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Low Desert Punk posted:i honestly don't know if it's possible to make a film that the hardcore star wars fans wouldn't like I think it's the other way around, and all but impossible to make a movie the hardcore fans will like because nothing will ever live up to the Star Wars they have in their heads from a mix of childhood nostalgia and the best parts of a shitload of books and games for their whole lives. I guess Marvel found a way to satisfy their fans though, so maybe the people making the Disney movies just did a bad job. 
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Sinteres posted:I think it's the other way around, and all but impossible to make a movie the hardcore fans will like because nothing will ever live up to the Star Wars they have in their heads from a mix of childhood nostalgia and the best parts of a shitload of books and games for their whole lives. I guess Marvel found a way to satisfy their fans though, so maybe the people making the Disney movies just did a bad job. Marvel did it by creating a new group of "hardcore fans" unrelated to the people who originally loved their comic books. There is some overlap but the people who were avid readers are functionally unrelated to the followings gathered during the long procession of identikit on-point-quip-fests. It's easy to satisfy people who were attracted to your specific formula in the first place. Appealing to nostalgia for an older, distinct product and that fan base is several steps more challenging. But you're right that Disney have done a bad job as they attempted to recreate this with their own branding of the sequels ('The Force is female' t-shirts etc.) and subsequently disappointed that new consumer base by killing off the brooding bad boy character.
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Jan 5, 2020 14:51
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Sinteres posted:I think it's the other way around, and all but impossible to make a movie the hardcore fans will like because nothing will ever live up to the Star Wars they have in their heads from a mix of childhood nostalgia and the best parts of a shitload of books and games for their whole lives. I guess Marvel found a way to satisfy their fans though, so maybe the people making the Disney movies just did a bad job. sassassin posted:Marvel did it by creating a new group of "hardcore fans" unrelated to the people who originally loved their comic books. There is some overlap but the people who were avid readers are functionally unrelated to the followings gathered during the long procession of identikit on-point-quip-fests. It's easy to satisfy people who were attracted to your specific formula in the first place. Appealing to nostalgia for an older, distinct product and that fan base is several steps more challenging. i think it's a bit of both. i think disney underestimated how much star wars meant to people. it probably would've been impossible to make a film to appease the hardcore wars fans, but disney also pretty much made a story that wouldn't make them happy. marvel fans got heaps of loud cgi explosion-fests where iron man says funny things. meanwhile, luke skywalker drinks milk from a titty and princess leia fails to rally anyone and spends her last film as a cgi zombie. disney either made heaps of errors along the way or they wanted to demolish lucas' star wars so they could have their own take on it.
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As far as appeasing hardcore fans, the MCU is basically a fresh continuity with familiar characters, and comic book nerds are already used to reboots, so I imagine that helped a lot. Star Wars is shackled by movies from 40 years ago. They even describe each of the movies as being centered around each of the original main cast members in turn. Having a "han" movie, a "luke" movie, and a "leia" movie was a fundamentally flawed plan. Like the big things we're meant to be excited about are all relics from the past. And even the interstitial movies were OT throw-backs. It felt like they had no faith in their new characters. I would have personally been much more excited about Poe Dameron and Finn movies than Solo and Rogue One.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Currently, the closest thing we have to an “ST” is Solo, 7, and 9 - a ‘Millenium Falcon’ trilogy, focussed on the ownership of the Falcon (and, to a lesser extent, the Solo family). its true.. all of it
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Gargamel Gibson posted:It's a bit much. Maybe lose the hoodie, the fingerless gloves, a couple of the belts and definitely the man bun. So just... a guy in a shirt, then? And a man bun is perfectly Star Wars in a samurai wannabe way.
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feedmyleg posted:So just... a guy in a shirt, then? And a man bun is perfectly Star Wars in a samurai wannabe way. 
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wide kylo is the only good thing to come out of the st change my mind
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:I’m honestly surprised that fans aren’t absolutely furious about this. Undead Palpatine gets all the attention, because everyone loves the prequels, but the actual massive twist in ROS is that literally every conflict in Star Wars was the work of the Exogolians from planet Exogol. A while back in this (or one of the other myriad Star Wars threads) someone mentioned the Lensman series irt OT Star Wars. Exogol is extremely Lensman.
