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phasmid posted:I've never owned a cat in the suburbs and I've never lived in rural areas at all. This stuff is googleable.
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phasmid posted:Also kinda resent the idea that letting cats in and out is lazy somehow. I've known a lot of people with indoor cats who work full time and have active social lives and p much just go "bye cat, see you in twelve hours!" every weekday. Obviously there are bad pet owners who keep cats indoors and bad pet owners who let their cats outdoors. If you live in an area where it’s unsafe for cats to be outdoors though it’s hard to argue that people who are letting their cats outside are great pet owners. There are also classes of pet depending on where you live and what role the animal fills. I keep cats as companion animals, I have two cats one is 13 years and the other 6 months. They’re pampered and get a lot of affection and enrichment, they’re part of our day to day lives and I would never let them outside into the snow to fend off coyotes and hope they avoid cars, when they die I will mourn them. Our local farm has about a dozen feral barn cats, they have names and are well fed but they’re work animals and when one of them disappears or a coyote runs off with them no one mourns, they get replacement cats. Obviously there’s a spectrum of pet ownership.
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phasmid posted:Also kinda resent the idea that letting cats in and out is lazy somehow. I've known a lot of people with indoor cats who work full time and have active social lives and p much just go "bye cat, see you in twelve hours!" every weekday. It is lazy. Also if you’re never home and don’t have the time to care for a pet then why are you getting one? I didn’t own a dog for a long time because I knew I worked and no one would be home and waited till it fit with my family’s lifestyle
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Do it ironically posted:It is lazy. Also if you’re never home and don’t have the time to care for a pet then why are you getting one? I didn’t own a dog for a long time because I knew I worked and no one would be home and waited till it fit with my family’s lifestyle i reckon over 50% cat ownership is hey a cat showed up at my door now i own a cat, i'm 4 of 4 this way
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Jan 4, 2020 23:04
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Do it ironically posted:It is lazy. How?
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Jan 4, 2020 23:05
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phasmid posted:Also kinda resent the idea that letting cats in and out is lazy somehow. I've known a lot of people with indoor cats who work full time and have active social lives and p much just go "bye cat, see you in twelve hours!" every weekday.
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Jan 4, 2020 23:18
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Didn't realize being infected with  made you forget what statistics are
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Jan 4, 2020 23:24
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Fleetwood Crack posted:All cats, big and small, are actually solitary animals. this is actually not true tbh. cats are social animals, they just have different cues from say dogs.
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Jan 4, 2020 23:24
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Everyone acts like It's cool if cats kill birds but everytime my golden eagle brings home a dead cat people get all bent out of shape wtf
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Jan 4, 2020 23:27
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esperterra posted:cats are social animals, they just have different cues from say dogs.
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Jenny Agutter posted:Everyone acts like It's cool if cats kill birds but everytime my golden eagle brings home a dead cat people get all bent out of shape wtf Well one was likely someone's loved pet and one was a wild animal, glad I could help you understand.
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Jan 4, 2020 23:28
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Fleetwood Crack posted:This is really only true in feral conditions and it's about survival of the litter. Individual housecats di not require anywhere near the same kind of socialization as say a dog. tbh it's prob arguable that domesticated cats are more social creatures than wildcats, who can live either alone or in colonies. but there's a reason people recommend adopting cats in pairs, and it's not just to keep eachother occupied.
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esperterra posted:tbh it's prob arguable that domesticated cats are more social creatures than wildcats, who can live either alone or in colonies. but there's a reason people recommend adopting cats in pairs, and it's not just to keep eachother occupied.
