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Spiderdrake posted:Are nebula even that dense? No. They're tens or even hundreds of lightyears across and are still, for all intents and purposes, as much vacuum and void as the rest of space. It's just their vastness that offers a lot of opportunity for light coming from the other side lots of opportunity to be blocked by something. It's the same as the “asteroid belts” that show up in various space fiction, where you have to do some fancy piloting to not to be crushed by the giant rocks… when in the actual asteroid belt, you would have to have absurdly good telescopes on hand to be able to even see another asteroid while standing on one. The thing about space is that it's quite large. Things are pretty far apart. It's a whole lot of nothing. But that makes for very boring visuals.
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Ponzi posted:Years ago, I read a book called 'Flat Earth News''. It explained why the standards of printed news media have declined in recent years. I guess the same reasons can be used for online news. I've read this book as well a couple of years ago, it was an interesting read, albeit quite depressing in a way. Sanya Juutilainen posted:Real curious question: Comedy answer is that it's the default particles in Cryengine and their juniors either haven't found how to turn it off or how to do anything else. Although this trailer had lots of spark particles as well.
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Armadillo Tank posted:Any gas would be absorbed by massive stellar bodies. So Sci Fi stuff that has nebulas/ gas clouds in system are kinda wrong. Most goons are net emitters of gas, while being massive stellar bodies. I wouldn’t discount exotica like a gas giant with a captured secondary hitting the upper atmosphere with a significant gravitational sheer enough to really gently caress things up, but it still takes an absolute shitton of material to provide anything remotely foggy. My name is Hav, and I occasionally design solar systems.
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Tippis posted:No. They're tens or even hundreds of lightyears across and are still, for all intents and purposes, as much vacuum and void as the rest of space. This is the point where I boost ‘Space engine’ for its portrayal of a ‘total perspective vortex’ of space. https://store.steampowered.com/app/314650/SpaceEngine/ Wider than elite, probably a lot shallower, but bursting with scientific truthiness. Treat yourself.
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A Chris-Mas Carol Chris Roberts waves his hands around a lot and yells at his staff about the color of a pixel. That night he is visited by the ghost of his brother Erin's self-esteem. "Tonight you will be visited by three ghosts." The ghost of Chris-Mas past is first. He shows him the making of the first Wing Commander game, and how Chris didn't credit the actual game developers. Chris complains about the fidelity of what he sees. The ghost of Chris-Mas present is next. He shows Chris the disaster that is CIG. "This is Tier-0," Chris replies. "It's still early days." The ghost of Chris-Mas future is next. He shows Chris an industry laughing at his lifetime of failures, then forgetting him completely. "You are Derek Smart," Chris tells the ghost. Chris wakes up in his mansion. He leaps out of bed, drives his Porsche to work, waves his hands around a lot and yells at his staff about the color of a pixel. Fin.
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Spiderdrake posted:Are nebula even that dense? No they’re only slightly more dense than the normal interstellar medium, a region with the same volume as earth would only contain a few kilograms of matter. Same with asteroid belts. The only regions of space with the sort of densities you see in sci-fi would be the accretion disks of black holes or the debris fields resulting from the collisions of large planetary bodies. As for your second question, in the weird world of Star Citizen, people think that art assets shoved into a broken Cryengine mod will somehow equal a game some day. colonelwest fucked around with this message at 08:21 on Dec 26, 2019 |
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kilus aof posted:All of this video was created on the fly by a 64kB file: Yeah, but to be fair, Mercury as a demo group consists of highly clever, technically versed people who probably forgot more about graphics programming than the typical 25yr old senior at CIG will ever know. Also, it is highly unlikely that these people would work for a con-artist like CR. Ahahaha, what the...? How did I miss this? This marvel-ripoff intro alone is gold! And yeah, the typical demo scene video has more of a stroyline than this. But nice models, though. This rotating ship at minute 2 is also something I would expect from either a cheesy 90s trailer or some 15yr old making his first steps in video editing. I can only assume that Calders stopped by at Chris' mansion, asking about SQ42 and the absolute silence. "Mr. Roberts, we are worried that people will stop giving our endeavor free money, there was no information about this Squadron 54 game this year, what is going on?" CR: "Caldi-Boy, calm down, I've got this. Want a cigar? Or a good nosy-nosy? Anyway, I've tasked some intern to make some video, that'll set things straight" "Mr. Roberts, are you claiming that this short video with no real content will smooth out the waves and get people to give us more money without questions?" CR: "Oh what do you know, I've made Wing Commander! I`am C-H-R-I-S R-O-B-E-R-T-S! This video is still more than these fools deserve, got it? Now please excuse me, I've got more important business to attend to, Grafton will show you the door"
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Not because we are constantly fudstering over here but this visual teaser is legit seriously yawn inducing and far from the impressive but fake visuals shown in previous years cons etc. It does not just disappoint for the obvious lack of actual gameplay but for the visuals themselves. Honestly, it is almost like CIG is not even trying anymore. Disappointed. MedicineHut fucked around with this message at 11:47 on Dec 26, 2019 |
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MedicineHut posted:Not because we are constantly fudstering over here but this visual teaser is legit seriously yawn inducing and far from the impressive but fake visuals shown in previous years cons etc. It does not just disappoint for the obvious lack of actual gameplay but for the visuals themselves. Honestly, it is almost like CIG is not even trying anymore. Disappointed. Agreed, but at this point anything is better than nothing at this point for the citizens. quote:I have to say that I really enjoyed the teaser. Especially the many details were interesting and the graphics are even better. Which is of course annoying for the "But this looks old-fashioned even for an Alpha"-trolls. As if there were two different trailers/teasers and I've watched the wrong one...
