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TIN0 posted:So my question is, was Fin-Rey (Reyfn) actually a thing, or JJ planned to have that awful Reylo kiss from 10 years ago? The answers are nobody gives a gently caress about Finn and that nothing about any of this was planned.
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sean10mm posted:This would explain why that whole arc has no relation to the kind of character Poe was in the first movie. I mean he wasn't much more than a generic archetype fighter jock fun guy... but he wasn't weirdly hostile to female authority figures out of nowhere and his reaction to every situation wasn't This has probably already been pointed out a million times but wasn't Poe's big failing at the beginning was ignoring orders to not kill the dreadnaught and getting a bunch of pilots killed? An act that saved all of them as the dreadnaught would have killed them in the slow speed chase. The big opener of him being wrong to go against the authority of Leia and needs to learn from this was actually the correct thing to do. Raccooon fucked around with this message at 02:48 on Dec 20, 2019 |
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TIN0 posted:I was thinking, was the Fin "Rey I want to tell you my feeling but not on camera wink wink" thing JJ's way of trolling Rian Johnson, because Johnson hosed up his Fin-Rey romantic setup in TFA and send Fin to Rose? JJ Abrams has a big hardon for Boyega so there was probably ~something~ planned but we'll never actually know. Raccooon posted:This has probably already been pointed out a million times but wasn't Poe's big failing at the beginning was ignoring orders to not kill the dreadnaught and getting a bunch of pilots killed? An act that saved all of them as the dreadnaught would have killed them in the slow speed chase. The big opener of him being wrong to go against the authority of Leia and needs to learn from this was actually the correct thing to do. That part was fine, everything after that was really bad characterization for Poe. professor metis posted:There's a shot towards the end of them embracing that I swear they deliberately kept to 0.5 seconds because any longer and their chemistry would beam through the cinema and destroy all their attempts at giving either of them barely developed female love interests. I would probably fall in love with Boyega and/or Isaac if you put me in a room with them for 5 minutes, they're charming good looking dudes.
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Holy gently caress the spoilers don’t really grasp how loving TERRIBLE this movie is.
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YaketySass posted:It's one of those annoying fan over-interpretations of how this universe works that crept into the new movies: the Dark Side as some video game karma meter that can be objectively analyzed instead of a metaphor for specific negative emotions. If you don't explain what these emotions are and where they come from, you're stuck with arbitrary circular logic where Kylo went "dark" because Luke sensed he was "dark". You can interpret it as saying something about self-fulfilling prophecies but the Prequels did it better by anchoring the events in actual emotional arcs. Right! He just was “seduced by the dark side” because the audience knows what that means and can fill in the blanks with pop culture references. It’s a cowardly and safe way to avoid committing to an actual story and themes. The idea is to provide juuuust enough meat for the audience to fill in with their own feelings, hence those silly takes on TFA where “oh it’s about how millennials like me can’t get jobs” etc.
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Mat Cauthon posted:That part was fine, everything after that was really bad characterization for Poe. Nah I agree that it fits with his cock sure fly boy characterization but that the film explicitly tells the audience Poe needs to learn from this when he doesn't. His instincts were correct and Leia was wrong.
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Big loving props to that one dude that, after the battle was won, decided to Holdo maneuver a Star Destroyer over Endor just to prove Finn wrong I guess? One in a million lmao just point the ship towards the enemy and pedal to the metal.
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Just Chamber posted:This is all hand waved away by Palpatine saying he was Vader in his head, he was Snoke, etc etc, he was corrupting Kylo since he was young as revenge against the Skywalkers I guess?? Yea it's not great. Kylo being tempted by the light side of the force in TFA was one of my favorite things they did. I'm glad they got back to it in RoS.
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nemesis_hub posted:Right! He just was “seduced by the dark side” because the audience knows what that means and can fill in the blanks with pop culture references. It’s a cowardly and safe way to avoid committing to an actual story and themes. The idea is to provide juuuust enough meat for the audience to fill in with their own feelings, hence those silly takes on TFA where “oh it’s about how millennials like me can’t get jobs” etc. I guess you can hand wave it away with force sensitive people open themselves up to the manipulations of the force, but then it just takes all agency away them so eh...
