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I love how delusional they are about cyberpunk 2077. All other platforms are over one million users. Stadia is under one million (for anyone that's on the paid 4k/60fps subscription) why is the dev gonna put in extra effort for an edition that 500k users might only get to see and likely wouldn't result in extra sales? The Witcher 3 had some bad ps4 pro patches for a while that took a few months to get out and that was probably the dominant sales platform. CDPK aren't magical devs, and this is the same delusion that star citizens have that CIG will magically make the most immersive and deep space game ever when at best they're still copying things that have been done before and smushing it all together in one game poorly.
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They have a grand long-term scope for Stadia being ~forever~ due to a lack of hardware. Google will "merely" upgrade the VM's over time so it gets better ~forever~ rather than having to buy a console every 5-10 years. The harder reality of it is that, if Stadia actually did work as-advertised, it would probably be a slower upgrade cycle than consoles. The infrastructure's functionally a cloud enterprise platform, and anything working to that scope has "what's the next stable version up?" as the focus of each upgrade rather than something cutting edge.
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Jan 3, 2020 12:29
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I can't see how often Google will likely have to upgrade all the servers since we're about to enter the age of 'free players' soon and I can't see stadia getting that much of a profit for the games themselves (after the publisher/dev cut, after paying off the hardware and electricity use) given the small install base. Right now their hardware is either not able to run red dead redemption 2 better than Xbox one or the developer can't be bothered to put in that much effort on a port that a small percentage of the overall audience base will ever see (seriously stadia probably represents like 1% of all copies of rdr2 in existence)
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Jan 3, 2020 12:40
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The real problem about Stadia is that outside of us and Reddit no one cares about it.
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Jan 3, 2020 13:25
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On new years eve I was hit with a power surge that killed my pc AND my ps3 being extremely poor and never having got a ps4. For the past few days I have been locked to a phone unable to play anything more intensive than FFRK the cost of replacing my old PC will be around $1200, and I say this to emphatically state it could be $3600 and I'd pay it gladly before even considering a loving Stadia.
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Jan 3, 2020 13:52
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Communist Walrus posted:I'm hard-pressed to think of a game where the devs have gone back and made major system/graphics updates based on hardware advances that 1.) wasn't an MMO and 2.) wasn't released as its own separate remastered edition. But I'm sure the missing ingredient was Stadia. I can really think of exactly one such example: the retroactively patched "Enhanced for X" games on the Xbone. Not many older games got an X patch and even fewer got any actual benefit beyond improved resolution, but hey, at least some did.
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Jan 3, 2020 14:02
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Most yearly sports games are basically just the same game over and over with graphical upgrades slapped on top, I suppose.
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Jan 3, 2020 14:06
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Just wait until you can beam 10g cell service directly in to your brain so you can access your Stadia catalog from anywhere at any time without even needing a controller.
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Jan 3, 2020 14:32
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Zoig posted:Honestly if you really seriously need to hide playing video games from your partner in 2019 you probably have way deeper problems that need dealing with. Wife: why is the internet bill so high this month? Me: drat kids. Well, I'm off to work *chuckling as I slip behind the secret panel I installed in the attic* *waits hours for wife to start vaccuuming so she won't hear the clacks of Stadia controller*
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Onmi posted:On new years eve I was hit with a power surge that killed my pc AND my ps3 being extremely poor and never having got a ps4. For the past few days I have been locked to a phone unable to play anything more intensive than FFRK the cost of replacing my old PC will be around $1200, and I say this to emphatically state it could be $3600 and I'd pay it gladly before even considering a loving Stadia. drat, did your surge kill all your PC's hardware? Not a guarantee, but It could just be a matter of replacing the PSU. Same with your PS3 for that matter. Quite literally the only unique use case I've found for Stadia is being able to play games at work on locked-down machines, but odds are good if your workplace monitors that heavily they'll ask some serious questions about where all this extra bandwidth is coming from. You'd probably get in less trouble just bringing a Switch to work.
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Jan 3, 2020 15:19
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do they all only compare it to the geforce and xbox streaming things bcos the sony one has 800 games and console streaming or whats the deal there
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i think its been determined if u have any interest or access to a ps4 or ps4now you wont consider stadia for a second so yeah they ignore it
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I stand by my purchase as a controller + Ultra package deal. I figured no matter what the controller would probably be one of the better supported ones for the phone for a while. I still have a ton of hope for the technical side of things that Stadia CAN offer and maybe it'll turn into something. I'm not trying to sell a single person on signing up for the loving thing though. Maybe I'll try RDR2 on Stadia.....nope its 2x the price of the Xbox version. Maybe I'll try .... nope doesn't exist. Welp. Maybe kiddo wants to play Farm Simulator 2019....nope, its an actual SIM game and not 'drive tractor around.' And then of course the one loving accessory they made scratches the controller (who loving cares) and was immediately sold out. So now I'm the proud owner of an Xbox controller mount for my phone so I can play XPlane away from the computer. And I finally signed up for XCloud beta, which also works well but you know, has games. So, maybe Q2 Stadia will figure out its "killer feature" to get people to try it. Good thing Google didn't do something stupid and kill off its Twitch competitor right before diving into this.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:You're forgetting you're actually dealing with marketers who social politics are stuck in the 50's and the old ball-and-chain's an obstacle to Real Manly Man Time. One of these days, Alice! Bang! Zoom! Right to the cloud!
