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UnfortunateSexFart posted:In my province (BC) the government forced casinos to have clocks everywhere so of course they make them as camouflage as possible. Like literally continue the wallpaper pattern/colour through the clock face and hands. Hmm that's better than the American casino I was at, where they trusted the Casino to self-police and we all got trained to call a phone number for the counsellor if: A. They admitted to us they had a gambling problem AND B. Told us they needed help Both A and B had to be true simultaneously if they knew they had a problem but didn't say the magic words "I need help" we couldn't do anything
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Pershing posted:What is the accepted percentage for tipping a dealer? In poker you gotta tip every hand you win or they get salty quick. I usually just throw a buck, maybe five if it's a huge rear end pot. Poker dealers will definitely gently caress with you if you don't tip. Blackjack obviously you can't tip every hand you win, and dealers can't negatively impact you as much. A friendly dealer will catch your mistakes for you though. I've misread cards and they will pause and say "are you sure"? As long as you put a few bucks out every now and then you're fine. At a lot of places your player rating tends to scale with tipping (I'd like to hear how much leeway there is with this these days), so if you like comps be more generous.
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Midjack posted:Same. Do you have any other really memorable stories of catching cheaters? Not much really to speak of on my end I can go into details some stories I've heard from other employees, I never experienced people switching dice which is very very rare to even see nowadays with all of the safety precautions they put to prevent that the most I've seen is catching card counters which I've caught at least a dozen of them because it's really obvious when somebody that's $10 a hand and then suddenly they bet $1,000 out of nowhere we then call surveillance to count the cards for us and they come back and say yeah that guy is adding money as the count is positive so in those cases we usually just tell them they are blacklisted from the tables they can still gamble in the casino just not at the tables or in some cases they just toss them out, depends on the house. As far as back rooming goes I don't think you will really see that anymore in casinos even in Vegas as most of them aren't run by the mob anymore and the punishments given to cheaters especially in Vegas can be pretty severe so usually that is a good enough deterrent casinos make so much money that the average cheater here and there aren't really worth their trouble they just let division of gaming handle it and I can guarantee you they don't back room in any casinos in Colorado every casino is corporate-owned and heavily regulated Pershing posted:What is the accepted percentage for tipping a dealer? This varies from game to game and I tend to tip more than the typical person because I work in the industry and understand its importance but in general if I'm winning at Blackjack I'll ask them to break a $5 chip down and I'll start placing dollar bets for the dealer which can definitely add up over time considering they put so many hands out at a time I've gotten many dealers over $60 for 30 minutes so that's usually what I do and if I hit a blackjack I usually play the extra I make for them as well when it comes to Poker if I win a hand I usually toss them a dollar and if it's a large pot usually up to $5 or more and that seems to be sufficient poker dealers make really good money so as long as you are tipping when you win there's really not much to worry about there. As for roulette if you hit your number and you win a lot I usually throw a dollar or two to the roulette dealer or if it's a big win more than that and when it comes to craps I'll either play money on the line for the dealers or play the hard ways for them since that wins them more money since they have to split it four ways usually it's not a lot of what you end up betting I would say On Any Given night about 5% of my money goes to the Dealer's which seems appropriate and it does give them a fair amount of money. But no matter what I do tip because in America these people are dependent on it and people who do not tip when they know they should are just assholes, especially if they are winning
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I usually tip the small blind in whatever stakes Im playing if I win a hand. I usually play 2-5 plo game or 5-10 game so my tip when I win would $2 for the plo game and $5 for the 5-10 game. If I win a big hand I usually tip double. I do have some rules that I stand by though. If it is a lovely dealer and they do not share tips I will not tip a lovely dealer. By that I mean if they are really slow and hold up the game and dont pay attention I do not reward them for lovely work. I do not mean that I lose a hand and wont tip or some poo poo because of grudge. Its strictly based on performance. If they share tips then I tip them all the same because I dont want to hurt the good dealers. If I have had a really good session or I am up a lot with a specific dealer I will always tip when they leave as well to show my appreciation.
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Baddog posted:In poker you gotta tip every hand you win or they get salty quick. I usually just throw a buck, maybe five if it's a huge rear end pot. Poker dealers will definitely gently caress with you if you don't tip. If you understand the game and what beats what I'm not sure how that's possible, in what way do you mean?