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SilvergunSuperman posted:Well one was likely someone's loved pet and one was a wild animal, glad I could help you understand. How do you tell the pets from the feral cats? Maybe I can train her to tell the difference
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When I moved my parents to an acreage I warned them... You need a barn cat but you need to treat him as a worker. If you get all lovey dovey with him you're going to be pretty sad when he gets snatched. And of course my idiot city parents said "Oh we'll treat him like a pet and then call him in at night" I think that worked for around 6 months. jonathan fucked around with this message at 23:42 on Jan 4, 2020 |
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Fleetwood Crack posted:Yeah I will admit I wouldn't adopt a single cat out of feelings of guilt about living one home alone, but I was talking more about human socialization not feline to feline socialization. I should've clarified that earlier. that's fair! and that obvs depends more on the cat. and the person. i think a lot of domesticated cats who seem antisocial may have just ended up that way b/c of however their human raised them then again i am a crazy cat person who probably has a brain parasite
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jonathan posted:When I moved my parents to an acreage I warned them... You need a barn cat but you need to treat him as a worker. If you get all lovey dovey with him you're going to be pretty sad when he gets snatched. main thing is to be on a property with plenty of trees or an open style barn where it can out run/climb anything. i've had twice my outdoor cat jump on a stray dog that came across the property when my kids were outside which I never really knew they would do. That video of the cat saving the boy from the dog mauling is amazing.
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Jan 4, 2020 23:48
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Oh yeah thats another thing. Outside cats contract parasites like crazy.
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Mnoba posted:main thing is to be on a property with plenty of trees or an open style barn where it can out run/climb anything. i've had twice my outdoor cat jump on a stray dog that came across the property when my kids were outside which I never really knew they would do. Yeah this was trees all over but there are bears moose cougars lynx coyotes wolves fox eagles owls hawks etc and they're all on the property at any given time.
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jonathan posted:Yeah this was trees all over but there are bears moose cougars lynx coyotes wolves fox eagles owls hawks etc and they're all on the property at any given time.
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Fleetwood Crack posted:Yikes. no big spiders though
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Yeah indoor cats live longer lives but isnt it still messed up? You wouldn’t keep a dog or a child or probably even like a ferret inside for their ENTIRE lives. I honestly even feel bad for keeping my pet rats inside all their lives but at least it’s easy to give them a large space relative to their size with lots of climbing space. If a cat can’t go outside then it should have some huge crazy cat room full of stuff to hide in and climb on, otherwise wtf is it supposed to do all day
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You are beginning to understand that all animal ownership is slavery and a gilded cage is still a cage 
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Only hairless great apes are people, and "slave" is a title bestowed upon people. Not any other entity.
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Fleetwood Crack posted:Yeah I will admit I wouldn't adopt a single cat out of feelings of guilt about living one home alone, Cats naturally sleep 18 or more hours a day, you don't have to feel guilty about leaving a solitary cat alone when go to work. It'll just sleep. They don't need that much attention. Of course it's nice to have more than one if your living space is big enough, because they can entertain each other and do stuff like kitty wrestling that they can't do with people. (Or at least it isn't the best way for people to play with a cat.) Multiple cats in a small space and you can end up with a situation where one spends its life in a single room and never comes out. I'd rather have a single cat and spend some extra time waving a feather toy around. Cats like boredom, they get stressed out by change and excitement.
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I got what’s called a “Florida room”. Like a screened in porch, but still a room with four walls with windows all around. So my cats can feel the breeze and the sun, chase and kill lizards that might get in and all that without any danger. I had an indoor/outdoor cat that lived to nearly 20, but I also had 2 others disappear. Gilded cage it is for my cats. One is fraidy cat and the other is Siamese, so he’d either get stolen or get himself killed for being a psycho and doing something dumb, which is just normal behavior for a Siamese.
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I have a fenced enclosed garden and I let my cats out and they don't really wanna leave it, they just go out there and chill and eat bugs and take a poo poo in the bushes sometimes. I think female cats are better because they don't roam as much.
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SilvergunSuperman posted:I miss my childhood cat Woden, he was cool as hell and would bring my mom dead birds and rodents while she was gardening as a "here dummy, maybe someday you'll be on my level" flex. As bad as cats gently caress up bird populations this is still hilarious to me that cats do this because we are obviously very lovely at getting our own birbs to eat as far as they can tell.
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Laslow posted:I got what’s called a “Florida room”. Like a screened in porch, but still a room with four walls with windows all around. So my cats can feel the breeze and the sun, chase and kill lizards that might get in and all that without any danger. Can confirm siamese are insane. My boy is half siamese and he's got quirks out the wazoo even for a cat. Also he never shuts the gently caress up ever.
