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dsriggs
May 28, 2012

MONEY FALLS...

...FROM THE SKY...

...WHENEVER HE POSTS!

Pinstripe Hourglass posted:

maybe forums user King Of Coons isn’t entirely on the level about racism

:monocle: Whatever would give you that idea?

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Ad by Khad
Jul 25, 2007

Human Garbage
Watch me try to laugh this title off like the dickbag I am.

I also hang out with racists.
Shamefully I gave ol' Jim a click this week and when he said he didn't actually watch any wrestling this week so he had nothing to review, I burst out laughing and closed it

DB Pooper
Mar 27, 2014

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

dsriggs posted:

:monocle: Whatever would give you that idea?

Because coon is a racial slur

Lamuella
Jun 26, 2003

It's like goldy or bronzy, but made of iron.


DB Pooper posted:

Because coon is a racial slur

I think that's what dsriggs was saying

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Ad by Khad posted:

Shamefully I gave ol' Jim a click this week and when he said he didn't actually watch any wrestling this week so he had nothing to review, I burst out laughing and closed it

Somebody should tell Bryan Alvarez. Whenever he gets asked by people,"Why do you watch Raw if you hate it so much?" he replies,"Because it's my job!", but apparently you can just put out shows where you talk very angrily for a very long period of time over something you haven't actually watched.

Lamuella
Jun 26, 2003

It's like goldy or bronzy, but made of iron.


Jerusalem posted:

Somebody should tell Bryan Alvarez. Whenever he gets asked by people,"Why do you watch Raw if you hate it so much?" he replies,"Because it's my job!", but apparently you can just put out shows where you talk very angrily for a very long period of time over something you haven't actually watched.

This is a personal bugbear of mine. There are podcasts out there who actually review the shows, even watching them more than once to get accurate notes. And then there are podcasts where they shred a show for 15 minutes before mentioning in passing that they "watched" it by seeing 5 minutes of clips on YouTube.

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


Grimey Drawer
And then there’s Ravens podcast where he... actually I don’t get Ravens podcast at all

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009

On the tiny, tiny chance that this isn't trolling, I'll say this: Being racist is NOT the same as being an out and out hood wearing Klan member. This genuinely is, I think, where a lot of the generational contention is around the discussion of racism and any kind of bigotry these days, because to a lot of people, older people especially, being called the former is equivalent to being called the other, when it's not always the case. Racism can be unconscious, it can be small moments that add up, it can be using a hurtful word without thinking about it because it's never been used against YOU in an attempt to lessen you.

And I long ago learned that the "deep inside I'm not racist/sexist/homophobic/transphobic" excuse is a losing battle that people try to get you into in bad faith. At the end of the day I can't see inside your head or heart. I CAN see and hear what you say and do. If you say and do bigoted poo poo, I'm not sure it matters if you truly believe it, because at the end of the day, it appears the same. And like a lot of things in wrestling: Perception becomes reality. If it looks like a racist duck, quacks like a racist duck, then I don't care if it doesn't think of itself as a racist duck, because to me, it sure seems like a racist duck.

I'd also like to thank Bix for doing work in the trenches and bringing to us the latest Cornette stupidity without having to listen to it myself. :patriot:

CombineThresher
Apr 10, 2006

GIT R DONNE

Aesop Poprock posted:

And then there’s Ravens podcast where he... actually I don’t get Ravens podcast at all

Raven's podcast is an ongoing exploration of his attention deficit problems.

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


Grimey Drawer
I loved Ravens podcast with Jericho where you can hear Jericho praying that they let him go as the co-host starts in on another purposefully bad impression skit

davidbix
Jun 14, 2016

Wow, Bix. First K.Rool, then Steve and now SEPHIROTH? Your dream game is real!
*shrug emoji*

https://twitter.com/davidbix/status/1209676805801680896

Cavauro
Jan 9, 2008

cornette sold a shirt of him taking a piss on a tombstone that said vince russo on it and a ripoff of the cactus jack shirt with vince russo on it. piece of poo poo rear end

HerraS
Apr 15, 2012

Looking professional when committing genocide is essential. This is mostly achieved by using a beret.

Olive drab colour ensures the genocider will remain hidden from his prey until it's too late for them to do anything.



