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...! posted:This is like saying "Livejournal reviewer is a believer now." At least the word "believer" does imply that you're starting to understand that you're in a cult now. Well, if hostile apostle wasn't a believer I would have asked Lowtax for a refund by now. Edit: Oh hey hello new page! 1443 reasons to come to this thread but the gaming properties of stadia aren't one.
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CJacobs posted:He can pry my gaming PC from my cold dead shelf where I keep it because the case is heavy and full of fans for good airflow luddite
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limaCAT posted:But of course the phone, but we are talking about the incredible GOOGLE PIXEL PHONE line, will also run Stadia. Checkmate, atheists! A friend of mine sent his Pixel in for repair at the beginning of September and has not gotten it back. Amazing support like this tells me Stadia is in good hands.
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gschmidl posted:A friend of mine sent his Pixel in for repair at the beginning of September and has not gotten it back. Amazing support like this tells me Stadia is in good hands. How does your friend DARE to say that the goons that tried Stadia and say it's ok are wrong?
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Gets on the cybertruck, start running down the main road blaring his horn and yelling at the people YOU DON'T HAVE TO SPEND 40.000 EUROS FOR PLAYING IN 4K JUST BUY STADIA THE NEW CHROMECAST FROM GOOGLE THE INVENTORS OF INTERNET AND VIDEOGAMES.
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limaCAT posted:How does your friend DARE to say that the goons that tried Stadia and say it's ok are wrong? nah man, his friend is just a troll, that's why he doesn't want to slam into his data cap like the kool-aid man e: no wait I reread the post that's somehow worse.  that phone
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limaCAT posted:Gets on the cybertruck, start running down the main road blaring his horn and yelling at the people Ohh, is "4K" how much a comparable computer costs and not Stadia's resolution...  at the new thread title too.
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...! posted:You do know that forbes.com is a blog, right? Right? This is a bad argument. I’m pretty sure Forbes pays their bloggers or at least their “senior contributors”. There are editors vetting the work. Paul is as legit a journalist as any gaming journalist. Certainly enough of a journalist to get Google tech support, which no ordinary person or LiveJournal user would have. quote:I was lucky I had a direct line of communication with some of the highest-up folks working on Stadia to help me fix this over the course of the last few weeks, yet most people won’t have access to that. The funnier and better takedown, as Harry Potter on Ice points out, is that when you read the article, Paul isn’t a believer at all. You have to be a specific kind of apostolic reader to read quote:I now can see a future where game streaming, like video streaming, is the norm. Whether it will be Stadia leading us there, I don’t know, but I’m going to keep testing this tech as time goes on and see where it takes us. and think “YEAH, this guy’s ALL IN”
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doingitwrong posted:This is a bad argument. I’m pretty sure Forbes pays their bloggers or at least their “senior contributors”. There are editors vetting the work. I was surprised, too! I only ever heard of Forbes in the context of a somewhat reliable financial magazine, but apparently that's a used-to-be.
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hostile apostle posted:Forbes reviewer, who skewered Stadia on release, is a believer now: 
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"CJacobs" posted:An absolute cutting edge gaming PC that will last you for probably the next decade costs maybe 800 dollars max Okay. What's a 2070 going for 350ish, a 2080 is around 500. So that and 2 sticks of 16gb ram and you're close to $6-700. Guess you don't need a motherboard or cpu or anything. I mean you can probably Walk into Best buy and get an amd gaming PC with an rgb light inside for $800-900 with like a 1660 or ryzen csrd and you and 16gb of ram. You can get an absolute starting gaming PC capable of 1080p on most of today's games for like $800. "Cutting edge" is going to be close to 1500 to enter.. tater_salad fucked around with this message at 12:43 on Dec 5, 2019 |
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tater_salad posted:Okay. What's a 2070 going for 350ish, a 2080 is around 500. So that and 2 sticks of ram and you're close to $800. Guess you don't need a motherboard or cpu or anything. What in the ... lol is this really how stadia people justified their purchase e: do you think maybe pc vs consoles hasnt had this dumb $300 vs whatever size wad you got burning ahole in your pockets a thousand times before? It doesnt make your stadia over deliver on value. PCs have vastly more functions than video games anyways you dont get to compare to pc anymore since google lied about having pc performance.. you should stick to comparing to the $199 consoles imo ethanol fucked around with this message at 12:52 on Dec 5, 2019 |
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ethanol posted:What in the ... lol is this really how stadia people justified their purchase Yeah, if people loved cheap platforms for gaming we would still be stuck with Commodore 64s.
