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TyrantWD posted:I feel like the show is suffering from the same problem GoT had, where the show runners underestimated the time they needed to tell the story, but were determined to make the originally proposed episode count either way. HBO offered the writers 10 episodes but they decided to only do 9, though.
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That was clunky as hell. Some good moments for sure, but overall a pretty big disappointment. Jon approaches Angela and falls for her because... the plot necessitates it? Very weak. All the Adrian stuff was gold though.
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Dec 9, 2019 05:25
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what was the horseshoe about. sorry by that point i was kind of frustrated and not fully paying attention
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Dec 9, 2019 05:27
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Dec 9, 2019 05:31
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feedmyleg posted:That was clunky as hell. Some good moments for sure, but overall a pretty big disappointment. Jon approaches Angela and falls for her because... the plot necessitates it? Very weak. All the Adrian stuff was gold though. he falls for her because he tells her she can’t save him and she tries anyway. he experiences time non-linearly, it’s not any more plot necessitated than any reason for anyone falling in love with anyone if you take issue with deterministic universe hijinks watchmen may not be your bag baby
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Dec 9, 2019 05:31
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Adrian has planned his escape from the beginning by tricking the Adams and Eves to put horseshoes in his cakes because he knew he'd eventually get locked up during his escape plan. Also, Yahya is a good Cal, and he certainly has Manhattan's physique, but not only did the makeup/effects look pretty bad but I think he was miscast as Jon. He's making similar acting choices to Crudup but to far worse effect. I've liked the guy all series thus far but his portrayal just didn't click for me.
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Dec 9, 2019 05:33
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romanowski posted:what was the horseshoe about. sorry by that point i was kind of frustrated and not fully paying attention
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Dec 9, 2019 05:35
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Mandrel posted:he falls for her because he tells her she can’t save him and she tries anyway. he experiences time non-linearly, it’s not any more plot necessitated than any reason for anyone falling in love with anyone Yeah, I got that. But unless there's some revelation in the next episode that he was consciously using falling in love with Angela as a means to an end because she was the only person who was at the center of this all and he wanted to preserve humanity, then it only exists as a coincidental plot contrivance. He didn't meet Angela organically and then events feel into place deterministically, he met her because the story dictated that he go meet her. Without intent it's coincidence and feels cheap.
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Dec 9, 2019 05:37
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That episode blew
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:What was Veidt reading at the end? I couldn’t make out the cover. Fogdancing It became a film twice.
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emgeejay posted:In the first episode, Philips hands Veidt a horseshoe instead of a knife to cut his first anniversary cake. oh right. but we don’t know what he actually needs the horseshoe for right?
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Dec 9, 2019 05:40
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feedmyleg posted:Yeah, I got that. But unless there's some revelation in the next episode that he was consciously using falling in love with Angela as a means to an end because she was the only person who was at the center of this all and he wanted to preserve humanity, then it only exists as a coincidental plot contrivance. He didn't meet Angela organically and then events feel into place deterministically, he met her because the story dictated that he go meet her. Without intent it's coincidence and feels cheap. what are you talking about
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So based on the Peteypedia entry on Fogdancing, which states that "the conspicuous absence of _________________ and __________ give us an indication as to the identities of the remains," is it possible that Red Scare and Pirate Jenny were Kavalry?
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Dec 9, 2019 05:42
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emgeejay posted:In the first episode, Philips hands Veidt a horseshoe instead of a knife to cut his first anniversary cake. And in the aftermath of Veidt's rough night, Phillips had one and Veidt said, "I don't need it, yet"
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Dec 9, 2019 05:42
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I can’t hate their take on Manhattan because it’s something all right but Billy Crudup did such a drat good job playing him I can’t fully get on board. It started ok but as they went on it became obvious that they just didn’t care to bring Manhattan as he was and just do their own take on it. But seriously, Billy was so good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNXohNU3tWo
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emgeejay posted:In the first episode, Philips hands Veidt a horseshoe instead of a knife to cut his first anniversary cake. Also, a few episodes ago when he has the dining room full of corpses, he picks up a horseshoe and snaps 'I don't need it yet!' at one of the Phillips corpses. EFB
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Dec 9, 2019 05:46
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Yeah I don't think this landed. Too much of it feels like an exact retread of the comics, and the show really is at it's strongest when it's only a branch from them. They were trying to re-do the whole original Manhattan storytelling of jumping around, but in the comic it feels tragic and revelatory, while here it just feels like a cheap filling in the gaps. Angela's big revelation that she set the events in motion that kill Judd came off flat and was really not well acted, and even the action scene where the blue guy finally steps up didn't feel like it had any emotion to.
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Dec 9, 2019 05:47
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I'm glad I got bored and slept through the movie as that seems to be the sticking point for people who didn't like this episode.
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Dec 9, 2019 05:53
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the revelation of the purpose of the horseshoe better fuckin rock or else
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Dec 9, 2019 05:54
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Yeah this is too much talking from the Doctor.
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Dec 9, 2019 05:54
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feedmyleg posted:Yeah, I got that. But unless there's some revelation in the next episode that he was consciously using falling in love with Angela as a means to an end because she was the only person who was at the center of this all and he wanted to preserve humanity, then it only exists as a coincidental plot contrivance. He didn't meet Angela organically and then events feel into place deterministically, he met her because the story dictated that he go meet her. Without intent it's coincidence and feels cheap. Except Manhattan doesn't believe in choice and doesn't view any actions as truly intentional. They just are.
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Dec 9, 2019 05:57
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romanowski posted:the revelation of the purpose of the horseshoe better fuckin rock or else He's digging out of the cell. That's it.
