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Thompsons posted:J's Reviews with a retrospective on season 1 of Batman Beyond, probably the only Darker and Edgier cartoon from then that actually pulled it off well. The review’s a little overlong for my liking, but the cartoon itself is fantastic and among the best material that group of people ever put out. It’s a dumb premise that’s saved entirely by the care put into fleshing out the characters and setting. That first season is so goddamn bleak. Bruce Wayne and his teen sidekick are utterly at the mercy of a terrible world, and it’s horrible to watch.
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Fate is a cool idea that is wasted
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Dec 30, 2019 23:31
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Batman Beyond is great, but it always reminds me of that Gotham High show that almost got made. I almost want to see what a trainwreck it could have been.
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Dec 30, 2019 23:34
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:The review’s a little overlong for my liking, but the cartoon itself is fantastic and among the best material that group of people ever put out. It’s a dumb premise that’s saved entirely by the care put into fleshing out the characters and setting. It's funny because when it first came out you had your typical crop of nerds complaining that Terry's so much worse at being Batman and it's like, yeah, doy, he shouldn't be amazing at it since he's not even out of high school yet. Between him gradually learning how to be a hero and getting his own little rogue's gallery I thought it managed a more consistent quality than Batman: TAS did.
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Dec 30, 2019 23:35
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Pity that Blight vanished into the ether after so much build-up.
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Dec 30, 2019 23:40
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But you got Mad Stan.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-09gNDsPzQ
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Endorph posted:Like 1/3rd of the fanbase is female [...] let's not pretend it like, only appeals to stereotypical anime nerds or something, it's pretty normal. Because women and stereotypical anime nerds are mutually exclusive categories.
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Dec 31, 2019 00:00
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Fate sucks because they had a fun concept (historic and mythological figures fighting) and then immediately ruined it with the worst poo poo imaginable. So much pedophilia and repeating of the same plot twist ([historical figure] is a girl! Wow!) over and over and all the power level wank makes me so depressed it got popular.
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Dec 31, 2019 00:07
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Shriek is the best Beyond villain.
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Dec 31, 2019 00:07
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Honestly you're best off just reading the visual novel. If the porn upsets you then there's a patch that sanitizes the game for you. Though honestly the porn is badly written and the fan translation leaves a lot to be desired. But its still an interesting little read whose 3 routes build on one another thematicaly until the ending. I personally enjoyed Fate/Zero, but then again I enjoy most of TM-verse stuff. Though if you want to read something in the fate universe that isnt a visual and thats fairly stand alone, try Fate/Strange Fake. Basically its a what if story about having a Grail War in America and things get really fucky. Like one of the servants they summon is loving Pestilence, one of the horsemen of the apocalypse.
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Dec 31, 2019 00:17
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Arguing against mediocrity seems like a dangerous game for Jon Jafari to be playing. He's already an Iranian white nationalist, which, I don't know if that's the most dangerous game but it's up there!
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SunAndSpring posted:Fate sucks because they had a fun concept (historic and mythological figures fighting) and then immediately ruined it with the worst poo poo imaginable. So much pedophilia and repeating of the same plot twist ([historical figure] is a girl! Wow!) over and over and all the power level wank makes me so depressed it got popular. I've ONLY watched Fate/Zero, which had some ideas I found interesting (main protagonist wants to be a hero by being a hard man making hard decisions, is shown personally how wrong those ideal are and that they will never lead to peace by showing scenario after scenario where he has to save people by sacrificing other people, realizes he's basically mudered everyone he has ever loved with his own hands for nothing. Also liked Gilgameshes gay temptation scene with someone else) but it cannot be recommended with Saber's treatment and the rest of the franchise looks like it doesn't even try and just is ... embarrassing. I stand by that Madoka is actually good unless you have terminal internet poisoning. Most of the people I see with merch of it irl are women including transwomen. Urobuchi has problems outside Madoka - I have also watched Kamen Rider Gaim and it was actually very sexist. I think he said he wanted to actually end on a positive note in Madoka because it was magical girls or he worked with women more on that series or something - but Madoka itself is something where I personally relate really hard to all the characters. Honestly, kind of harder than I did back in the day. Whenever I'm trying not to talk about politics that now include Ice and Climate change in addition to all the past crimes of America when I talk to my sister and her husband - who are good people with good lives but are basically rich neoliberal and I probably do not have my own poo poo together enough to push for my own ideas and sources - I kind of think of a lot of the scenes where Madoka is trying to talk to family members and not think of the things she's seen. (also: I finished original dub evangelion and I'm like... why the gently caress do neon genesis evangelion fans never get the judgement and get called edgy pedophiles. Madoka's like barely TV-Y7 compared to the absolute torture Rei and Asuka are put through) Kamen Rider Ryuki is something that BOTH Madoka and Fate are accused of being rip offs of, basically being a battle royal thing, but I think Madoka only kind of started with the same idea and went in a better direction.