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limaCAT posted:Yeah, if people loved cheap platforms for gaming we would still be stuck with Commodore 64s. dude how old are oyu
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Getting back to my new cheap-rear end Steam Controller for a moment: I had some time to test it more last evening and I find that the whole trackpad in place of an analogue stick is much less of a hindrance than I thought it would be. I set it to behave as a stick camera with ultra-wide acceleration and the whole thing is actually really intuitive. Just pull slightly in the direction you want your view to go and it acts exactly like a stick. It even slowly snaps back to the "middle" if you want it to do that. I'm honestly kind of thinking about setting the other trackpad up the same way and using it for movement. I'm still not sure what to make of the gyro controls and the face button positioning is still kind of a pain, but I think once I get used to it, it'll be fine. If you can still get it for cheap somewhere, I'm leaning more and more towards recommending it. ethanol posted:dude how old are oyu  > jk
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ethanol posted:What in the ... lol is this really how stadia people justified their purchase What's wrong in that post you're quoting?
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dear god did you just step out of fyad to interact with me\ e: im not calling you god
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If the same price gets you a fairly future-proof gaming PC that you can also do all sorts of other things with, then 800$ for a phone just so you can play Stadia games really isn't a good deal once you add the purchase costs, monthly costs and streaming costs on top of it. You can get better than an "absolute starting PC" for that price, anyway. 32 gigs of RAM are 150$, 500GB HD sub 80$, 8-core ryzen 7 for 200$, compatible motherboard from 60$ up, decent graphics card from 350$ up => ~850 dollars to start from literally an empty casing with nothing but a PSU. That's not starting, that's mid-range easily.
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The Stadia technology works. If somebody tell you that it don't, he is a idiot or is lying to you. It need good internet but if you can provide it, is like magic. The problems with Stadia are others, not the technology side. Is a service with games more expensive than other services, where we waive basic rights and require constant good conexion to work.
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Yeah we already know game streaming works. The main issues here were Google's idiotic self-owning lies.
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Rotten Red Rod posted:Yeah we already know game streaming works. The main issues here were Google's idiotic self-owning lies. 1) That (including the "highest quality graphics" and "no extra hardware needed"). 2) The fact that Google has the attention span of a squirrel. 3) The fact that mainframe computing failed in the 80's.
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limaCAT posted:3) The fact that mainframe computing failed in the 80's. Is not failed. The computing world is swinging between Dumb Terminals + Fat Server to Smart Terminals and I heard the swing has already happened before a number of times. Theres advantages to both approach.
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Smart Terminals is a common approach in large-scale installations of any kind as well as business environments. Having a weak local desktop that does OS stuff and the more hardware-intensive work, while network drives provide software and store data in a centralized manner, that is something that you see all over the place. My university does it. It's just a very efficient way to handle that kind of thing, as well as an added layer of backup/theft security.