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Tippis posted:The thing about space is that it's quite large. Things are pretty far apart. It's a whole lot of nothing. But that makes for very boring visuals. that sums it up perfectly. space is like infinite nothingness. it is something hard to grasp for our human minds and also quite scary to imagine.
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About as much gameplay shown as in a 3DMark benchmark. At least 3DMark 2001 had some kind of racing mode built-in.
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Merry Christmas Citizens. Let's have a great 2950!!
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quote:Nice! I had wondered when Star Citizen was going to take a break from all those gameplay focused video showcases and focus on visuals for a change! An unexpected Christmas gift! quote:The gameplay development has happened so rapidly, it's nice to see them take a little time and work on the cosmetics of the game. quote:I just hope they start announcing more ships I am so disappointed by the latest trend of large roadmap progress and consistently release new features like salvage. quote:
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Bofast posted:About as much gameplay shown as in a 3DMark benchmark. At least 3DMark 2001 had some kind of racing mode built-in. As I said elsewhere, i know some guys who given a few weeks, 90 days tops, could produce a FMV pretty much like that. While the gameplay video shown 2 years ago had cut scenes, and contained a lot of boring walking down corriodors, you could be pretty sure it was actually recorded in the game (or in some form of the game, possibly in a custom SC level) and someone could actually play it. This video was pure bullshot.
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MedicineHut posted:Not because we are constantly fudstering over here but this visual teaser is legit seriously yawn inducing and far from the impressive but fake visuals shown in previous years cons etc. It does not just disappoint for the obvious lack of actual gameplay but for the visuals themselves. Honestly, it is almost like CIG is not even trying anymore. Disappointed. In 2005 at e3 Sony released a Killzone 2 gameplay trailer they claimed was running on a PS3. Which was clearly a pre-rendered video especially because Guerrilla Games had only just received the PS3 dev kits. A lot of people called bull on that. Same poo poo happened with Madden 06. Now this wasn't the first time game companies had pulled this poo poo but this was right at the point Internet video had gone mainstream and the term bullshot was created because of those videos so I had a little hope this had enough momentum to stop this in its tracks. Of course I was wrong, really wrong. The games weren't punished in sales for blatant lies and their franchises just got bigger and bigger. And game companies to this day keep putting out bullshots. Gamers as a group are dumb. You can explain things to them but you can't understand it for them. They complain all year that the e3 trailers didn't match the games released and then when the next e3 comes around will blindly jumped back on the hype train. Pretty pictures will always trick gamers.
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Agony Aunt posted:As I said elsewhere, i know some guys who given a few weeks, 90 days tops, could produce a FMV pretty much like that. True, but I have the feeling that this video from 2yrs ago could have been a stock-standard CryEngine map with 100% scripted NPCs and such, just to show something and figure out the rest later. I'am pretty sure that if CIG has something with substance we would know by now. The sad part is that such an amateurish teaser with no gameplay footage in it after a year of silence is enough for the backers to be happy again. I think this only works because for most citizens, game development (and by extent, development of complex software systems) is some kind of black magic and they literally don't understand that such a video could be put together in a few hours (the assets are there, after all) with absolutely no game logic attached to it, not even collision detection and such, let alone AI. Actually, one could even argue that this teaser is meant as some sick demonstration of might, announced as a "christmas surprise": Show off some 3D models, use tropes like the spinning spaceship and the marvel intro, and without any gameplay whatsoever just to demonstrate how gullible and servile the backers have become. The normal reaction to such a video should have been "are you loving kidding me?", not "wow, so much detail! faith restored!"
