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univbee posted:Correct. There are two main technical barriers specific to game streaming (that you don't have when just streaming audio or video passively like with Netflix/YouTube/Podcasts etc. even for live events), both of which have the same core problem. The more important factor is that your streaming game service cannot actually do anything to fix network problems. They're built around what's functionally the old "spherical egg in a vacuum" mode for ideal network conditions, and the actual network between your device and their servers is both anything but and owned by a third party who gives zero fucks about optimal network infrastructure design because it's expensive.
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univbee posted:Pfff, maybe on your phone You're right. Maybe if I had a Google Pixel® 4, a Google Pixel® 5, a Google Pixel® XL, a Google Pixel M®, or a Google Pixel® Q, perhaps it would look different on Google® Stadia®
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hostile apostle posted:So, in your opinion people want to play AAA games in 720P on small screen phones on wifi next to their 4K TVs and laptops. What people want, and what stadia should be trying to sell, is the convenience. It being higher res is very much secondary to that, and most people aren’t getting the convenience. I know you’re a true believer but gently caress me how can you not just listen to other people’s experiences?
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CJacobs posted:Why the hell would I care what resolution something is if I'm playing it on my phone, the screen is like a couple inches wide They also look identical on stadia.
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:I know you’re a true believer but gently caress me how can you not just listen to other people’s experiences? He's paid to ignore them. 
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:What people want, and what stadia should be trying to sell, is the convenience. It being higher res is very much secondary to that, and most people aren’t getting the convenience. How do you define convenience, in this case? And apparently dismissing a post with a link and some edgy remark with no substance is not listening to experiences?
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hostile apostle posted:So, in your opinion people want to play AAA games in 720P on small screen phones on wifi next to their 4K TVs and laptops. https://twitter.com/Danielman20/status/1186324211859705858 https://twitter.com/N4G/status/1133007162710663168 https://twitter.com/SpawnWaveMedia/status/908480186672467969 Yes.
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Here's the thing - people who care about 4k gaming are likely people who have consoles, and streaming is not the best option for that crowd. People who might be interested in playing on the phones are either people who are not always by their consoles, or are people who don't care about the best quality.
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I said it before but streaming will continue to be second fiddle to actual hardware for a long time and the only way it'll work in the next decade is by tying it to an already existing ecosystem. The only way you'll deal with the increase latency, degraded visuals, and general wonkyness is if you can come back to the main system and play without those issues seamlessly. The reason you compromised in the first place was because you couldn't take the console/pc with you Google knows they didn't have this, so they just bullshitted everyone by making them think that stadia can be a substitution for consoles/pcs
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Cemetry Gator posted:Here's the thing - people who care about 4k gaming are likely people who have consoles, Hahahaha ha wow
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:Hahahaha ha wow I mean, fair. The One X and Pro struggle to hit 4K as it is. The rest of the consoles don’t at all. PCs hit 4K if you really want them to but those are rarely attached to TVs and the PC market is mostly MMOs and The Sims and whatnot, full of people who don’t care about 4K or precise input. This makes Stadia’s 4K centric hardcore gamer marketing all the more baffling. They promised something few people care much about and then failed to deliver it.
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let me stream a game over the internet like a dumbass
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hostile apostle posted:How do you define convenience, in this case? The stadia is not convenient for a shitload of people because the games are unplayable for them my dude, and we both know that’s not nearly the only thing posted in this thread you’ve straight up ignored.
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:The stadia is not convenient for a shitload of people because the games are unplayable for them my dude, and we both know that’s not nearly the only thing posted in this thread you’ve straight up ignored. So your response to my question is just to spout nonsense. They seem perfectly playable to me and others in this thread who have actually used the service You didn't answer my question about how you define convenience.
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Go to sleep apostle. By the way 1444
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hostile apostle posted:So your response to my question is just to spout nonsense. They seem perfectly playable to me and others in this thread who have actually used the service Person A is not Person B. The people who it works for have better internet connections than the ones who it doesn't work for. As it is not consistently viable for users based on using Stadia alone vs purchasing a console or PC, it is less convenient for gameplay.