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Tei posted:Is not failed. The computing world is swinging between Dumb Terminals + Fat Server to Smart Terminals and I heard the swing has already happened before a number of times. Theres advantages to both approach. The fact that browser works (and not even fine since all the problems of security) and smartphone work fine is because they can still frontload most of the work that the server would need to do. 1. You can have your applications serving data from different, separate applications (Netflix, Amazon) 2. The phone or browser does all the work about presentation 3. You can still offload tons of computation on the browser of smartphone: with html5 google docs still works offline. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm-Vnx58UYo The mainframe model is when you have a process which runs only on the server. The server is down? You are hosed. The connection is down? You are hosed. There are too many users at the same time using the same resources? Guess what happens there? The fact that Google just uses several servers to stream games mean that if you lose connection to the servers you cannot play offline games, such as assassin's creed or the RDR singleplayer. Stadia is still one process to serve data to you. You cannot download the game to play later. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioWTlpbI8eo Cardiovorax posted:Smart Terminals is a common approach in large-scale installations of any kind as well as business environments. Having a weak local desktop that does OS stuff and the more hardware-intensive work, while network drives provide software and store data in a centralized manner, that is something that you see all over the place. My university does it. It's just a very efficient way to handle that kind of thing, as well as an added layer of backup/theft security. Most of the smart terminals approach is still "off the shelves PCs" that were locked down before being delivered to the final users, and they still allow you scenarios of doing local computation to avoid taxing the servers. Stadia is a dumb terminal scenario.
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limaCAT posted:Most of the smart terminals approach is still "off the shelves PCs" that were locked down before being delivered to the final users, and they still allow you scenarios of doing local computation to avoid taxing the servers. Stadia is a dumb terminal scenario.
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Cardiovorax posted:I know, I just wanted to give an example for situations in which they are used and what that makes them good for. I see. I would also like to see Google try to ask Ubisoft to pay for the electricity bill that gamers instead would have paid to run the 4k 60 fps games. Nobody has factored in this problem yet, that collectively gpus still drink a ton of juice that the normal server based game workload don't require to.
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ethanol posted:What in the ... lol is this really how stadia people justified their purchase I'm not justifying it at all. You have me all wrong guy. Stadia is not a good value right now. Their games are overpriced, their subscription model is sub-par. And their concept isn't mind-blowing. They're also failing to deliver on their promises. I have a pretty nice PC for all my VR racing and killing dude, Garmin, truck driving and editing needs. I'm just saying $800 for a state of the art gaming PC is a bit of a stretch. Even understanding that when I built mine 128gb SSDs were $100 and I was paying $100 for a 16gb stick of ram.
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Tei posted:Is not failed. The computing world is swinging between Dumb Terminals + Fat Server to Smart Terminals and I heard the swing has already happened before a number of times. Theres advantages to both approach.
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I do my everyday desktop work on a thin client that bounces everything off an underprovisioned server 2,000 miles away. I will fight the concept with every fiber of my being to save people that kind of suffering.
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Fallom posted:I do my everyday desktop work on a thin client that bounces everything off an underprovisioned server 2,000 miles away. I will fight the concept with every fiber of my being to save people that kind of suffering. I emulate that by developing java code inside Eclipse or RAD. 
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Do you want nephews? Start planning today, give your kid the gift of STADIA and he will hate videogames.
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I had to develop this half-Java half-Javascript RMI remote GUI for a legacy server systems once that used this (at the time) newfangled Google tech that was supposed to let you control software from inside your browser as if it was installed on your own computer, ooooh. It was a complete and total mess and obviously Google has completely abandoned it since. I think they still sell it to this day.
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Rotten Red Rod posted:For some reason people try to explain this by saying Google would be losing money on the hosting, but that's a factor for literally every F2P game on every platform. They all make money by taking a cut of the ingame currency sold. Running F2P multiplayer game servers is way easier and cheaper than running a Stadia cloud. 1 Fortnight server supports 100 people. 1 Statia instance supports 1 person and requires a $250 GPU. The costs are a couple orders of magnitude different. tater_salad posted:I'm just saying $800 for a state of the art gaming PC is a bit of a stretch. Even understanding that when I built mine 128gb SSDs were $100 and I was paying $100 for a 16gb stick of ram. $800 is a bit of a stretch, but it's way less of a stretch than $2000. (Amd 3600, 5700 GPU, B450 mobo, 16gb ram, 1tb SSD, ok PSU, cheapest case = about $900. That's not what I'd call "cutting edge" but it's like a next gen console in 2019.)
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