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Why do all the people move like they are in a PS2 game, Roberts have spent like 100 Mill on mocap but not on a generic walking animation?
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Sandweed posted:Why do all the people move like they are in a PS2 game, Roberts have spent like 100 Mill on mocap but not on a generic walking animation? There were rumors that the whole mocap stuff he did prematurely because he couldn't wait to direct A-list actors is not usable at this point. I have no idea about motion capturing and don't know what kind of pre/post-processing has to be done to get it into a game engine, but given that we are talking about CR I don't think this is entirely out of question. On the other hand, walking in video games is surprisingly hard. I think death stranding does it really well, but even that glitches out sometimes in difficult terrain, and they had actually competent engineers, something CIG doesn't have. So i don't expect this will get much better than the bad animations we currently have in SC and probably S42 if it ever releases (lol)
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ggangensis posted:There were rumors that the whole mocap stuff he did prematurely because he couldn't wait to direct A-list actors is not usable at this point. I have no idea about motion capturing and don't know what kind of pre/post-processing has to be done to get it into a game engine, but given that we are talking about CR I don't think this is entirely out of question. I remember those rumors and it's entirely believable. If I'm not mistaken he had those guys in motion-capture getups before almost anything was done with actually building a game. We'll just snap it in! That was also the genesis of the rumor that he tried to get some of those actors on the hook for returning for additional motion capture and at least one actor said no loving way, we're never coming back. I love this dead gay game.
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Sandweed posted:Why do all the people move like they are in a PS2 game, Roberts have spent like 100 Mill on mocap but not on a generic walking animation? Imagine you wanted people to see you like a bigshot Hollywood director. "The cutscenes were great and this guy should make a movie" people would cry. You'd instantly get your ticket back into Hollywood and everyone would forget what a massive failure you are and also your name would be mentioned alongside Scorsese and Spielberg because you're such an industry icon. Everyone would cheer and you'd arrive at the Oscars in a limousine. Everyone who doubted you eats their words and forgives all debt. If you're having problems imagining this, or have started to point out logical flaws, you're more competent than Chris Roberts.
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Mailer posted:Imagine you wanted people to see you like a bigshot Hollywood director. "The cutscenes were great and this guy should make a movie" people would cry. You'd instantly get your ticket back into Hollywood and everyone would forget what a massive failure you are and also your name would be mentioned alongside Scorsese and Spielberg because you're such an industry icon. Everyone would cheer and you'd arrive at the Oscars in a limousine. Everyone who doubted you eats their words and forgives all debt. It's funny but sad at the same time. It must be hard to let go - I mean technically, for a small while, he was "there." He had his name on a pretty successful game, and a fledgling industry was temporarily mistaken for another at the exact time that was necessary for Chris to worm his way into Hollywood right alongside another little-known sci-fi property (Star Wars if I'm not mistaken) and at the time one sci-fi property was much like another. The planets lined up exactly that way to let Chris into a seat he should never have been in, but in his mind, he was "there." And now he's not. So he doesn't understand that it was a fluke - he was the Honey Boo-Boo of directors, and his 15 minutes was longer than most. He's very unlikely to give that up until he's had time to frame a narrative that keeps his ego intact.
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Hey! Was just wondering, how much will it cost me to buy a Christmas-themed hat in the game?
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ggangensis posted:There were rumors that the whole mocap stuff he did prematurely because he couldn't wait to direct A-list actors is not usable at this point. I have no idea about motion capturing and don't know what kind of pre/post-processing has to be done to get it into a game engine, but given that we are talking about CR I don't think this is entirely out of question. There was one of the E3 PC game shows where both Star Citizen and Elite Dangerous were being mentioned and pimped. David Braben flew from the UK to appear. Chris lived an hour or so drive from the awards, but couldn't go as he was too busy doing mo-cap. And sent a video mail instead wearing a mo cap suit. Wish I could find the magic words on youtube here to get it here.