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Jan 3, 2020 16:41
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Ineffiable posted:I love how delusional they are about cyberpunk 2077. All other platforms are over one million users. Stadia is under one million (for anyone that's on the paid 4k/60fps subscription) why is the dev gonna put in extra effort for an edition that 500k users might only get to see and likely wouldn't result in extra sales? “Under one million” is extremely generous.
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Jan 3, 2020 16:54
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leftist heap posted:“Under one million” is extremely generous. Approaching ten million sold.
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Jan 3, 2020 18:03
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Destiny 2 on Stadia has 8k people playing regularly, and it's pretty fair to assume that's one of the most popular games on the platform. Extrapolate from that however you like.
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Jan 3, 2020 18:17
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In either event, the fact that they're narrowing the competitive window to "January 2021" when the PS5 isn't supposed to come out until November/December to start with is amusing in its own right. "If there aren't more Stadia players in over a year than people who got a PS5 for Christmas, then I will accept defeat.". I still don't think Stadia wins that bet, but it's amusing to see them have to try and set such a narrow window to give them hope.
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Jan 3, 2020 18:22
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leftist heap posted:Destiny 2 on Stadia has 8k people playing regularly, and it's pretty fair to assume that's one of the most popular games on the platform. Extrapolate from that however you like. Recently on the Giant Bombcast they were talking about Ghost Recon adding the PIP mode, and Jeff wondered if anyone would ever even use it, since he's been intentionally adding as many Stadia friends as possible and he can't even find enough to play Destiny 2 regularly with, the most popular game on the platform. Let alone Breakpoint, a game that was widely panned and has already been out for months on other platforms.
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Rotten Red Rod posted:Recently on the Giant Bombcast they were talking about Ghost Recon adding the PIP mode, and Jeff wondered if anyone would ever even use it, since he's been intentionally adding as many Stadia friends as possible and he can't even find enough to play Destiny 2 regularly with, the most popular game on the platform. Let alone Breakpoint, a game that was widely panned and has already been out for months on other platforms. Excuse me I think you mean Stream Connect™, a revolutionary new feature enabled by the power of The Cloud, not just mere PIP.
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leftist heap posted:Excuse me I think you mean Stream Connect™, a revolutionary new feature enabled by the power of The Cloud, not just mere PIP. Oh, sorry, I'll refer it it by its proper pronunciation, which is the overbearing sound of crickets chirping.
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leftist heap posted:Destiny 2 on Stadia has 8k people playing regularly, and it's pretty fair to assume that's one of the most popular games on the platform. Extrapolate from that however you like. I'll do some fancy extrapolating. If stadia the subreddit with 50k subscribers represent 20% of the potential player base in 2020 (anyone that's subscribed to stadia pro/has a game or will subscribe or buy a game) then we're looking at 250k. This is already generous since r/ps4 has like 2 million subscribers and there's approaching 100 million ps4s. Most games won't even reach over 30% of the player base. So your average game will sell under 75k units. That's totally worth porting to stadia right?
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Stux posted:do they all only compare it to the geforce and xbox streaming things bcos the sony one has 800 games and console streaming or whats the deal there wouldn't be fair to compare it to a full release 1.0 product like that, stadia is in beta and can only be compared to other betas
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Ineffiable posted:I'll do some fancy extrapolating. I'd be willing to believe between paid Pro users and buddy code activations there are 250k total, that doesn't seem too crazy. Clearly there are far fewer active users right now. I think my favorite thing is people believing that the free version is going to take off. Setting aside the fact that the free version has no release date yet and is almost guaranteed to be significant unannounced limitations to it, it's already a pretty cheap entry-fee and has dismal uptake. A lovely product doesn't magically do gangbusters just because it's free.
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Ineffiable posted:I love how delusional they are about cyberpunk 2077. All other platforms are over one million users. Stadia is under one million (for anyone that's on the paid 4k/60fps subscription) why is the dev gonna put in extra effort for an edition that 500k users might only get to see and likely wouldn't result in extra sales? The Stadia app (mandatory for activation, right?) on Google Play is still listed as 100k+ downloads, so I am fairly certain they don't even have 500k users on the Android side of things. Zaodai posted:In either event, the fact that they're narrowing the competitive window to "January 2021" when the PS5 isn't supposed to come out until November/December to start with is amusing in its own right. I don't think they have remotely matched what the Wii U sold in like a month from release up to this point 
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I'd like to remind people that the 4k/60fps/surround sound paid pro membership isn't wowing anyone (that's not a cultist of stadia) and the free membership is going to be even worse. And the games are more expensive than just going on steam or other established platform. I can't wait to see the state of stadia after the ps5 and Xbox sex release.