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SilvergunSuperman posted:If you understand the game and what beats what I'm not sure how that's possible, in what way do you mean? Turbo chicken covered this a bit, but there are a lot of rules that can be a bit subjective as far as how you bet. They are there to prevent angle shooting, but dealers can use them to punish people too. For example I was playing tournaments all day, then went over to the MGM to play some cash. Completely forgot about tipping (because you don't tip in tournies unless you win the whole thing). I was crushing, taking down a ton of big pots, and wondering why the dealer was looking pissed. The MGM at that time had a lip on their tables, so you couldnt just push your chips forward. I got a big pot pre, hit the nuts on the flop, the guy bet into me, I grabbed my two stacks of chips and dropped them in (plink plink). The dealer called me for string betting, and said only the first (much smaller) stack counted. I was ripshit and called the floor, but they said he could have ruled that only the first chip to hit the felt should have counted (whatever, that would be ridiculous). It was obvious I had a super strong hand at that point. The other guy ended up calling my small raise to see if he could hit the turn, then snap folded on me. So the dealer hosed me out of quite a bit of equity. The string bet rule is there to prevent someone from pausing to see the other players reaction, and then pulling back the hand with the other chips if they don't like what they see. Since then I always just verbally announce.
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The first time I went to Vegas, I was sitting at a blackjack table at the Tropicana around 5AM. I was trashed and tried to do something really dumb like split 10s. The dealer looked at me and said "Sir, can you even keep your eyes open?" and that's when I decided to cash out and go to bed. Another time I was on a gambling cruise with a couple friends. Towards the end of the trip, we were walking by the roulette table and my buddy put some money on red. Being drunk and wanting to bet against him I put money on black, completely oblivious that the other people at the table had a few thousand on red. They were less than happy with me. The dealer looked me and said "Good luck running away from them if you win". Luckily I lost.
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Baddog posted:Turbo chicken covered this a bit, but there are a lot of rules that can be a bit subjective as far as how you bet. They are there to prevent angle shooting, but dealers can use them to punish people too. I feel like pit bosses would sort out pretty quickly if a pissy dealer is causing human sacks of cash to walk out the door and play somewhere else.
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SilvergunSuperman posted:I feel like pit bosses would sort out pretty quickly if a pissy dealer is causing human sacks of cash to walk out the door and play somewhere else. Poker is different. There are so many rules and grey areas to prevent shot takers/angles. It's up to the dealer's discretion and even if a floor is called they're going to back the dealer for following the rules. I posted about this earlier in the thread, it's pretty easy to gently caress with a player. Edit: As far as possible string bets that's why you always verbalize your action.n
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:Hmm that's better than the American casino I was at, where they trusted the Casino to self-police and we all got trained to call a phone number for the counsellor if: I don't know how it is elsewhere, but in Ontario you can "self exclude" and they're supposed to ban you from being in a casino - I don't know how rigorously it's enforced at moment but my buddy's mom was a dealer in Orillia like 20 years ago and got canned on the spot for letting a self excluded guy play. edit: also the stories in this thread are awesome and I appreciate everyone who's taking the time to type them out.
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olylifter posted:I don't know how it is elsewhere, but in Ontario you can "self exclude" and they're supposed to ban you from being in a casino - I don't know how rigorously it's enforced at moment but my buddy's mom was a dealer in Orillia like 20 years ago and got canned on the spot for letting a self excluded guy play. You could do that at our casino too. You set the time limit when you asked and you weren't allowed to get it lifted early. At training the dude would talk about how people would plead to get their 1 year self-exclusion lifted 1 month in but the Casino wouldn't let them. Of course those people would always be there in the slots on day 366.
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TurboFlamingChicken posted:Cheating at Roulette There's a research paper from the developer of one such computer on the internet somewhere. Apparently, in some places that's not even illegal (on the grounds that their laws specifically define "cheating" as actually interfering with the game mechanics, though obviously the casino could still kick you out) - there are companies openly selling those gadgets online, though who knows if they're legit (I suppose at least one of them must be if someone actually used one). Some people have even claimed to be able to observe the wheel and ball in motion and estimate the ball's path in a manner similar to the basic computers. There have also been various cases of people swapping the ball with one containing a remote-control magnet, which seems like it would be way harder to get away with unless one has help from the inside.