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Fate... Is good.
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marathon Stairmaster sesh posted:Shriek is the best Beyond villain. Inque was good too. I actually really liked seeing the relics of Bruce's rogues gallery and what happened to them in forty years. Fries had his life ruined, Bane destroyed himself and R'as possessed his daughter when his body was destroyed.
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Dec 31, 2019 00:32
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marathon Stairmaster sesh posted:Shriek is the best Beyond villain. His debut is definitely among the best episodes, if not the best.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Inque was good too. I actually really liked seeing the relics of Bruce's rogues gallery and what happened to them in forty years. Fries had his life ruined, Bane destroyed himself and R'as possessed his daughter when his body was destroyed. Also Superman.
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Raenir Salazar posted:It wasn't Cu Cullain summoned in Zero, but the other Irish hero. Diarmuid Ua Duibhne; Cu is summoned into the OG Fate series. I legitimately did not know that those were supposed to be two different characters because they're, like, identical except for minor differences in hairstyle and armor color. I've encountered many different kinds of people who like Fate stuff and I kinda get the impression that they mostly enjoy it because it's full of pretty anime people that lend themselves well to fanworks. The biggest Fate fan I ever knew was an MD who just happened to enjoy the number and variety of anime husbandos in the Fate series (I guess she was a little bit of a stereotypical anime nerd). It seems to occupy the same cultural space as something like Touken Ranbu - primarily just a big gaggle of appealing/attractive character designs that can be used to sell things. Regardless of the general quality of Fate media, I don't think you can draw any conclusions about a person based on the knowledge that they're a Fate fan. Hemingway To Go! posted:(main protagonist wants to be a hero by being a hard man making hard decisions, is shown personally how wrong those ideal are and that they will never lead to peace by showing scenario after scenario where he has to save people by sacrificing other people, realizes he's basically mudered everyone he has ever loved with his own hands for nothing.) Yeah so, this was what I thought was so ludicrously obvious from minute 1 of episode 1 that I was just waiting for the show to subvert it in some way. But no. Badass man will kill anyone and do anything so that he can achieve world peace with a magical wish-granting device. Oh noooo, the badass man wins, but it turns out the wish will be corrupted to be twisted and dark! Who could have seen that coming? Casey Finnigan fucked around with this message at 00:42 on Dec 31, 2019 |
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Dec 31, 2019 00:38
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Clerical Terrors posted:Because women and stereotypical anime nerds are mutually exclusive categories. FGO made fate so mainstream in japan that random rear end housewives and elderly people know of it and alot even play it. it really isn't some fringe series for otaku anymore. Like, this narrative is like saying only unwashed neckbeards or turbo nerds know what Marvel is. Might have been true 20 years ago or w/e but aint the case now. Ibram Gaunt fucked around with this message at 00:54 on Dec 31, 2019 |
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Dec 31, 2019 00:48
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Uh. The man is shown that he's not a badass like he thought. The wish was not corrupted, he turns it down and never calls himself a hero again because it's shown what HIS ideals about the greater good and what being a hero means leads to.
