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Just finished reading that awesome writeup and jesus. They've butchered drat near everyone they called up. Also I apparently forgot a ton of the crap WWE did back when I was watching.
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TriffTshngo posted:Pro Scoopsgal Rarity actually did a big writeup of every NXT callup since the debut of The Shield a few months ago. Despite the early ones being about a 50/50 ratio of Successes to Failures that's mostly going by everything they'd done up to 2019, back in 2014-15 a lot of those "Fails" were either considered successful or undetermined/somewhere in the middle. You can pretty easily spot the exact moment the quality of booking callups dropped off a cliff. Semi-related, that's about when I stopped watching WWE TV for good. Out of that list, how many are actual Performance Center trainees without previous or even extensive wrestling elsewhere? Roman and Corbin? And Roman is of course born to wrestling so he's been steeped in it since birth, so that basically leaves Corbin. Baron Corbin is about the only true, purely WWE PC original with any meaningful main roster success.
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Maybe Wyatt? I don't remember ever hearing about him doing anything before he showed up in original NXT as Husky Harris.
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TriffTshngo posted:Maybe Wyatt? I don't remember ever hearing about him doing anything before he showed up in original NXT as Husky Harris. He kinda would get looped in with the Roman "scion of a wrestling family" category if we really want to call him a true main roster "success". (I wish I could, but I don't.)
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Kvantum posted:He kinda would get looped in with the Roman "scion of a wrestling family" category if we really want to call him a true main roster "success". (I wish I could, but I don't.) "Success" is a strange metric to try and quantify in modern WWE. Jinder Mahal was champion for 6 months. The Lana cucking stuff is apparently the main event angle happening on Raw now because the champion's never around, and god forbid you elevate Andrade. There's no real consistent measuring stick you can use anymore.
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Other people who I am pretty sure have never wrestled outside of the WWE system but have gone onto success would include Charlotte, the Usos, and Big E. I think there's a lot of gray area here, in that people like Kofi Kingston or Sasha Banks or Otis or Velveteen Dream did not literally start wrestling under the WWE banner, but were plucked from relative obscurity in the first year or two of their career, and really developed into the persona/performer they are in a WWE ring. Lumping people like that in with Asuka/Kevin Owens/Samoa Joe/AJ Styles/Finn Balor as "not homegrown talent" seems kind of insane to me.
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Jan 1, 2020 08:42
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Wasn't his name originally Brick Goldberg?
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What would people say is the most famous/iconic face turn in wrestling history?
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macho man reuniting with elizabeth if you can somehow ignore reality. I don't know
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Austin, maybe, but he was a babyface in all but name going into WM13
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Julio Cruz posted:What would people say is the most famous/iconic face turn in wrestling history? Andre turning heel in 87 Hogan at Bash at the Beach
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Batista
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Davros1 posted:Andre turning heel in 87 lol Hogan's heel turn was loving amazing, then he went on one of the best heel runs of all time
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just checked and I definitely put "face" not "heel"
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Probably because they only asked about face turns.
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Julio Cruz posted:What would people say is the most famous/iconic face turn in wrestling history? Do returns count? Triple H has made his career on being a heel, especially in 2000-2001 but his return in 2002 was loving amazing and everybody loved him and welcomed him back as the greatest hero ever.
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Max Coveri posted:Batista 
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Julio Cruz posted:What would people say is the most famous/iconic face turn in wrestling history? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhKisE5000I Not nearly as iconic, but one of my favorites: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjIFYyCWS3g e: poo poo forgot Andre https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVieH5bMTCM Andre was a fantastic seller. StupidSexyMothman fucked around with this message at 22:16 on Jan 3, 2020 |
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Jan 3, 2020 22:09
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Julio Cruz posted:What would people say is the most famous/iconic face turn in wrestling history? I don't know how it ranks on the lists, but the Mr Perfect turn after Heenan slapped him on Prime Time is loving incredible. I feel like this is kind of a hard done. Face turns don't seem to have as much longevity as big moments as heel turns do in my head for some reason. Maybe because heel turns tend to happen because of the heel's actions and face turns tend to happen because of someone doing something to them or being saved by someone else.
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Max Coveri posted:Batista 
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I asked because there was a question in a quiz show which used Macho Man as a famous example of a heel-turned-face and I couldn't decide if he was the best example they could have used or not whereas there are plenty of famous examples of faces-turned-heel, with Hogan probably the most iconic
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Anybody got a picture of Hogan's WCW contract?
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Ric Flair and the Rock are pretty iconic heel-to-face turnarounds, and Terry Funk was great at both.
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Julio Cruz posted:just checked and I definitely put "face" not "heel" Yeah, I read that wrong. Thought you were asking for one or the other.
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Daniel Bryan turning on the Wyatt Family The pipe bomb was in essence a face turn, regardless of how one feels about Punk now, and a great one Also, Undertaker turning on Jake Robert's "Whose side are you on, anyways?" "NOT....YOURS....."
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Breitbart Is Rightbart posted:Anybody got a picture of Hogan's WCW contract? 
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Robbie Eagles quitting the Bullet Club and finally joining Ospreay to pay off their two-year story was pretty great.
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I think the Savage Wrestlemania VII face turn is probably the biggest. Even if the reality of the situation was much uglier. I would personally give it to Undertaker but that happened on a much smaller stage.
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what about that time big show turned face
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Daniel Bryan turning on the Wyatt Family Maybe not the most iconic, but that pop made the WWE change direction (for a short period).
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Seams posted:what about that time big show turned face Best face turn of the year (2001-2015).
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Wise Fwom Yo Gwave posted:Maybe not the most iconic, but that pop made the WWE change direction (for a short period). The imagery of him doing the YES taunt on top of the cage with 99.9% of the crowd doing it with him is something else. It's not as iconic as Batista because WWE didn't act fast enough because of arrogance (shocking, I know).
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I don't remember it very well but there was an episode of RAW with HHH berating Cody and Ted. Everyone was begging them to just lay into HHH right there and they just.. didn't. Speaking of, was Ted salvageable? I'm sure they expected him to be his father without the ten years of indie experience he had and you can't really make that up. I vaguely recall he had a legit glass jaw which amuses me.
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Julio Cruz posted:I asked because there was a question in a quiz show which used Macho Man as a famous example of a heel-turned-face and I couldn't decide if he was the best example they could have used or not Elizabeth running into the ring and throwing Sherri down after Randy lost the career match, turning him face to end his Macho King run is one of the most effective face turns WWE ever did. People in the audience were crying when Randy embraced her, a thing WWE has rarely been able to do. One of my personal favorites was Mark Henry coming out in a gauntlet match Orton was going through, and Orton thinking just like the previous guy that Henry will let himself get counted out - only for the ref to start counting, Mark grabbing his hand, and then wagging his finger while Randy just about shits himself like “oh god, I’m going to die.”
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Admiral Joeslop posted:I don't remember it very well but there was an episode of RAW with HHH berating Cody and Ted. Everyone was begging them to just lay into HHH right there and they just.. didn't. I think it was Orton. Part of the legacy angle.
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That sounds right too. Anything after 99 or so is pretty fuzzy for me.
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