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quote:I dont know that being thirsty for Frame rates and resolution actually was the gamers idea you know. I remember console and card developers boasting all these things as a yard stick some time back. It then BECAME the only thing youngsters were all yammering about... They lured you all into demanding it because, good god, what on earth else were they going to improve on but tiny subtleties? Ambient acclusions? A bit of extra fog? More random debris? It's really not important but I'm sure the 10.7 Teraflops of Stadia will cope with whatever is thrown at it. And, of course, it will update without us doing a thing in time.
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Oh also if it's on sale you need to be a pro to get the sale..
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all the old gamers never cared about performance and werent running quake at 300 fps for better input lag
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Ineffiable posted:I love how delusional they are about cyberpunk 2077. All other platforms are over one million users. Stadia is under one million (for anyone that's on the paid 4k/60fps subscription) why is the dev gonna put in extra effort for an edition that 500k users might only get to see and likely wouldn't result in extra sales? Especially a multi-platform game getting a game that shows off the power of the cloud! It's not going to happen. Making something significantly different will require a lot of additional resources, and unless someone is paying for it, it ain't happening. But it relates to the biggest problem for the Stadia in terms of getting market share - it has no games that are really unique or system sellers. The only exclusive is Gylt, which... is a game? It's not the kind of thing that's going to get someone to go "I need a Stadia to play this." And selling Stadia as something for dads who can't play video games - as someone said, it just feels archaic. The parents I know that play video games are looking for something to play with the family, or they don't really have a ton of time for playing games since you know, with kids, they tend to take up a lot of time.
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Stux posted:do they all only compare it to the geforce and xbox streaming things bcos the sony one has 800 games and console streaming or whats the deal there I think it's a matter of how US-centric this whole fiasco is. In the US the XBox One is running neck and neck with the PS4 (24.5 million vs 28 million by VGChartz) - and I suspect with the Microsoft Campus in Sillicon Valley and the XBox almost specialising in online multiplayer shooters rather than single player story driven (the way the best PS4 exclusives do) then the Chrome people probably actually think the XBox is the console with mindshare - because round them it is. Also when you ask a PS4 player why the PS4 the first thing they point to is the exclusives. XBox gamers may point to the XBox One X being the most powerful console. Stadia is competing with one of these but not the other.
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There's also a number of cases that come down to "what do my friends have". I mostly play PC, but some of my friends are console gamers and we still like to play games together. They're Playstation guys so I picked up a PS4 Pro to play with them. Even on a level footing, which the Stadia isn't even close to having, the Stadia is facing a real uphill battle in that portion of the market because the odds that all, or even a majority, of your gaming circle is going to jump ship to Stadia for the next console generation are basically nil.
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Stux posted:all the old gamers never cared about performance and werent running quake at 300 fps for better input lag Because nobody knew what the good life looked like.
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Rotten Red Rod posted:Recently on the Giant Bombcast they were talking about Ghost Recon adding the PIP mode, and Jeff wondered if anyone would ever even use it, since he's been intentionally adding as many Stadia friends as possible and he can't even find enough to play Destiny 2 regularly with, the most popular game on the platform. Let alone Breakpoint, a game that was widely panned and has already been out for months on other platforms. I just listened to that one and the much much worse part of the anecdote was that, after announcing that he was accepting every friend request to the whole world, he only got 40 new friend requests. And at this point I think Giant Bomb is hitting that gamer dad audience pretty square on.
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jokes posted:Because nobody knew what the good life looked like. ...the sitcom?
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univbee posted:drat, did your surge kill all your PC's hardware? Not a guarantee, but It could just be a matter of replacing the PSU. Same with your PS3 for that matter. So the computer turns on, though the rear fan isn't spinning. The MoBo boots fine but when it hits boot manager there's an underscore flashing in the middle of the screen and it can't launch a windows install to reinstall to the SSD (had it's install wiped) the HDD or the new HDD I'd recently brought. Checking on other computers the install key was fine. So... yeah. I'm not 100% sure it's dead, but it's 8 years old and I think repairing it isn't worth the cost or replacing it. I'm going to take it to a shop to get analysed then file a claim with the power company. Which should reimburse me some.
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Zaodai posted:Even on a level footing, which the Stadia isn't even close to having, the Stadia is facing a real uphill battle in that portion of the market because the odds that all, or even a majority, of your gaming circle is going to jump ship to Stadia for the next console generation are basically nil. The target market is middle aged men hiding from their wife's teeth. e: Omni, try booting a live linux USB, you may learn which point it breaks at, or might otherwise work. I can't imagine a drive that got wiped in a power surge would ever work again.
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New emerging narrative within the Stadia fanfic community: Lots of Players Playing The Stadia Versions..quote:Posted by u/TijoWasik 32 minutes ago
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Khablam posted:People with friends are not the target market. Doesn't work, won't boot any OS usbs or install usb.
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Meanwhile a tech journo thinks back at 10 years of the other cloud first OS by the big  https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/01/02/chrome-os-has-stalled-out/
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