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Big loving props to that one dude that, after the battle was won, decided to Holdo maneuver a Star Destroyer over Endor just to prove Finn wrong I guess? Hahahaha did this really happen 
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Big loving props to that one dude that, after the battle was won, decided to Holdo maneuver a Star Destroyer over Endor just to prove Finn wrong I guess? Wait what, I missed this I guess. There was just so much junk happening on screen its hard to focus I suppose.
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The ratings on this are gonna be awesome lmfao. IMDB on 6.8 type suicide watch, but on RT the review you need is someone going "yeah whatev's" so it's gonna be all over the place
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I don't understand what is happening with this movie and I feel like I'm caring way too much about it.
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Kylo and Rey were the only two I was really interested in after The Last Jedi so I was pleased the time those two got in this.
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Pollyanna posted:I don't understand what is happening with this movie and I feel like I'm caring way too much about it. Don't get too attached either way, just enjoy the lmaos my friend
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Like my brain genuinely hurts, it honestly looks like half the people watched a different movie than the other half. Maybe that's my brain problems, but I don't get it. It's not even about the movie, it's about the sheer extremity in opinions. You either hate the movie's guts, or you're crying your eyes out while naming your firstborn Rey Skywalker. What the gently caress is going on
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Pollyanna posted:Like my brain genuinely hurts, it honestly looks like half the people watched a different movie than the other half. Maybe that's my brain problems, but I don't get it. It’s really not that interesting...
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Just Chamber posted:Wait what, I missed this I guess. There was just so much junk happening on screen its hard to focus I suppose. When they’re doing the victory montage the starts with Bespin I think. The next scene from a forest looking up and you can very clearly see a split Star Destroyer exactly like TLJ same lightning and all.
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Pollyanna posted:Like my brain genuinely hurts, it honestly looks like half the people watched a different movie than the other half. Maybe that's my brain problems, but I don't get it. well it's pretty obvious. the people who like the film don't care about quality so much as the fact that the Brand Continues.
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Pollyanna posted:Like my brain genuinely hurts, it honestly looks like half the people watched a different movie than the other half. Maybe that's my brain problems, but I don't get it. People who hated Rey/Finn/Poe from the beginning were never going to change their minds or be happy with this film. It would not have mattered what happened in the movie itself. Everyone else enjoyed a Star Wars. 
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Pollyanna posted:Like my brain genuinely hurts, it honestly looks like half the people watched a different movie than the other half. Maybe that's my brain problems, but I don't get it. Hardcore Fandom, whether it's movies, sports, whatever, is entirely irrational.
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Pollyanna posted:Like my brain genuinely hurts, it honestly looks like half the people watched a different movie than the other half. Maybe that's my brain problems, but I don't get it. 50% of the human race are below-average intelligence......
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Raccooon posted:This has probably already been pointed out a million times but wasn't Poe's big failing at the beginning was ignoring orders to not kill the dreadnaught and getting a bunch of pilots killed? An act that saved all of them as the dreadnaught would have killed them in the slow speed chase. The big opener of him being wrong to go against the authority of Leia and needs to learn from this was actually the correct thing to do. Lt. Danger posted:50% of the human race are below-average intelligence......
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YaketySass posted:It's one of those annoying fan over-interpretations of how this universe works that crept into the new movies: the Dark Side as some video game karma meter that can be objectively analyzed instead of a metaphor for specific negative emotions. If you don't explain what these emotions are and where they come from, you're stuck with arbitrary circular logic where Kylo went "dark" because Luke sensed he was "dark". Building off this very good point, I think one way to improve this would have been to have Kylo have some sort of legitimate grievance against the New Republic BEFORE poo poo goes sideways. Kylo goes fascist because the system is hosed, Han is too reluctant to fully agree with him because he's too comfortable/reluctant to rebel against the Republic he helped restore. Then you have a conflict between Kylo and Han, which resonates with the wider context for the situation in the galaxy, and can dovetail with other character and thematic arcs: Finn being a child slave of the First Order is a result of the New Republic failing to give a poo poo about the people, etc. Have Han realize Kylo is right but going about things the wrong way. He comes to his son to apologize for not listening but Republic goons show up and kill him somehow. Now Kylo is torn because he has even more reason to hate the Republic but also is starting to realize his dad was right about the FO being creeps. Where does he go now? Then the whole trilogy is about how revolution isn't just accomplished in one big dramatic moment: what happens the day after? Kylo, Finn, eventually work together to change the fact that the rich elites have begun to re-assert control, which is something that all revolutions have to guard against. This way, you can talk about how the old generation made mistakes and the new has to carry on, without invalidating everything that happened in the OT. And it even resonates with the PT: how to prevent the cycle going from EP6 right back to EP1. Of course, Disney would never, ever go with this. I realize I'm just spouting off fanfic here, I'm not saying what I've written is super great. But this is the rough skeleton of what an actual story with actual stakes and conflict would look like compared to the nothing that is the ST.