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Prism Mirror Lens posted:Yeah indoor cats live longer lives but isnt it still messed up? You wouldn’t keep a dog or a child or probably even like a ferret inside for their ENTIRE lives. I honestly even feel bad for keeping my pet rats inside all their lives but at least it’s easy to give them a large space relative to their size with lots of climbing space. If a cat can’t go outside then it should have some huge crazy cat room full of stuff to hide in and climb on  I highly recommend this: CatastrophiCreations Cat Mod Garden Complex Handcrafted Wall Mounted Cat Tree Shelves with Planter for Cat Grass, Onyx/Natural, One Size https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0711DDDW6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_xFweEb1X8KSBT
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Dont Touch ME posted:Only hairless great apes are people, and "slave" is a title bestowed upon people. Not any other entity. TIL a chimpanzee is an animal but a shaved chimpanzee in heels and a dress is a slave.
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Outrail posted:TIL a chimpanzee is an animal but a shaved chimpanzee in heels and a dress is a slave. Not a hairless great ape. The difference is epistemological, in much the same way a plucked chicken is not a man. That being said, there is a greater capacity for a bonobo or chimpanzee to be a slave than a cat or really any other creature. Still doesn't quite hit the threshold, however.
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Lyall's wren was wiped out in less than two years by cats (and the humans who brought them) RIP little guy
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Dont Touch ME posted:Oh yeah thats another thing. Outside cats contract parasites like crazy. Yeah this, cat aids isn’t a fun time.
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cats are deffo more social than we thought just think about all of the bizarre vocalizations they can make. they don't have a weirdly sophisticated array of chirps and burbles and hisses and whatever for nothing
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Best Bi Geek Squid posted:cats are deffo more social than we thought half of the meows cats make at us are for our benefit, they realise we don't understand their subtle cues and just scream at us
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I have a cat that was a stray and she had all the kinds of worms basically except heartworms. Also a cat herpes but only once? Not sure. Gross. What a lovely life if she has just stayed out and died from worms.
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Caesar Saladin posted:half of the meows cats make at us are for our benefit, they realise we don't understand their subtle cues and just scream at us my cat thinks that i'm dumb as poo poo he's right, of course
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I've got friends with 2 cats that go outside using the backdoor cat flap and then sit and wait at the front door until someone arrives so they can be let in that way
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I live right next to a city and I've got lovely neighbors who throw their cats outside. They say it's healthier, they want to be outside, etc., and completely ignore that their cats spend most of their time trying to get back inside. The rest of the time is running from rain/snow, playing in the streets between cars, attacking wildlife, and getting into screaming fights (coming to blows) with other neighborhood and feral cats. If you live on a farm where a cat can be a ratter, great. Outdoor cats with jobs are different. But letting pets loose in and around cities should be illegal (if it's not already). You don't let your dogs wander the streets at night, why would you let your cats? Every person around where I live with outdoor cats is the same - no cat furniture, often too many animals in a small space, and owners with no empathy. Of course your cat is fleeing out the front door when they have no vertical space and are constantly running from your other three unhappy cats and dogs in your one bedroom apartment, it doesn't mean they're escaping to some beautiful wonderland or a scheduled playdate. If your cat is social, have two or more social cats and in a space that works for them. If your lizard/rat/dog/etc. is social you don't throw them outside, you make a better environment for them. If your cat needs exercise, get exercise equipment, actually play with them, and/or harness+leash train them. If your dog need exercise you don't throw them outside, you walk/run them on a leash (or get them to a dog-specific area to exercise). If you honestly think your cat wants to be outside then set up a secure outdoor space. Don't assume the world will take care of your pet. That's being the parent who drops off their young children at malls all day because of course the Gamestop employees will look after them. Pets aren't that complicated, they just require that you give a poo poo and learn what they need. They're not decorations. I'm sick of seeing dead wildlife, cats abandoned because they stayed outside too long so they were replaced, and cats hurt or worse from owner neglect. If you don't have the space for cats then don't get cats. 
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