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oldskool posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Kfxg38O_TM
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Jesus, he's just very obviously bouncing off their chests with no regard for anything 
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Dec 17, 2019 15:24
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jesus WEP posted:Savage from the late 90s onwards apparently couldn’t land on his hip anymore so he’d just shoot elbow drop people I'm reminded of the Mick Foley story about thinking Terry Funk had the best punch in the business, and really looking forward to being in a Funk match to see how it was done. And then Terry just punches him in the face. Afterwards when Mick talks to him about it he said "aw... and you just thought I was really good."
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Dec 17, 2019 15:33
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Speaking of, what the hell was with Chainsaw Charlie? I vaguely recall that it was Terry's idea for some reason but also no one ever bothered trying to kayfabe it.
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Dec 17, 2019 15:49
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Cornette thinks that if you pop out out of a box you’re immediately over
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Dec 17, 2019 15:50
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Admiral Joeslop posted:Speaking of, what the hell was with Chainsaw Charlie? I vaguely recall that it was Terry's idea for some reason but also no one ever bothered trying to kayfabe it. from Funk's book, via reddit: quote:I got ready for my big debut on Raw that Monday night in December, and the plan was for me to come out of a box. Bruce Prichard, one of the backstage guys, was describing to me what they wanted me to do.  "Gimme a chainsaw!" "OK"
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Dec 17, 2019 15:55
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how come shawn michaels never gets poo poo for not drawing money in the 90s?
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jesus WEP posted:Savage from the late 90s onwards apparently couldn’t land on his hip anymore so he’d just shoot elbow drop people Similarly, when the Hardys returned to WWE, Jeff did an interview on a podcast where he straight up said that he'd stopped trying to protect his opponents when doing the Swanton and would just flat out land directly on them and let them take the full brunt of the impact.
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Dec 17, 2019 15:59
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Low Desert Punk posted:how come shawn michaels never gets poo poo for not drawing money in the 90s? He does, it kept him out of the Observer HoF after he retired the first time, which makes his weird hold over Vince all the more bizarre. Letting Hogan get away with poo poo is a lot different than letting loving HBK get away with poo poo.
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Dec 17, 2019 16:00
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Jerusalem posted:Similarly, when the Hardys returned to WWE, Jeff did an interview on a podcast where he straight up said that he'd stopped trying to protect his opponents when doing the Swanton and would just flat out land directly on them and let them take the full brunt of the impact.
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Dec 17, 2019 16:18
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Halloween Jack posted:Ha, gently caress, I was just about to post that. A lot of times you can't tell the difference, since he's landing next to the guy and you can't see how much weight is leaning on the target. Then there are the ones where you can just see him landing elbow-first on a guy. Sick. It's also super telling watching the guys receiving the elbows. The reactions of the dudes in the latter part of the video are so much more true to life of a dude landing on top of you, especially one where he just elbows DDP in the gut instead of landing on the chest. Never really noticed the change before, but I also checked out on all of his stuff in WCW anyway at that point.
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Dec 17, 2019 16:38
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jesus WEP posted:that is also bad but on the other hand a jeff hardy is about 2/3 of a randy savage, and at least he's kinda rolling over them. kinda. They are much closer than you think. Jeff is probably taller although Randy had more bulk.
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Dec 17, 2019 16:44
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Ganso Bomb posted:It's also super telling watching the guys receiving the elbows. The reactions of the dudes in the latter part of the video are so much more true to life of a dude landing on top of you, especially one where he just elbows DDP in the gut instead of landing on the chest.
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Dec 17, 2019 16:58
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Halloween Jack posted:I think I'd rather take it to the gut, because Savage landing on my chest with the point of his elbow would probably split my sternum.
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Dec 17, 2019 17:00
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would it really have been that difficult to just use a new finish instead of an elbow drop? Maybe you could bust it out for really, really big matches same thing with hogan, he continued to completely destroy his body with leg drops when he could've just switched to the axe bomber or something
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Dec 17, 2019 17:07
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Low Desert Punk posted:would it really have been that difficult to just use a new finish instead of an elbow drop? Maybe you could bust it out for really, really big matches But nostalgia! I imagine everyone figured it would ruin the mystique of those guys if they just suddenly started using a new finisher when they got too old, plus it would be a clear signal that they WERE too old and shouldn't even be wrestling anymore. Kudos to the guys who get by on low impact, low effort finishers like an iron claw or sleeper hold.
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Dec 17, 2019 17:13
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Low Desert Punk posted:would it really have been that difficult to just use a new finish instead of an elbow drop? Maybe you could bust it out for really, really big matches How many wrestlers have actually done that? I imagine most of them consider it an essential part of their gimmick even if they can't do it properly anymore.
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Dec 17, 2019 17:14
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Undertaker tried different finishers to help save his knees. It does make me wonder why guys choose finishers that are gonna ruin their bodies.