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Dec 9, 2019 05:57
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There’s no reason for Dr. Manhattan to have any part in a story about white supremacy, except to note his role in American imperialism. This episode felt like the first real misstep for the series.
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Dec 9, 2019 05:58
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Bushido Brown posted:He's digging out of the cell. That's it. that does not rock
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Dec 9, 2019 05:59
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:There’s no reason for Dr. Manhattan to have any part in a story about white supremacy, except to note his role in American imperialism. This episode felt like the first real misstep for the series. His role is that he himself is both the cause and end of Angela Abar. He is the indirect cause of her parents' death. But, but for her parents' death they would never meet and she'd never take up his mantle (which seems to be where this is going).
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Dec 9, 2019 06:02
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I haven't ever read the comics and I really enjoyed this episode. I have been so so on the show so far this season but for me, they really nailed the relationship with Angela and Jon. It helps that Regina King is just insanely charming when she isn't portraying a "bad rear end" and the actor playing Hal is also outstanding. Yes there were some serious weak points. The unnecessary flashbacks (Jesus, respect your audience even a little), Angela exclaiming "did I start this?" when it's so loving obvious she did, and maybe the big one for me, it never did show the moment Angela realizes it's Jon / falls for him. I was really disappointed the latter wasn't included. She goes from hating Manhattan to being so in love with him she's cool with him just picking a corpse to inhabit and tossing out all memory, and we see none of it? Actually the more I think about it, the worse it is. Despite that, I liked the episode a lot. My favorite since the first.
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Dec 9, 2019 06:03
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I think Yahya Abdul-Mateens performance as Manhattan is a nice growth on Crudups performance. He’s clearly become a different being since the 80s, with Veidt even remarking on it. It’s easy enough for me to admire both performances.
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Dec 9, 2019 06:04
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:I'm glad I got bored and slept through the movie as that seems to be the sticking point for people who didn't like this episode. yeah it doesn’t help. I liked the episode though, has some rough moments (doc’s CGI/makeup looks hilarious, they should not have had that really silly line from Angela stating the obvious) but overall i was super hooked. its not the shows fault billy crudup/snyder just absolutely crushed that part in the movie
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Dec 9, 2019 06:08
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Dong of the year 2019 E: finale better be 70 mins of Lube Man origin story
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Bushido Brown posted:His role is that he himself is both the cause and end of Angela Abar. This is the transition from the 2nd generation of superheroes to the 3rd. Looking Glass is Rorschach II Sister Night becomes Dr Manhattan II Agent Petey is Silk Spectre III- Lube Man Lady Trieu is Ozymandias II I note that on Europa, a new world where life is created ex nihilo, one of the first created PUTS ON A loving MASK and takes a code name.
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beanieson posted:E: finale better be 70 mins of Lube Man origin story Last episode will be 100% Lube Man, there will be no Angela, Dr. M, Looking Glass, etc.
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Dec 9, 2019 06:11
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43 Minute exposition dump comon
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According to IMDB the finale is 67 minutes long so close enough.
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Dec 9, 2019 06:14
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Maybe an unfamiliarity with the source material would help your enjoyment of this episode since most of it was redundant or extremely stupid callbacks. I'm kinda upset we didn't end up getting more Looking Glass or Hooded Justice, really the only 2 things I ended up enjoying about this series.
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Le Saboteur posted:I think Yahya Abdul-Mateens performance as Manhattan is a nice growth on Crudups performance. He’s clearly become a different being since the 80s, with Veidt even remarking on it. It’s easy enough for me to admire both performances. thats sort of how i came around on if as the episode progressed. he’s matured more and gotten better at reconciling his godhood and humanity it feels like. a big thing people apparently still misunderstand about the character (despite the text explicitly pointing it out) is that doc is not a god, not emotionless, and not omniscient. he is a man with many of the powers of a god. he still gets boners and chases jailbait, is susceptible to being tricked, to vanity, to selfishness, to making mistakes, to being wrong, to getting mad or sad or lonely, or arriving at the wrong conclusions. its the same people who take veidt on his word that he’s an infallible self assured genius just doing necessary evil and is ultimately Right, and as evidence of that rightness cite doc’s agreement. for some reason many people just accept these characters’ claims about who they are/how they see themselves but do not engage with the straight up text of who they actually are.
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Dec 9, 2019 06:24
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This is going to end up like the Dark Knight everyone either loves it or hates it and both of those opinions are wrong. meanwhile white dudes feel a bit less cocky today.
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Dec 9, 2019 06:24
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Haters hatin', but episode good. It's all made for a properly enjoyable sequel to the books that's both a callback and its own thing. I think wrapping this season in one episode is a good call; it's reached its terminus. But man, if they have more stories to tell, it'd be cool to see another season or two. I've almost liked this as much as Twin Peaks. Both were imperfect, but I think the imperfections make them more memorable. Really looking forward to next week.
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Lord Krangdar posted:A novel by Max Shea, who was one of the people who created the squid hoax for him. It was previously glimpsed in the episode intro with Trieu offering a child to that couple outside of Tulsa. Whoa, peteypedia explaining things that happened offscreen is cool. Sounds like things don't go well for Laurie
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Dec 9, 2019 06:28
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Literally each episode has been worse than the last so far. I can’t stop laughing at how bad this episode was. The entire sequence towards the end of the “reveal” this episode was done so poorly and the acting was clumsy as gently caress. Holy poo poo it was just a huge low point for the series.
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Mandrel posted:thats sort of how i came around on if as the episode progressed. he’s matured more and gotten better at reconciling his godhood and humanity it feels like. Another example is how Rorschach pretends to see the world in black and white, and says he will never compromise on lies, crimes, and perversion. But when confronted with the fact that Comedian tried to rape Sally Jupiter, he just kinda shrugs and makes an excuse for him.
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