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what game will be stadia's Amazing Frog
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The 7th Guest posted:what game will be stadia's Amazing Frog RDR2
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how do i see stadia's game prices?? i went to https://store.google.com/product/stadia_games and it just shows a list of games with no prices what's the price on witcher 3? very convenient service indeed edit: is witcher 3 even out for htis piece of poo poo
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ethanol posted:how do i see stadia's game prices?? Why do you care eth? Did you pawn your pc for pizza again?
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no i wanted to see if witcher 3 was full price for a 5 year old game the 9900k/2080 is doin gods work thnx, not like stadia
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ethanol posted:how do i see stadia's game prices?? Witcher 3 is not a Stadia title. Cyberpunk 2077 will be, though. AFAIK the only way to tell the prices is through the app with an active Stadia account (i.e. at this time you need a Founder's pass or Buddy pass). I think by and large the prices are full SRP across the board. Discounts through Black Friday weren't terribly significant for the most part, like rear end Creed and NBA 2K20 were 50% off (so still $30US for the basic editions) and Final Fantasy 15 was a whole $10 off ($30 as well I think, yay). They want like $50US for Just Dance 2020. They have the same excessive editions and pricing as on other platforms, too, so like they have a Legend Edition for NBA 2K20 and an Ultimate Edition of rear end Creed that's like $120US or something. I'm guessing with these since I can only see CAD prices, but it's rough all around, and uPlay+ isn't yet an option for the Ubisoft titles.
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univbee posted:- User (you) presses a button, let's say a jump button. With Stadia this seems more like this: The game is continusly playing and rendering frames. If no input is provided by the client, the game asume the most reasonable input. Stadia serverside is continuosly compressing the image. Imagen is streamed to a remote device (like chromecast) What happens when the frame is already rendered and the input is the wrong assumption?, I believe in most games the input is queued, but Google talked about re-rendering the frame. So the Stadia latency woulbe something like = ((worst case scenario * M) + (best case scenario* N)) / (N+M) where M >> N The main difference with what you describe is that the server don't wait for server input to render frames, in some cases that will lead to the frame being correct, so the time to render that frame will be "zero". What you describe is like the worst case scenario, where the server always predict wrong the player actions. Tei fucked around with this message at 13:52 on Dec 4, 2019 |
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I think I mentioned this before, but some modern emulators of the "SNES and other video games" variety have started offering read-ahead for some crazy poo poo. Here's a good video explanation and demonstration by the author of the most accurate SNES emulator. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AvOa8yt6Vc The resources you need for this are pretty nuts, though, by and large it involves being able to run your software in two (or more) instances that are one frame off from each-other, and being able to run instances faster than real time to catch up 1 frame when required.
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hostile apostle posted:How do you define convenience, in this case? Not having to spend $500 to re-buy your games collection would be pretty convenient. doingitwrong posted:PCs hit 4K if you really want them to but those are rarely attached to TVs and the PC market is mostly MMOs and The Sims and whatnot, full of people who don’t care about 4K or precise input. lol this is a pretty great troll
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Person A is not Person B. The people who it works for have better internet connections than the ones who it doesn't work for. As it is not consistently viable for users based on using Stadia alone vs purchasing a console or PC, it is less convenient for gameplay. Person B is a something awful forum troll who has never used the service. Are you redefining convenience now? Before it was being argued that Xcloud was more convenient, yet no one has said why, only presented irrelevant strawmen. I thought it was about be able to play on any device in an array of location and settings Stadia seemed to be pretty convenient this past weekend when I was able to play at the airport when my flight was delayed with all the crazy weather. Worked pretty drat well. Completed two nightfall strikes in D2 with barely a hiccup.
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hostile apostle posted:Person B is a something awful forum troll who has never used the service.