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Hemingway To Go! posted:Uh. Yes, and the message is really obvious and they beat you over the head with it relentlessly. That was the problem. The whole show, you watch a guy use ruthlessly cruel methods so he can wish for world peace, thinking the whole time "oh so if he gets to make the wish, he's gonna get into a monkey's paw situation with the wishing device because he's being a hypocrite." Then he does. I mean, maybe that in itself is not bad writing necessarily, but it was just so drat straightforward. Also the show did not seem to be very clear on the question of whether or not the grail was cursed, because I definitely left the last episode thinking that it was.
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Ibram Gaunt posted:FGO made fate so mainstream in japan that random rear end housewives and elderly people know of it and alot even play it. it really isn't some fringe series for otaku anymore. are you suggesting that goons are 20 years behind the times when it comes to anime stereotypes???
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I mean, I guess it is very simple. And the Grail was corrupted or not the real Grail or something, but it was basically telling him the truth and granted someone else's wish without a problem, so for all practical purposes it was real. It's simple but I thought it was expressed in a cool way and those kinds of ideals are basically held unironically by so many protagonists that I enjoyed a good take down of it.
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Casey Finnigan posted:Yes, and the message is really obvious and they beat you over the head with it relentlessly. That was the problem. The whole show, you watch a guy use ruthlessly cruel methods so he can wish for world peace, thinking the whole time "oh so if he gets to make the wish, he's gonna get into a monkey's paw situation with the wishing device because he's being a hypocrite." Then he does. I mean, maybe that in itself is not bad writing necessarily, but it was just so drat straightforward. It was, but the full story of how it got cursed is in another story. The one that Fate/Zero is a prequel to, Fate/Stay Night. Specifically the Heaven's Feel scenario. Other Fate stuff is usually much better at letting female Servants kick rear end and have agency. FGO had Drake defeat Poseidon while still human.
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Casey Finnigan posted:Yes, and the message is really obvious and they beat you over the head with it relentlessly. That was the problem. The whole show, you watch a guy use ruthlessly cruel methods so he can wish for world peace, thinking the whole time "oh so if he gets to make the wish, he's gonna get into a monkey's paw situation with the wishing device because he's being a hypocrite." Then he does. I mean, maybe that in itself is not bad writing necessarily, but it was just so drat straightforward. Its based on a light novel series for teenagers. You really shouldn't be expecting super heavy plot twists.. And the Grail is cursed yes. So I guess it was clear enough for you to reach that conclusion?
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Arcsquad12 posted:But you got Mad Stan.
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Fabricated posted:Voiced by none other than Henry Rollins. Henry Rollins basically doing his character from the film adaptation of Johnny Mnemonic, almost line for line
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MiddleOne posted:Jump in anywhere and hope for the best. The only winning move is not to play. Bakeneko posted:Anime youtuber Red Bard made a video answering this exact question.  I feel like I owe an apology to Tetsuya Nomura and Kingdom Hearts. I thought that was the peak of esoteric names and ordering for sequels/prequels, but holy hell.Where does PADORU PADORU fall in all of this? MonsieurChoc posted:The phone game is free and mostly stand-alone. It has a surprisingly good story for a gacha game, although it takes a couple chapters to really get going. The phone game sounds like its the biggest thing right now, but I'm a little wary of downloading it; partially because of the micro-transactions, and partially out of the embarrassment of being caught playing an anime phone game in public. I'll just add it to my wishlist for now... The visual novel was what I figured would be the best starting point ,and those two videos, and those two video say that as well. What I've heard about the visual novel, though, is that it's actually not that easy to run on modern systems, which I find odd, since visual novels have never struck me as the kind of games that would suffer a lot of compatibility issues. Ibram Gaunt posted:People keep bringing up the fact that it had porn in its 2004 release like some big sick own when it was done entirely because selling VNs for PC without ero content was extremely risky and having 1 sex scene per 50 hours of reading means that I don't think anyone bought or read it for the porn. Just a hunch. Especially with it being excised from every release since and the author doesn't consider that version canon anymore. I think Ys was the only real prominent series in terms of Japanese PC games at that time that didn't have pron. Plus, Ys, had a superior bump system! 