"The Bucks look like teen idols!!!!" complains old racist who got mad at Lance Storm because he kept bringing his wife to shows and so girls knew they wouldn't be able to gently caress him

coconono
Aug 11, 2004

KISS ME KRIS

man gently caress Jim Cornette.

SatansOnion
Dec 12, 2011

coconono posted:

man gently caress Jim Cornette.

I hope his old wrestling tapes kept him company today, because I sure as hell wouldn’t wish his miserable bigoted outrage-addicted presence on anybody else’s Yuletide festivities

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009

HerraS posted:

"The Bucks look like teen idols!!!!" complains old racist who got mad at Lance Storm because he kept bringing his wife to shows and so girls knew they wouldn't be able to gently caress him

The hypocrisy goes deeper: He, not long ago, was ranting that the only way the Bucks could get over is by being traditional babyfaces who sell for big bully heels. What have they been doing since AEW started? But nope, now they're not credible because they're decent looking dudes.

Low Desert Punk
Jul 4, 2012

i have absolutely no fucking money
i'm still thinking about how he only refers to lucha libre as a "mexican cultural artform" because he refuses to call it professional wrestling

davidbix
Jun 14, 2016

Wow, Bix. First K.Rool, then Steve and now SEPHIROTH? Your dream game is real!

Low Desert Punk posted:

i'm still thinking about how he only refers to lucha libre as a "mexican cultural artform" because he refuses to call it professional wrestling
And if he's not working for a promotion with luchadores, he'll say "it doesn't make any loving sense" even though it's a different style from a different culture with its own rules.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!
Cornette is threatening journalists now.

https://twitter.com/TheJimCornette/status/1213089759654010880

Would be really funny if he lost his twitter for this.

WatermelonGun
May 7, 2009
i’ll threaten cornette right now


jim. get in the ring with me.

davidbix
Jun 14, 2016

Wow, Bix. First K.Rool, then Steve and now SEPHIROTH? Your dream game is real!

MassRafTer posted:

Cornette is threatening journalists now.

https://twitter.com/TheJimCornette/status/1213089759654010880

Would be really funny if he lost his twitter for this.
Screenshots, including a second threat, in case these get deleted or his account goes boom or whatever:

https://twitter.com/davidbix/status/1213149271073132544

I get why he hasn't, but part of me wonders if there's a time where Wade Keller should release the tapes of JC's threats towards him, and if that time is now.

coconono
Aug 11, 2004

KISS ME KRIS

MassRafTer posted:

Cornette is threatening journalists now.

https://twitter.com/TheJimCornette/status/1213089759654010880

Would be really funny if he lost his twitter for this.

I snitched to twitter. This is my confession.

stab
Feb 12, 2003

To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high
Figured this would go well in the Jim Cornette thread



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DSeBXJvvFw

Sexxxy eddy has a video on Jim Cornette. It's pretty good.

stab fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Jan 3, 2020

Pinche Rudo
Feb 8, 2005

Jim's primary supporters are liquid brained regressives, good luck getting them to stop liking him

mactheknife
Jul 20, 2004

THE JOLLY CANDY-LIKE BUTTON

coconono posted:

I snitched to twitter. This is my confession.

same, a worthy cause

spongeh
Mar 22, 2009

BREADAGRAM OF PROTECTION

coconono posted:

I snitched to twitter. This is my confession.

same, it'll be hilarious if they put him in twitter jail for this, and his fans will go nuts about PC police run amok, especially post NWA firing. the net comedy output will be positive.

JUNGLE BOY
Sep 23, 2019

I only ever see clips posted of Cornette making GBS threads on AEW and the indies, I’m not gonna subject myself to his bullshit but I’m curious does he ever review RAW or Smackdown? His fan base seems to be the type that think Baron Corbin is a good heel and like, are they just taking up his opinion like they usually do?

CombineThresher
Apr 10, 2006

GIT R DONNE

JUNGLE BOY posted:

I only ever see clips posted of Cornette making GBS threads on AEW and the indies, I’m not gonna subject myself to his bullshit but I’m curious does he ever review RAW or Smackdown? His fan base seems to be the type that think Baron Corbin is a good heel and like, are they just taking up his opinion like they usually do?