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hostile apostle posted:Person B is a something awful forum troll who has never used the service. Playing in an airport, you're going to be stuck with a 720p stream. At that point, the only functional difference between Stadia and xCloud is price. Assuming you're playing the free version of D2, it's pretty obvious who wins here, considering xcloud is free. Yeah, it's a beta, yeah, they'll charge something for it eventually, but right at this moment, it's free. Stadia is not free. You paid $130 for the experience. Stadia's already in the losing column here. Oh wait, except I forgot about population silos. You see, Destiny 2 is a multiplayer game, and the quality of your experience greatly depends on the available community. With xCloud, you can play with the whole xbox userbase. If you already have a character and a clan and a big exotic collection, well hooray because it's just like playing on your xbox. If you don't, well hooray because there are plenty of other people around to help you with that. Stadia on the other hand... well, no. I don't even want to think about what the comp queue times are like on Stadia, assuming anyone even bothers. Good luck getting that Recluse! These are points that have already been brought up here. They're not irrelevant strawmen, you just don't like them so you're ignoring them.
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:Playing in an airport, you're going to be stuck with a 720p stream. At that point, the only functional difference between Stadia and xCloud is price. Assuming you're playing the free version of D2, it's pretty obvious who wins here, considering xcloud is free. Yeah, it's a beta, yeah, they'll charge something for it eventually, but right at this moment, it's free. Ok, just so I get this straight, now the argument is Xcloud open beta is temporarily "free" and multiplayer population. The story changes with each post Any new platform will be disadvantaged on population counts, that is true. Stadia could make itself free tomorrow and that would certainly help population counts, but that doesn't make it a sustainable business or platform. hostile apostle fucked around with this message at 17:01 on Dec 4, 2019 |
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^^^Why are you doing this? cams posted:when you make posts i laugh at them because they are very funny, please keep doing it Also someone got them a really good avatar 
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Harry Potter on Ice posted:^^^Why are you doing this? Because instead of this thread being populated with people who actually use the service and want to talk about it, it's taken over by trolls.
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hostile apostle posted:Because instead of this thread being populated with people who actually use the service and want to talk about it, it's taken over by trolls. an overwhelming number of people think the service is a joke, you say?
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hostile apostle posted:Because instead of this thread being populated with people who actually use the service and want to talk about it, it's taken over by trolls. Going by the thread title, or any of the previous ones, what exactly were you expecting? Its not like goons were excited about this at any point.
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quote:You didn't answer my question about how you define convenience. Speaking of, do you think games you purchase on Stadia will be available/usable in ten years?
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hostile apostle posted:Ok, just so I get this straight, now the argument is Xcloud open beta is temporarily "free" and multiplayer population. The story changes with each post Any new platform will be disadvantaged on population counts, that is true. Stadia could make itself free tomorrow and that would certainly help population counts, but that doesn't make it a sustainable business or platform. I don't know if it's "the argument", but it's the argument i'm making right now, so why not address it? I can think of a lot of arguments against Stadia, I'm not sure why you think it's important to stick to only a few. I agree, you're correct that making Stadia free would help multiplayer population. Considering that both Nvidia and Microsoft are running open, free betas for their versions of this idea, why do you think Google decided not to do that? How important do you think it is that Stadia is financially successful in the short term?
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hostile apostle posted:Because instead of this thread being populated with people who actually use the service and want to talk about it, it's taken over by trolls. I didn’t expect you to come out and admit you bought out the user account to be an astroturfing shill, but here we are.
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hostile apostle posted:Because instead of this thread being populated with people who actually use the service and want to talk about it, it's taken over by trolls. Real talk, if you really, truly want that, go post on the Stadia subreddit. Arguing with people on the internet just makes them want to argue more. ESPECIALLY on SA.
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Klyith posted:lol this is a pretty great troll In the November Steam hardware survey, the most popular resolution is 1080p. 64% of users have it. https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey 4K clocks in at 1.84%
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hostile apostle posted:Because instead of this thread being populated with people who actually use the service and want to talk about it, it's taken over by trolls. Wrong. Its been taken over by gleeful failure spectators. Very different from a troll. I don't care about making you angry, I just want to read about one bonehead pr move after another suffocating the product.
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