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None of these are all that interesting, but I found them at least mildly amusing. Back before casinos were legal in PA we had pretty limited options on where we could play poker. A few companies would run weekly charity events at churches or volunteer fire halls, which were at best semi-legal but almost never got harassed by the police since it was for charity (or maybe other reasons, what do I know). I once watched a very drunk dude take a bad beat and flip over a 5/5 table at 3am in a volunteer fire department game. Thousands of dollars in chips were airborne. No idea how they sorted that fiasco out, but they no longer had a BYOB policy after that. some of those companies werent all that honest. I remember 1 company that would run tournaments where you could add on chips to your stack at the end of the buy in period for $20 bucks, but then n at least one of them they were just pocketing that money and not putting any of it in the prize pool. Another place ran WSOP ME satellites, but never finished the series or awarded the money. they had been running SnG's for awhile, with the winner of each supposedly advancing the the next round, but they never had a next round. There were also just flat out illegal poker houses and games, some of which were fantastic but others pretty shady. I played one room for like 6 months when the guy running the place decided t would be a good idea to start selling various party favors right at the drat table. At another place I watched a scene from rounders play out live and in person at the table next to me when a very large biker got very angry at 2 people speaking Russian (or something similar) during hands he was playing. I seriously Thought he was going to try and murder them, but they apologized and he eventually calmed down. A couple of these places got robbed, since there was usually a ton of money at these games and they couldnt really call the police. so many of them had security, which I get the concept of, but it was often just one dealer who happened to have a gun and a conceal carry permit. Im all for defending your money, but I dont really want to be caught in a gun fight between dealer dan and his uncles service .45 and 3 guys with shotguns, I just want to donk off some chips in a 1/2 game and then rage at my steering wheel on the way home please. A lot of these places had minimum playing time rules to stop hit and runs, but in my experience this was mostly just talked about and never really enforced. I only saw this actually happen once, where a guy sat down at a 1/2 table with $200, ran it up to $600 or so in like 3 hands, then got a phone call about a family emergency and had to leave. They gave him his $200 back and split the rest amongst the table he was at. I dont even know if thats how the rule was supposed to be enforced, but its what they did.
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Really enjoying this thread, loving all of these stories. Gambling scares the hell out of me and sucks all of the enjoyment out of it, except for stupid stuff like slots, but even then it feels like throwing your money into a pond. I sort of wish I could enjoy it, but I'm sure it's better this way. If you like being completely stressed out at watching someone gamble you should watch Uncut Gems!
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:You could do that at our casino too. You set the time limit when you asked and you weren't allowed to get it lifted early. At training the dude would talk about how people would plead to get their 1 year self-exclusion lifted 1 month in but the Casino wouldn't let them. Of course those people would always be there in the slots on day 366. In British Columbia the self exclusion was always province-wide, but of course most of the population hugs the US border so the addicts would just go to the Washington state casinos after banning themselves.
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Shroomie posted:Another time I was on a gambling cruise with a couple friends. Towards the end of the trip, we were walking by the roulette table and my buddy put some money on red. Being drunk and wanting to bet against him I put money on black, completely oblivious that the other people at the table had a few thousand on red. They were less than happy with me. The dealer looked me and said "Good luck running away from them if you win". Luckily I lost. I dont understand why this is bad. Is it just Im betting my five dollars in the hope you all lose thousands and seen as a dick move, or is there more to it?
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Sanford posted:I dont understand why this is bad. Is it just Im betting my five dollars in the hope you all lose thousands and seen as a dick move, or is there more to it? There's that. But it's also seen as taking the side of the (Boo Hiss) Casino, against the (Yay!) scrappy punter. I've seen the same thing happen on Baccarat tables. Even moreso, because Baccarat players are superstitious morons, and most players will just mindlessly follow whoever is placing the biggest bet on the table. And by betting against them, a lot of them see it as a personal attack and/or stealing their luck.
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Sanford posted:I dont understand why this is bad. Is it just Im betting my five dollars in the hope you all lose thousands and seen as a dick move, or is there more to it?
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Oswald Kesselpot posted:If you want to see some real assholes, go play wrong at a blackjack table. The minute those players think you are stealing their cards, they will let you know and in no uncertain terms. Usually really loud and belligerently. How do you play blackjack wrong?
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There's an optimal strategy for when to Hit/Stand/Fold depending on your cards and the dealer's cards and if you don't follow it, there will be hell to pay.
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One time I was playing blackjack down in Sheffield and this angry guy was playing behind me and I kept splitting and getting more pairs so eventually I had, like, six little blackjack games going on and this guy'd backed me the entire way. I'm all "Okay bruv you're in here for, like, 400 so you want some input?" and he goes on a tirade about how I'm a retard and shouldn't be playing if I dunno what I'm doing so I deliberately bust on every single one, including taking hits on 20. He got so angry he sounded like Donald Duck and was escorted out by security.
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Fantastic Flyer posted:There's an optimal strategy for when to Hit/Stand/Fold depending on your cards and the dealer's cards and if you don't follow it, there will be hell to pay. It's fun when you are counting and deviate from basic strategy because of the count and they go nuts. Shut the gently caress up and stop drawing attention to me! Also the casino doesn't really give a poo poo if you stand up now and then and look at your phone for strategy, or print it out. Although it's not hard to memorize. Here is the calculator for all the different rules. https://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/strategy/calculator/
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A Strange Aeon posted:How do you play blackjack wrong? Go sit at a full $5 blackjack table and hit on 18 when the dealer is showing a 7* Enjoy the show and you are welcome. *i dont play blackjack but this seems like a bad play to me.