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quote:Imagine trying to compare Star Citizen to RDR2 just to prove a point. NO game can be compared to Star Citizen because no game has reached for the stars (pun intended) nearly as much as this game has. The scope of SC and SQ42 to me adds at least another 3-5 years on top of any previous AAA game. And since a normal AAA game can take ~7 years, why do people have a hard time with a 10 year timeline? It's simple logic 
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Scruffpuff posted:So the 2019 Christmas reveal was a fake trailer that does not in any way represent the state of the project. There was no way to see this curveball coming. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcHAfaQh3QE They are well on track tho, a Citizen mailed me this as proof of progress , because He felt I am downplaying the AAAA game impression of SQ42
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Sandweed posted:Why do all the people move like they are in a PS2 game, Roberts have spent like 100 Mill on mocap but not on a generic walking animation? Millions for mocap but not a penny for a game.
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Sandweed posted:Why do all the people move like they are in a PS2 game, Roberts have spent like 100 Mill on mocap but not on a generic walking animation? The real question is why such a ~visionary~ would rely on something as primitive as mocap. Surely he would want to create a fully simulated human body down to the individual tendons and all the muscles and such so that you would actually be a virtual human walking around.. Star Citizen QWOP aw yeah edit: hope he doesn't read this post
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happyhippy posted:There was one of the E3 PC game shows where both Star Citizen and Elite Dangerous were being mentioned and pimped. Here it is. Two E3s later, the mere mention of Star Citizen prompted chuckles from the PC Gaming Show crowds and set their twitch stream afire with “Scam Citizen” mockery. Chris sent in a flashy show reel for the upcoming Alpha release, surely expecting elation and fawning, and he got open scorn instead. They apparently didn’t believe he was saving PC Gaming anymore. Those jerks!
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Hav posted:Most goons are net emitters of gas, while being massive stellar bodies. quoting this typo for posterity
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Creed Reunion Tour posted:quoting this typo for posterity Can confirm, just farted.
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Sectopod posted:What's the Homeworld-esque capital ship shown at 0:59 and at the end? That's not a ship, that's a Shubin Mining facility.
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The cultist dream of a world filled with $300 million plus games is a legit nightmare world. Any ounce of creatively, uniqueness , style, flair or risk will be drowned out as only the most bland, trend chasing, corporate approved trash will be trusted with $300 million budgets. Also forget gay characters having more than a tertiary role in a game.
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kilus aof posted:In 2005 at e3 Sony released a Killzone 2 gameplay trailer they claimed was running on a PS3. Which was clearly a pre-rendered video especially because Guerrilla Games had only just received the PS3 dev kits. A lot of people called bull on that. Same poo poo happened with Madden 06. Now this wasn't the first time game companies had pulled this poo poo but this was right at the point Internet video had gone mainstream and the term bullshot was created because of those videos so I had a little hope this had enough momentum to stop this in its tracks. Of course I was wrong, really wrong. The games weren't punished in sales for blatant lies and their franchises just got bigger and bigger. And game companies to this day keep putting out bullshots. Most, if not all, trailers that don't show obvious gameplay will have fine print at the bottom that says "not actual gameplay" (usually for pre rendered footage) or "in engine footage" (for something that's not gameplay).
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ggangensis posted:There were rumors that the whole mocap stuff he did prematurely because he couldn't wait to direct A-list actors is not usable at this point. I have no idea about motion capturing and don't know what kind of pre/post-processing has to be done to get it into a game engine, but given that we are talking about CR I don't think this is entirely out of question. Not surprised. Especially when he wants it to be THEM motion captured for everything.
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Here's a trailer from Ultima Online 2 that does exactly the same thing as this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EGWBSjHVGI Hm, I'm sure this isn't a great comparison. I mean, what happened to UO2?
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hottubrhymemachine posted:edit: conspicuous by their absence were the A lister hollywood celebs from squadron 42, i’d have thought their tier 0 mark hamil and gillian anderson would be front and center. instead we got nothing... wonder what’s going on there. i’d love to be a fly on the wall... This probably correct and simple explanation for this is that most of the stars have contracts written so they get paid out every time their likeness is used in "new" media; so it's probably just CI
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ggangensis posted:There were rumors that the whole mocap stuff he did prematurely because he couldn't wait to direct A-list actors is not usable at this point. I have no idea about motion capturing and don't know what kind of pre/post-processing has to be done to get it into a game engine, but given that we are talking about CR I don't think this is entirely out of question. Considering the number of times they've announced they were going back to the mocap studio for reshoots and pickups, it's not hard to imagine that they didn't really plan ahead and had to throw tons of poo poo out. I mean we know for a fact that they didn't plan for female animations and had to go back and recapture them lol. EvilMerlin posted:That's not a ship, that's a Shubin Mining facility. they did also rip off Homeworld with the Pioneer, a couple years ago though.
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