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dex_sda posted:wide kylo is the only good thing to come out of the st change my mind Luke drinking straight from the tit
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John Wick of Dogs posted:Luke drinking straight from the tit A man of culture.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:But it’s in the film. You can’t avoid it. Sorry. Sure you can, when directors can’t be bothered to respect other directors and toss out and modify plot points on a whim like it’s a drunken game of mad libs it seems perfectly appropriate to do the same. Don’t like something in the new Star War? Just handwave it or rewrite it, chances are someone’s going to do the same loving thing 2 years later!
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Just saw ROW (edit: I mean ROS) this morning. I went in 100% blind, no trailers or reviews beforehand and I'm super surprised about the negative reactions. I think this one may become my favourite star wars movie of all time. I've been watching Star Wars since the 80's. It was fun and exciting, also visually stunning. John F Bennett fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Jan 5, 2020 |
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TheKingofSprings posted:Sure you can, when directors can’t be bothered to respect other directors and toss out and modify plot points on a whim like it’s a drunken game of mad libs it seems perfectly appropriate to do the same. The OT had this too but Lucas was doing it to himself
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Starks posted:The OT had this too but Lucas was doing it to himself It was also not intended to be a trilogy and was the result of being unexpectedly successful beyond his wildest dreams The new ones don’t have that excuse
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TheKingofSprings posted:It was also not intended to be a trilogy and was the result of being unexpectedly successful beyond his wildest dreams The Original Trilogy not being planned isn't a thing that needs to be excused. The original films wouldn't be as fondly remembered without the loose nature. Similarly, while it might be a bummer that ST isn't great, at least The Last Jedi is interesting. If it was planned from the beginning, we would just got three boring straight remakes of the OT.
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Kylo's nipples are the only human nipples we see in a Star Wars movie btw.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Second Question: Exogol???? Exogol is the Star Wars hell. It's specifically depicted a a place that cannot be found on any map, only discoverable by unholy artifacts. The trip there involves flying through some kind of magnetic dimensional warp. The "good guys" (Luke, Leia, Yoda, Han Solo) are permitted to stay in the world of the living, while the bad guys, like Palpatine, are condemned to Exogol. Palpatine dies and becomes King of Hades, his line "I am all the Sith" a callback to "I am the Senate". The confusion over whether the Exogolians are ghosts or aliens is deliberate; in Exogol, the dead take on physical matter. However, as in most depictions of the Underworld, the Exogolians aren't constrained by physical laws, allowing them to craft hundreds of giant spaceships. The Emperor and Exogol as a whole are mainly concerned with the taking of life, in this movie literalized as some kind of magical Force Drain maneuver. On another level, the Emperor wants to take Rey's life for his own. The ultimate plan of Exogol is to merge the worlds of the living and the dead by killing everything. Now, one might say that the sort-of Daoist mysticism of the previous Star Wars films doesn't allow for this Manichaeic dualism, and I would agree. I probably wouldn't have ended the Star War with a fight against demons from Hell. I don't even think it fits with the other movies in the Falcon trilogy.
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teagone posted:Kylo's nipples are the only human nipples we see in a Star Wars movie btw. Anakin Skywalker and Edit: nope just anakin, my bad. CelticPredator fucked around with this message at 19:39 on Jan 5, 2020 |
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Oh yeah that's right. Ben following after his grandfather. Poetry.
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teagone posted:Kylo's nipples are the only human nipples we see in a Star Wars movie btw. I was gonna ask about Luke in the bacta tank but yeah, no nips.
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teagone posted:Kylo's nipples are the only human nipples we see in a Star Wars movie btw. Natalie Portman's white outfit in Attack of the Clones says hi
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New rumors on what Disney has planned for the future of the franchise. I believe it, because it sounds exactly like the same kind of thinking that gave us every other terrible thing about post-acquisition Lucasfilm. Just churning out carefully-calculated, four-quadrant product.
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John F Bennett posted:I think this one may become my favourite star wars movie of all time. listen I know Disney can pay the big bucks but my god man, have some self-respect
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John Wick of Dogs posted:Natalie Portman's white outfit in Attack of the Clones says hi Covered nips don't count.