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Dec 17, 2019 17:17
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Everyone should use the heart punch
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Ganso Bomb posted:It's also super telling watching the guys receiving the elbows. The reactions of the dudes in the latter part of the video are so much more true to life of a dude landing on top of you, especially one where he just elbows DDP in the gut instead of landing on the chest. Never really noticed the change before, but I also checked out on all of his stuff in WCW anyway at that point. Savage landed really rough on Lil Naitch in a match in WCW and collapsed his lung and cracked several of his vertebrae. and I'm pretty sure he never apologised for it either.
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Dec 17, 2019 17:20
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Wrestlers as a whole aren't very smart
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Dec 17, 2019 17:20
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There aren't a lot of moves that won't gently caress you up if you do them literally thousands of times. But the Atomic Leg Drop doesn't even look good!
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Dec 17, 2019 17:21
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Admiral Joeslop posted:How many wrestlers have actually done that? I imagine most of them consider it an essential part of their gimmick even if they can't do it properly anymore. Mil Mascaras had to stop doing the flying crossbody in his seventies!
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Dec 17, 2019 17:31
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Admiral Joeslop posted:How many wrestlers have actually done that? I imagine most of them consider it an essential part of their gimmick even if they can't do it properly anymore. Liger started using the shotei and brainbuster when he got hurt and couldn't do the SSP anymore, didn't he?
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Dec 17, 2019 17:34
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oldpainless posted:It does make me wonder why guys choose finishers that are gonna ruin their bodies. Someone like ZSJ might be able to wrestle into his senior years given his style. gently caress impact finishers, just tie your opponent into a pretzel.
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Dec 17, 2019 17:45
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How does one realize that they can't do the SSP anymore? I imagine it involves falling directly on your head. How does one learn to do the SSP in the first place, even with crash pads there's the chance of not rotating right and whiplashing yourself on the turnbuckle.
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ChrisBTY posted:How does one realize that can't do the SSP anymore? I imagine it involves falling directly on your head. Or on someone's else's head. anakha fucked around with this message at 17:51 on Dec 17, 2019 |
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Dec 17, 2019 17:49
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Or just the landings start to feel worse and worse over time. One day you'll be like "ok holy poo poo I'm not doing that anymore"
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Even though he still uses the Lionsault and Codebreaker from time to time, Jericho has himself set up well for later years with the  Effect. Speaking of bad-for-you finishers, does Fandango still do that horrifying top-rope legdrop? 
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DDP said every time he took Savage's elbow that it tore the meat from his ribs.Low Desert Punk posted:how come shawn michaels never gets poo poo for not drawing money in the 90s? Well, you see, the business is cyclical. So when business was down with Diesel, it was because he couldn't draw, not that business was on a downswing. When business was down with Shawn, it was because the business was on a downswing, not because he couldn't draw. Makes sense? Not really. ChrisBTY posted:How does one realize that they can't do the SSP anymore? When everyone in the back says "For god's sake, Billy Kidman, you're going to kill someone!"
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Dec 17, 2019 17:51
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anakha posted:Someone like ZSJ might be able to wrestle into his senior years given his style. gently caress impact finishers, just tie your opponent into a pretzel. Johnny Saint, whose style has a LOT of crossover with ZSJ, was still having 15 minute against the likes of Johnny Kidd and Mike Quackenbush until he was seventy.
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Halloween Jack posted:There aren't a lot of moves that won't gently caress you up if you do them literally thousands of times. But the Atomic Leg Drop doesn't even look good! Atomic Leg Drop looked cool and good, actually hth
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The leg drop was decent when hogan could still move and got some height on it but later on it was bad
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Dec 17, 2019 18:00
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oldpainless posted:Undertaker tried different finishers to help save his knees. Because you're young & think your invincible right until the second you're not and suddenly just getting out of bed is agony on your knees.
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Dec 17, 2019 18:41
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Further proof that the best finisher in the industry right now is the Rainmaker. Anybody can do a clothesline!
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Dec 17, 2019 19:38
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Even Stan Hansen and he's legally blind!
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Dec 17, 2019 19:41
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TriffTshngo posted:Further proof that the best finisher in the industry right now is the Rainmaker. Anybody can do a clothesline! Didn't Nigel suffer numerous arm injuries due to performing the lariat?
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Davros1 posted:Didn't Nigel suffer numerous arm injuries due to performing the lariat? Yes, but he, like Hansen, was shoot murdering people with his arm. Most guys take a back bump just as Okada makes contact and crumple. Gaz-L fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Dec 17, 2019 |
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Dec 17, 2019 20:16
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Admiral Joeslop posted:How many wrestlers have actually done that? I imagine most of them consider it an essential part of their gimmick even if they can't do it properly anymore. Ricochet has started doing the codebreaker as a finisher in lieu of doing 630s every night. Jeff Hardy had also stopped doing the swanton on house shows and just does the stunner variant Twist of Fate I feel like one of the worst finishers for the performer’s body has to be Ember Moon’s eclipse. That is going to destroy her tailbone and hips.
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Dacap posted:Ricochet has started doing the codebreaker as a finisher in lieu of doing 630s every night. Jeff Hardy had also stopped doing the swanton on house shows and just does the stunner variant Twist of Fate I mean, Jeff landing on his tailbone every night is still likely bad. That's basically why Matt can barely walk.
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