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Casey Finnigan posted:
On my finnicky glitchy laptop for my extended holiday vacation but here goes. I mean... Anyone who spends a sufficiently long enough time browsing TV Tropes or consuming media is going to be sufficiently well versed in story telling convention to the point that you will basically never ever again be surprised by anything. There was this episode a decade ago of Jimmy Neutron Boy Genius where he goes back and time and accidentally undoes his dad's marriage proposal because he wanted him to invest in Not!Apple and have enough money to buy him a awesome set of encyclopedias. I predicted the entire plot of the episode story beat to story beat and my brother accused me of already seeing the episode. I never actually saw it before, but I immediately recognized that all of this had happened before in different media and will unfold in front of me yet again; it was still enjoyable for me though, what else was I going to watch as a kid, more Seinfeld reruns or Fraser? The "Genie" that is the Holy Grail being malevolent is a well traveled trope; it's just a reskin of it, so isn't it just a mcguffin though? I don't think that's really important except for how its supposed to be this plot device that fuels the motivations and actions of all the characters obsessed with it. If anything by default an uncorrupted grail is at least a LITTLE bit different; its repeatedly stressed by mages within the setting that the Grail is just a giant mana battery; it can't do anything that magecraft or technology can't do, it just skips a lot of steps for you. In Fate/Grand Order one Mage who *does* win a Holy Grail War and uses it successfully wishes for a giant pile of money and that's it. So that's kinda interesting in how mundane it actually is conceptually. Fate/Zero's plot purpose is all about explaining extraneous and mysterious background details from the original VN. Which results in Fate/Zero is meant to be this dark "forgone conclusion" that fleshes out a lot of the off hand background details about what happened in the previous Holy Grail War and why the current one is happening so soon after it. We know how it ends, so I think its meant more about the journey that gets there and developing the characters that become more central to the main story of the VNs. I think all prequels basically have this problem because you have a well defined start and end point which constrains you. At the very least we get a very good look at how the "Mind of Steel" Bad End Shirou would be just as broken and miserable a human being as Kiritsugu and Zero does do that job well. Kiritsugu loses hard and kills his own dream with his own two hands, he gets saved by saving just one person. Like all of Zero can be compared to that one episode of Doctor Who which culminates in the Doctor saving just one family of Romans due to Donna's prodding. Kiritsugu's dream, his goals, are all a lie, but he gets to be saved by saving Shirou and dies content; and passes on that dream to Shirou who figures out how to realize it in a workable way. Zero is the foundation being set for Shirou's own arc to become a superhero on his own terms. Casey Finnigan posted:Yes, and the message is really obvious and they beat you over the head with it relentlessly. That was the problem. The whole show, you watch a guy use ruthlessly cruel methods so he can wish for world peace, thinking the whole time "oh so if he gets to make the wish, he's gonna get into a monkey's paw situation with the wishing device because he's being a hypocrite." Then he does. I mean, maybe that in itself is not bad writing necessarily, but it was just so drat straightforward. Fate/Zero is a prequel released after a number of other works and to some extent if you watch one Fate work you need the others if you want to fully understand everything 110% completionistly so. There's a reason why the Heaven's Feel movies Skipped a large section of Fate that is basically the same across all three routes because like Spider Man's origin story its been done to death and everyone knows it. No one in F/Z know the Grail is cursed, but the audience generally already knows much like everyone who watches the Prequels for SW knows Anakin turns into Darth Vader; how this happened gets explained in Hollow/Ataraxia which is a more light hearted comedic heart warming spin off/sequel to the VNs with some more serious PLOT sprinkled in. Zero is just one fate work and its meant to contrast with other fate works. Kiritsugu's methods of treating people and things as equally disposable is a inditement of how mages typically treat everything and everyone as disposable tools to reach the Root/Akashkic Records (Look at Kiritsugu's dad's actions). Raenir Salazar fucked around with this message at 01:41 on Dec 31, 2019 |
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Also regarding that understanding fate vid, please don't link to the homophobic grifter who tries to mine and sell personal information of underage and disabled people tia.
