy your own AIO to strap to it. Most people use a 120mm AIO unit & either mount the radiator on the back or side of the case if they have that option, since some of the tubes for AIOs going to the pump itself can be shorter depending on manufacturer.
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TheFluff posted:Is there a list somewhere of 2080/2080S/2080Ti cards by max power budget? Looking more into what to buy to go with a G12 bracket, since the temperature limit shouldn't be an issue anymore. I've seen some conflicting reports though at least for the 2080Ti, whether the power limit is actually an issue or not - Gamersnexus reported that their hybrid mod was bumping off the power limit all the time, but I've seen others report that higher power limits are pointless. This is the 2080 ti list but has links for the 2080 at the top. https://www.overclock.net/forum/69-nvidia/1706276-official-nvidia-rtx-2080-ti-owner-s-club.html
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Klyith posted:edit2: or are these like the mini-launchers that come with individual games, like that show some options and a start game button? I could see those activating because they live in the same place as the game or are the main exe for the game. In that case just don't open those if you're not gonna play the game. Mostly this. Serious business platforms like Steam have long since figured out how to play nice with power saving options for the most part. The (occasional) problem for me has been forgetting that it's open because I popped up some other window on top of it. Even if it's not really rendering anything, just powering the dGPU at 0% instead of shutting it off is a substantial battery drain, which is an annoyance when I forget to close out of it entirely and then wander off to doodle around on the web while on a train or whatnot and suddenly notice I've gone through twice the battery I should have in the last hour. It's a totally avoidable problem, but I was just tossing out the one (and really only) use I could think of for disabling HW acceleration for a launcher other than random compatibility issues.
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BOOTY-ADE posted:From what I understand they're pretty simple, I know NZXT had a mount for an AIO you could use with practically any AMD/NVidia card, then you could buy your own AIO to strap to it. Yeah, they're dead simple these days, the possible need for VRAM heatsinks aside when using the G10/12 (factory-installed ones, like the EVGA Hybrid series, already have solutions for that). Once set up, they're highly reliable out to about the 5 year mark, at which point normal wear and tear, deterioration, and unavoidable very slow liquid loss will probably recommend a replacement of the AIO.
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Indiana_Krom posted:The 144 Hz / 60 Hz issue is a windows software limitation and not anything to do with hardware, disabling hardware acceleration is a workaround that avoids the issue at the expense of increasing the burden on the CPU. If you have enough CPU cycles to spare it increases the CPU power consumption but otherwise should work fine, if you don't have CPU cycles to spare then it steals time slices away from whatever 144 Hz thing is running on the other screen and performance is reduced. Although the performance reduction is probably not as much as running in to the 60 Hz limitation would be so it is a trade off you need to test per machine and per application. Very roughly I would say 3-5% only at the highest end anyway where my system is fully CPU bound. In places I would get 144fps I get a 135-144 jump, but it's not a big deal with freesync. I assume in every direction my issue would improve going from Ryzen 2600 to 3600 especially since it would lift or alleviate the CPU bottleneck at 144hz, but whatever I have absolutely no complaints, it's worth the tradeoff for me.
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B-Mac posted:This is the 2080 ti list but has links for the 2080 at the top. Dang, that's handy - should've thought to check overclock.net. Thanks!
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Statutory Ape posted:This question could probably go in a few threads; Always disable hardware acceleration in those launchers or other windows that are on your screen as they will always give you noticeable frame drops if you are trying to have smooth 120fps in games. It's not really lowered performance but just the game become somewhat choppy or 'unsmooth' even if you are getting high enough fps.
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Encrypted posted:Always disable hardware acceleration in those launchers or other windows that are on your screen as they will always give you noticeable frame drops if you are trying to have smooth 120fps in games. This is nonsense. Every window in Windows is hardware accelerated. Even if it's rendering itself in software, the OS just copies that to a texture before it renders the desktop using the same calls and techniques used for 3D scenes and games. A window is a two triangle textured surface. Windows has done this since Vista. MacOS and every modern Linux window management system do the same thing. It's possible there are some really terrible launchers out there that might have a performance impact. But, as a general rule, you're not saving any resources. Your "increased smoothness" is a placebo.
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Nov 24, 2019 23:38
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Might not be placebo but an early sign of an issue with a data drive or just a bloated system. Definitely not an inherent hardware acceleration problem though
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Nov 24, 2019 23:40
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its sad when this topic is more divisive than amd vs nvidia itt
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I could believe disabling hardware acceleration increases performance because it also forces some poorly done overlay to turn off. for example: Klyith posted:isn't the discord desktop app still electron? they must be abusing the gently caress out that to make it do game overlays. lol discord. lovely software can gently caress up anything. Not because it's using up the vital hardware acceleration resources. Because it's poo poo.
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I frequently disable hw acceleration to get rid of the Shadowplay overlay in non-games. Sadly I can't do it in everything. Ryzen Master and Handbrake are two that always have the GFE hud visible in the bottom right corner of the window and the tooltips. Unreal 4 editor used to have that hud everywhere across the window as well but maybe it has been fixed in the past year.
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Nov 25, 2019 01:10
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Klyith posted:I could believe disabling hardware acceleration increases performance because it also forces some poorly done overlay to turn off. lol speaking of, well, exactly discord and its overlay: it took me forever to realize that the discord overlay (which i couldnt actually even see anywhere) was capturing the keyboard from my game and making it non responsive fml that took awhile to figure out
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Nov 25, 2019 02:16
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Klyith posted:I could believe disabling hardware acceleration increases performance because it also forces some poorly done overlay to turn off. Pretty much all the game launchers are web apps run on Chromium, Steam included.