Jim never seriously watched Raw or Smackdown and only watches AEW because the hogs lap it up whenever he complains about it.

bebaloorpabopalo
Nov 23, 2005

I'm not interested in constructive criticism, believe me.
He used to sporadically review RAW but stopped because it was killing him and he said it wasn't even entertaining enough in a bad way to spend time making GBS threads on it. I'm sure he'd be able to find praise in certain aspects just to poo poo on AEW but at the very least there are things he legitimately likes about AEW (Cody/Jericho/MJF) and he hasn't stopped watching it yet.

It is funny that he always makes some comment about how the product is only appealing to "x number of people who are already watching" as a way to belittle it as niche and unappealing to the nebulous Mainstream Fan he's invented, but the number keeps growing every week.

Zeta Acosta
Dec 16, 2019

#essereFerrari
i tried to listen to the latest aew vid but the guy started with well TNA did 5 millions in the ratings and i stopped. it was like yeah no poo poo the industry is in bad shape what was the last promotion with a prime time tv deal who hired your rear end?

davidbix
Jun 14, 2016

Wow, Bix. First K.Rool, then Steve and now SEPHIROTH? Your dream game is real!

bebaloorpabopalo posted:

He used to sporadically review RAW but stopped because it was killing him and he said it wasn't even entertaining enough in a bad way to spend time making GBS threads on it. I'm sure he'd be able to find praise in certain aspects just to poo poo on AEW but at the very least there are things he legitimately likes about AEW (Cody/Jericho/MJF) and he hasn't stopped watching it yet.
The Raw reviews he did were actually pretty good because, while he'd get exasperated, he was MUCH more constructive in his criticism than he is of Dynamite. A lot of it was about basic presentation stuff that, when you listened, you realized WWE got away from. And when he'd complain about modern style in-ring stuff, it was also more constructive. Perhaps most memorably, at least for me, was when Richochet and Black had a match one week, JC had specific criticisms, and, the next week, when they faced the Revival, there were several spots that were clearly Dash and Dawson showcasing themselves tightening up those specific issues. I guess to pop Cornette or themselves or see if anyone noticed.

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It is funny that he always makes some comment about how the product is only appealing to "x number of people who are already watching" as a way to belittle it as niche and unappealing to the nebulous Mainstream Fan he's invented, but the number keeps growing every week.
Yup. He sometimes has good advice when it comes to making sure that a first-time viewer isn't lost, but he often waaaaay overdoes it. Especially with Dynamite, of course. And for the love of God, I will never, ever understand the IT'S TOO FAST TO FOLLOW UNDERSTAND criticism of some of the newer style stuff. Even stuff I don't like, I might find it dumb or not especially enjoyable, but...incomprehensible?!?!?! While that one's not *exclusive* to him, he still uses it the most and I don't even think it's a put-on. But seriously, WTF does that even mean?

LividLiquid
Apr 13, 2002

He's a giant racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic rear end in a top hat who once wrestled a loving turtle, and we'd be all better off not giving him our attention.

davidbix
Jun 14, 2016

Wow, Bix. First K.Rool, then Steve and now SEPHIROTH? Your dream game is real!
Separate topic: Has he run off almost everyone who would be offended by the, well, offensive stuff? I've been listening less lately, but listened to part of this week's JCE (because the lawyer stuff is newsworthy and I'd like to be up to date), let it keep going because I was doing the dishes, and...oof. There was a point where it seemed like Brian was trying to talk him down a *little* bit on the "Japanese schoolgirl" stuff by pointing out that Shida doesn't fit that bit the way that Riho, being tiny and young after starting obscenely young, at least could maybe be argued to. (I'm not saying she does.) And Jim wouldn't have it, continuing with the whole weekly thing about Omega having a "Japanese schoolgirl fetish" that leads him to push Japanese women who he doesn't think an American audience will ever find relatable.

While the totality of it is even worse, his week to week version of this is basically that:

* Kenny Omega is pushing Riho (and Shida) because he has a "Japanese schoolgirl fetish" and is putting her over for that reason, often outright saying that it only makes sense if he's loving her or at least trying to.
* Britt Baker is/was the "obvious" face of the division in spite of him and Brian constantly agreeing that she's too green for that right now, because only "Anime fans" will have any interest in or relate to Riho (and/or Shida).
* Even if he skips the matches, he will poo poo on anything with the Japanese women because "outlaw Japanese schoolgirl wrestling" must be inherently inferior to the NXT women's division. (Although he also thinks NXT has too many women's matches even when they run two in an episode and both are good.)