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Fate/Zero isn't that great imo but a lot of it's formed around the typical constraints of a sequel where most of the key figures have their endpoints locked in and the writer has to navigate in or around those lines. Unsurprisingly the most popular pair of characters are basically original and disconnected from the main plot. It still has a lot of pacing and writing issues on those terms though (ex. giving a preexisting character a subplot that could've made them engaging despite being doomed to backslide emotionally but dropping it after an episode).
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Motto posted:Fate/Zero isn't that great imo but a lot of it's formed around the typical constraints of a sequel where most of the key figures have their endpoints locked in and the writer has to navigate in or around those lines. Unsurprisingly the most popular pair of characters are basically original and disconnected from the main plot. Which is the most popular pair of characters? Is it Iskandar and Waver? Because the scenes with those two are far and away the best in the show.
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Casey Finnigan posted:Which is the most popular pair of characters? Is it Iskandar and Waver? Because the scenes with those two are far and away the best in the show. It seems really interesting to me how often this seems to be the case in Fate Spinoffs and when it's not. In Apocrypha you had Mordred and Kisigo as hands down the most popular with Frankenstein's Monster and Glasses Kid coming up close. And yes, Iskandar and Waver were the fan favourites for Zero; although Waver is a major mover and shaker in of himself in his later years and now has a whole prequel spinoff anime (Case Files) for himself which is fairly rad; so it isn't exactly accidental.
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Max Wilco posted:The phone game sounds like its the biggest thing right now, but I'm a little wary of downloading it; partially because of the micro-transactions, and partially out of the embarrassment of being caught playing an anime phone game in public. I'll just add it to my wishlist for now... You can easily never spend a cent on micro-transactions. The low-rarity servants can be surprisingly good and every time there's a new challenge boss, someone will destroy it on youtube using only low-rarity characters. Of course Gacha is evil and will make you want to get every new character they introduce. That's how they make all the money after all.
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ACES CURE PLANES posted:Also regarding that understanding fate vid, please don't link to the homophobic grifter who tries to mine and sell personal information of underage and disabled people tia. every time a post like this happens i just 
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The only thing I know about Fate is that its writing, plot, and fanbase are really bad and when someone I knew told me to play the mobile game because it was awesome, I had too look up the characters I was getting on the wiki and there I was given a revelation that almost every female character is, or at least looks, the same. They also all seem to have the same name. So there's a circumstance in which one character has sex with their own sister, who looks just like them, and has a kid, who also looks just like them, that has the same name as them. Also it's kind of weird that most of these characters, named after historical figures, just happen to be women, or little girls, who often wear very little clothing. Fate is bad and I don't think I trust anyone who says it's good anymore. Ibram Gaunt posted:FGO made fate so mainstream in japan that random rear end housewives and elderly people know of it and alot even play it. it really isn't some fringe series for otaku anymore. Old people play pokemon go, too, but that doesn't mean the people who jerk off to gardevoir aren't still weirdos.
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Nuebot posted:The only thing I know about Fate is that its writing, plot, and fanbase are really bad and when someone I knew told me to play the mobile game because it was awesome, I had too look up the characters I was getting on the wiki and there I was given a revelation that almost every female character is, or at least looks, the same. They also all seem to have the same name. So there's a circumstance in which one character has sex with their own sister, who looks just like them, and has a kid, who also looks just like them, that has the same name as them. Also it's kind of weird that most of these characters, named after historical figures, just happen to be women, or little girls, who often wear very little clothing. did you just like read some anime twitter hottakes or something...what even is any of this.
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Speaking of oversexualized teenagers, here's a breakdown of Riverdale and its frankly embarrassing writing.
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You know that "King Arthur fucks his sister, who gives birth to Mordred" is literally a hundreds of years old part of the Arthurian cycle, right, trying to blame fate for that one is peak dipshit
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