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Arzachel posted:Pretty much all the game launchers are web apps run on Chromium, Steam included. Nah, there's a huge difference between programs that contain chromium, and Electron apps that run inside chromium. Steam uses chromium to do what it's good at, displaying web pages. It isn't using loving javascript to make an directx overlay or handle the patching system.
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Klyith posted:Nah, there's a huge difference between programs that contain chromium, and Electron apps that run inside chromium. As far as I know, most of the Steam client's ui is just that - web pages rendered in Chromium. And Discord is calling a native library for overlay injection which I guess counts as "using javascript" in the loosest sense possible?
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Arzachel posted:As far as I know, most of the Steam client's ui is just that - web pages rendered in Chromium. Most of Steam's UI is valve's VGUI, which is not a chromuim web page. Much of the surface area is chromium pages, like the store and I think the new library view (which can't be skinned anymore). But as I said there's a difference between chromium at the bottom to display UI, versus at the top with your whole program running inside it. All I know is that I've never contemplated needing to turn off hardware acceleration in steam, and that every electron app I've ever touched has generally made me feel like I'm on a pc from 1999. Atom was what finally convinced me to buy sublime text. I understand why discord uses electron -- so they can have the same code run both the web and local app. But IMO it's a garbage way to make local programs.
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Klyith posted:like the store and I think the new library view (which can't be skinned anymore). I don't think this is true. I'm running the metro theme w/ the patcher that allows both the library and the friends list to be themed.
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Stanley Pain posted:I don't think this is true. I'm running the metro theme w/ the patcher that allows both the library and the friends list to be themed.
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Sininu posted:At least the unofficial patch doesn't do anything to the new UI. Can you take a screen of the themed library and friends list and link the patcher? Here's what it looks like.  https://steamcommunity.com/groups/metroskin/discussions/0/141136086931804907/ Check the discord for instructions. I use the installer to get the Skin, and the patcher to patch the friends list, library.
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Nov 25, 2019 23:03
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Welp, I was hoping to grab a new GPU on a holiday sale or something but my R390 said "lol nope" and died. Just popped in a PowerColor Radeon 5700 Red Dragon. Feels good, man. Although I have to complain that the GPU's box art simply being a tastefully drawn dragon logo against a black background is too understated. It's almost classy. I was hoping for a giant rendered disembodied neon colored eyeball or maybe a huge chested metallic-skinned Barbie look-a-like.
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Fabulousity posted:Just popped in a PowerColor Radeon 5700 Red Dragon. Feels good, man. Ah the choice of champions. Could you please gauge how audible yours is at stock settings, during a demanding game?
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Fabulousity posted:Welp, I was hoping to grab a new GPU on a holiday sale or something but my R390 said "lol nope" and died. Sadly, it looks like the bathroom GPU image is dead. Also, reading pre-launch comments on the 2000 series is kinda amusing.
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sauer kraut posted:Ah the choice of champions. With out-of-the-box settings I ran the Civ VI GPU benchmark and the fans topped out at 1500 RPM and weren't at all audible over the case fans/CPU fan. Messing with the fan speeds manually they start to become just audible over ambient case sound around ~2100 RPM and are pretty loud at the maximum 3200 RPM. I'm not running a very quiet case to begin with so your mileage may vary.
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ItBreathes posted:Sadly, it looks like the bathroom GPU image is dead. . . . "bathroom GPU image"? And here I thought I was just beginning to understand this thread and its lingo . . . 
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Zarin posted:. . . "bathroom GPU image"? https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3819901&pagenumber=168&perpage=40#post492921243 Picture this, on an old ATI box.
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ItBreathes posted:https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3819901&pagenumber=168&perpage=40#post492921243  I actually assumed it came from a video game or something, until I read the next three pages. Wowee.
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Fabulousity posted:Welp, I was hoping to grab a new GPU on a holiday sale or something but my R390 said "lol nope" and died. Remembering the good times: 
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GeForce 441.41 enables sharpening on OpenGL and Vulkan so it should work with more or less everything now.
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repiv posted:GeForce 441.41 enables sharpening on OpenGL and Vulkan so it should work with more or less everything now. How much sharpening do I need to make everything look like the bathroom?
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Zarin posted:
It gets better, go back to the beginning.
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Geemer posted:How much sharpening do I need to make everything look like the bathroom? Just enough to kill the mold near the tub, but not so much as to put off the females from swooning. So I'd say turn that slider to Ultra, but not Ultra MAXX.
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There's some great old GPU boxes, and they're becoming collectible too. I found this at a thrift store for $5 and sold it on eBay to a European collector for $100: 
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Geemer posted:How much sharpening do I need to make everything look like the bathroom? GPUs can't support that level of HDR yet. They're working on it for DirectX 13 though.
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pzy posted:There's some great old GPU boxes, and they're becoming collectible too. Memories
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Klyith posted:GPUs can't support that level of HDR yet. They're working on it for DirectX 13 though. I can't believe bEatmstrJ actually leaked 3DMark's new DX13 benchmark "Bathroom" so long before the completion of the requisite version of Direct X.
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lol remember when they marketed graphics cards for playing hl2, which then got delayed an entire year and better cards were out by the time it shipped on an unrelated note time to buy a vr headset for hl:alyx in 4 months, what could possibly go wrong
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repiv posted:lol remember when they marketed graphics cards for playing hl2, which then got delayed an entire year and better cards were out by the time it shipped Soon(tm) will, that's what.
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HL:Eli would have been a super interesting VR experience.
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Lmk when I can crab somebody's head
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