(And he's aware of the Omega/Riho backstory, which makes it even worse.)

Even before you get to the sometimes suggestion that Omega is a pervert who groomed Riho from age 9...how has THIS poo poo not been getting him in deeper poo poo? For as many people who have argued about his "intent" with the fried chicken/Ethiopia line, he clearly has some malicious intent with this stuff.

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

Butt first, let's
check the feeds.

The Omega/Riho stuff aside, Hikaru Shida is a gorgeous, bad rear end, cool as gently caress good wrestler and not thinking there was anyway someone could find her appealing unless they had a "Japanese schoolgirl fetish" is seriously "WTF?"

My first instinct was to compare it to the infamous "Vince had to be convinced people would be attracted to Gail Kim" thing but like, that seems like its just lowering Shida to the same weird sexual level Cornette seems to be thinking she can only appeal to.

Pinche Rudo
Feb 8, 2005

Cornette is an old white Boomer. He only sees Asian women as exotic sexual objects and stereotypes.

LividLiquid
Apr 13, 2002

Pinche Rudo posted:

Cornette is an old white Boomer. He only sees Asian women as exotic sexual objects and stereotypes.
Leonard likes this post!

davidbix
Jun 14, 2016

Wow, Bix. First K.Rool, then Steve and now SEPHIROTH? Your dream game is real!

STAC Goat posted:

The Omega/Riho stuff aside, Hikaru Shida is a gorgeous, bad rear end, cool as gently caress good wrestler and not thinking there was anyway someone could find her appealing unless they had a "Japanese schoolgirl fetish" is seriously "WTF?"

My first instinct was to compare it to the infamous "Vince had to be convinced people would be attracted to Gail Kim" thing but like, that seems like its just lowering Shida to the same weird sexual level Cornette seems to be thinking she can only appeal to.
I mean...is the "J.R. had to explain to Vince that 'Asian porn' was a genre, otherwise he wasn't convinced that white men would find Gail Kim attractive and thus relatable/marketable/whatever" story really HAT bad a comparison? It sucks to talk about *anyone* on that level, but it feels like both the Vince and JC things are, if not substantively the same, then on the same overall plane of existence. (That Gail Kim and Hikaru Shida are both very, very conventionally attractive to non-racist people just makes it weirder/stupider.)

And yes, Shida is really good, to boot, with, even when she's off (the once match chair spot), completely different strengths and weaknesses as a worker from Riho. But I think JC has also used the "Japanese schoolgirl" thing for Io Shirai, too, which...whatever, I give up.

Gumball Gumption
Jan 7, 2012

Yeah, Cornette only views women's wrestling as something to titillate and is pissy AEW isn't using the type of women he wants to see and can't wrap his head around the idea that anyone would feature women for any reasons that's not their looks.

davidbix
Jun 14, 2016

Wow, Bix. First K.Rool, then Steve and now SEPHIROTH? Your dream game is real!

Gumball Gumption posted:

Yeah, Cornette only views women's wrestling as something to titillate and is pissy AEW isn't using the type of women he wants to see and can't wrap his head around the idea that anyone would feature women for any reasons that's not their looks.
I wouldn't quite say that: I think he views it as something that can have merit as pro wrestling, but where the talent has to be what he considers conventionally attractive to be "marketable" and/or "relatable." But he feels that nobody wants to see more than one women's match per show because he thinks that the American talent pool is so shallow to as have quickly diminishing returns. (And there is something to be said for the indie women who go to WWE getting polished up quicker/better at the PC than non-WWE woman in the U.S. have been, but that's a different conversation from the one we're having.)

Regardless, that he doesn't bother to restrain himself on something as ripe for legitimate criticism as the massive work in progress that is the AEW women's division is something else.

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Cavauro
Jan 9, 2008

Any difference in the physical attraction requirement between mens and womens wrestling is inexcusably the thing Gumball Gumption said at its core imo

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