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:When they’re doing the victory montage the starts with Bespin I think. The next scene from a forest looking up and you can very clearly see a split Star Destroyer exactly like TLJ same lightning and all. Oh gently caress that's what that was. I thought it was just bits of the Star Destroyer falling into atmosphere or something but just lol if its some dude Holdoing it up.
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It's like how trump still has supporters even after he blathers for 3 hours straight
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the other hand posted:Is Ian McDiarmid’s performance as fun in this movie as in the rest of them? Every line he has, his face is lit up by flickering lightning light. It's hilarious. Who were the cloak people in his throne room?
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sponges posted:It’s really not that interesting... Yeah, I'm not sure what Pollyanna's going on about. Subjective things that people are passionate about are divisive, news at 11.
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Pollyanna posted:Like my brain genuinely hurts, it honestly looks like half the people watched a different movie than the other half. Maybe that's my brain problems, but I don't get it. Nah. I think most people are like me, very much in the middle. Perhaps the people you're looking at on twitter are just extremes on one side or the other. I think the general public honestly will mostly enjoy this film because it's just pure shock like TFA. Fun things happen, there are a few laughs, it's a spectacle with an actual ending and everything wrapping up in a neat bow. Is it a good movie? Nope not really it's just like TFA, it's a safe star wars moopie that throws fan service in your face over and over. If you aren't like comparing them to the OT, you like the new characters and you just wanna see them go on an adventure that unlike TLJ feels like Star Wars you'll have a good time. Honestly the people that seem to hate it seem to be either super against the sequels and hate the first two movies or massive TLJ fans that wanted more of the same and they're idiots because JJ was never going to do that. I think the audience RT score is pretty accurate I think if you ask the average person "was it an enjoyable 2 hours in the cinema?".
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Again, I think it's all reductive, treating it as people being content to eat slop. This movie hinges on a narrative trick - in media res starting "actually the emperor is alive". If you buy it, it's gonna be okayish. If you don't, it's gonna be loving awful. That's why it gets a 6 on imdb (because the people it worked for are like "yeah it's like a 5-8" and people that it didn't are below 3), but will probably score higher on RT, because all you need to cross there is an ehhh "thumbs up." That's all there is to it.
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I mean I'm gonna lmao all the way to the bank and I know I'd loving hate the movie so I won't watch it, but also, I don't go "actually you're wrong" at the two of my super nerdy sw friends going "it wasn't ALL bad." Now, the trilogy was pointless, and everything was pointless. And it ruins the OT a bit. But don't get worked up over the details of it, just have fun looking at the schadenfreude if that's your thing. Of which there is plenty.
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Just got out. Probably not going to follow this thread at all but I have to say this: Star Wars is pretty loving anime. EpIX is the most anime Star Wars movie.
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dex_sda posted:Again, I think it's all reductive, treating it as people being content to eat slop. This movie hinges on a narrative trick - in media res starting "actually the emperor is alive". If you buy it, it's gonna be okayish. If you don't, it's gonna be loving awful. Kinda yea. When I first saw the trailer months back and realised that Palpatine was alive I was like that loving sucks jesus christ those hacks can't think of one original idea. But I had months to just accept it and say gently caress it OK he's alive what else you got and so the movie didn't like fall apart on that revelation like I imagine it would have if they'd kept that a secret. I also went into it knowing a bunch of spoilers so yea I just didn't care I guess so I'm quite forgiving towards the movie than others might be. Like I cared about TLJ going into it from TFA because I, like most, thought there was promise there to be built on, I was excited to see where these characters would go, and TLJ was such a disappointment I was bummed. I feel like a lot of people going into this riding high off TLJ are going to get the same feeling.
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