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The only part of this that makes me actually interested is mentioning Rian Johnson still slated to write a trilogy.
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In what way is he "still slated" though. He's said nothing, has Disney said anything? Is it just that nobody has confirmed or denied either way? I ask because the press tour made a point of trashing episode 8 as politely as possible, which presumably they wouldn't do if they were planning to pay The Episode 8 Guy to make three movies for them
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John Wick of Dogs posted:Natalie Portman's white outfit in Attack of the Clones says hi Natalie portman did tons for many young boys sexual development born during the early nineties George Lucas went heavy on the bare midriffs in that movie especially
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2house2fly posted:In what way is he "still slated" though. He's said nothing, has Disney said anything? Is it just that nobody has confirmed or denied either way? I ask because the press tour made a point of trashing episode 8 as politely as possible, which presumably they wouldn't do if they were planning to pay The Episode 8 Guy to make three movies for them Just that the linked article mentions it and doesn't say it's canceled. But rumors that came out a week or two ago said that the RJ trilogy has been dead for a very long time. There are also rumors that Kennedy is leaving soon and that Kevin Feige's film is the next one.
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Honestly I'm surprised her arena combat suit is not at iconic as Leia's metal bikini.
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2house2fly posted:In what way is he "still slated" though. He's said nothing, has Disney said anything? Is it just that nobody has confirmed or denied either way? I ask because the press tour made a point of trashing episode 8 as politely as possible, which presumably they wouldn't do if they were planning to pay The Episode 8 Guy to make three movies for them As feedmyleg said, it only mentioned that he's still attached. Whether that turns out to be the case in a month is another topic but for now if he's still going to be making more Star Wars (because for all of the fan complaints TLJ still made money and was a successful film) I will still be interested in Star Wars.
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teagone posted:Kylo's nipples are the only human nipples we see in a Star Wars movie btw. 
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I stand corrected. Skywalker boys can't resist showing them nips.
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pospysyl posted:Exogol is the Star Wars hell. It's specifically depicted a a place that cannot be found on any map, only discoverable by unholy artifacts. The trip there involves flying through some kind of magnetic dimensional warp. The "good guys" (Luke, Leia, Yoda, Han Solo) are permitted to stay in the world of the living, while the bad guys, like Palpatine, are condemned to Exogol. Palpatine dies and becomes King of Hades, his line "I am all the Sith" a callback to "I am the Senate". The confusion over whether the Exogolians are ghosts or aliens is deliberate; in Exogol, the dead take on physical matter. However, as in most depictions of the Underworld, the Exogolians aren't constrained by physical laws, allowing them to craft hundreds of giant spaceships. The Emperor and Exogol as a whole are mainly concerned with the taking of life, in this movie literalized as some kind of magical Force Drain maneuver. On another level, the Emperor wants to take Rey's life for his own. The ultimate plan of Exogol is to merge the worlds of the living and the dead by killing everything. So Emperor Palpatine pulled off an Empire Mateus Palamecia-style move. Which means next trilogy will be about defeating Light Half Sheev.
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teagone posted:I stand corrected. Skywalker boys can't resist showing them nips. This is rather prescient, because I just found this... 
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The Star Wars Nipples thread: New nipples until you’re dust.
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Rewatching the Plinkett reviews bc I'm at a loose end and it always made me laugh that his script doctor suggestion for fixing episode 3 was "make it so the republic is invaded from outside by evil clone monsters"
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pospysyl posted:The "good guys" (Luke, Leia, Yoda, Han Solo) are permitted to stay in the world of the living, while the bad guys, like Palpatine, are condemned to Exogol. That’s a very astute observation. If the Exogolians were able to drag Palpatine’s rear end out of the Death Star (2) wreckage and jump-start it, then obviously they did the same for Darth Maul and so-on. The population of Exogol is literally every Sith who has ever lived, going back millennia - undead but still truckin’. Evidently, when you ‘die’ as a Sith, you get assigned to starship construction. Of course, this means that there were literally a million Darth Mauls being kept in reserve, since long before Phantom Menace, for no clear reason.
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