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Disgusting Coward posted:One time I was playing blackjack down in Sheffield and this angry guy was playing behind me and I kept splitting and getting more pairs so eventually I had, like, six little blackjack games going on and this guy'd backed me the entire way. I'm all "Okay bruv you're in here for, like, 400 so you want some input?" and he goes on a tirade about how I'm a retard and shouldn't be playing if I dunno what I'm doing so I deliberately bust on every single one, including taking hits on 20. He got so angry he sounded like Donald Duck and was escorted out by security. Excellent, reminiscent of some of the early counting tales when people would hit blackjacks at the end of a single deck just to enrich the following shuffle.
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Disgusting Coward posted:One time I was playing blackjack down in Sheffield ... He got so angry he sounded like Donald Duck and was escorted out by security. I've been to yorkshire. Thats just how they talk.
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A Strange Aeon posted:How do you play blackjack wrong?
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This thread is absolutely fascinating to me. Is there anywhere else I could go to read more stories like this? A gambling blog or something?
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Earlier this year at the WSOP main event (a tournament with a $10,000 entry fee) a guy named Ken pushed allI in without looking at his hand, then flipped his hand face up so every one could see (it was Q3o). While one of the other players at the table was contemplating calling, Ken stood up, took of his pants, and mooned the table (and flashed his junk to everyone else), then he threw his shoe at the dealer. After the hand (which Ken actually won after the other player called with a small pocket pair) they DQ'ed him and tossed him out of the casino. He then went to a different casino and decided t get up on a craps table and strip again. This time they arrested him. A couple of weeks later he was arrested again for terroristic threats and trying to lure a kid into his hotel room, which he was found incompetent to stand trial for. I think they committed him, so he could still be in a hospital somewhere. I didnt see any this live but Ken used to play in our local casino, so pretty much every poker table I sat at for a few weeks had to talk about him at least once. I didnt know his name until this happened but I knew him to see him just from hanging out in the same poker rooms. as far as I remember he was perfectly normal; I have no idea what happened, or why he apparently just lost his mind all of a sudden. there is video of him getting naked at the main event which I found to be amusing when I thought he did it for a prop bet or something, but now its kind of sad as the dude is apparently just bonkers. LonesomeCrowdedWest posted:This thread is absolutely fascinating to me. Is there anywhere else I could go to read more stories like this? A gambling blog or something? E: Also, google famous prop bets and see what some of the degens that are pro gamblers bet on, and how much money they wager. Oswald Kesselpot fucked around with this message at 08:51 on Jan 5, 2020 |
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The most famous casino story involves one of Australia's richest men and a huge degenerate, Kerry Packer. He owned Crown Casinos, which a bunch of posters evidently work at, as well as tv stations and newspapers. The story goes that he was gambling in the same room as a loudmouth who wouldn't shut up about how rich he was. Finally Kerry has had enough. Kerry asked "how much you worth?". The other guy stuttered a bit but finally came up with 600 million. Kerry pulled a coin out and said "flip you for it"
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Look up Archie Karas, at one time he won all of the Binions 5k chips that they had. He went on this insane run where he turned 50 bucks into like 40 million. He might have had a loan of 10k during that run too but I cant remember specifics. Dude use to sit at a poker table with like 5 million and wait for people to challenge him.
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Blackjack is fun but what is more fun is playing with a bunch of chain-smoking middle aged burnouts (best if they're in a group of 2-3 degenerates) and every time the dealer asks you to hit or stay, just look over at the next few people's cards and timidly say whatever will gently caress them over the most. Dealer has a 6, you have two tens and they're holding two fives? "Uh... I guess let's split."
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Ex croupier here, UK, 20 years ago for about 2 yrs so I've hopefully forgotten most of it now. Dealt dice for about a year, we also had a one armed vet (nicknamed bellfruit after the slot manufacturer), a white men can't jump guy who mainly played slots but occasionally craps, and a whole host of degens and triads. Saw a guy buy in for a couple of hundred pounds at blackjack, turn it into 25000 over an afternoon, then do it all back in again, leaving about 500 down. Craps is nowhere near as popular here as it is in the states. We were one of only two tables nearby, and probably of only 4 or 5 outside London. We had a £1 minimum (1.50 on the 6 or 8) and very few players compared to roulette and blackjack. I'm phone posting so typing is a pain, but AMA about British casinos around the millennium. I have contacts so might be able to glean some better stories. It really was the most depressing environment I've ever worked in, and if it wasn't for learning craps I'd have quit long before I eventually did.
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What is the average age of a UK casino patron? I have no data to back this up offhand but I would imagine its mostly olds like in the US. Do UK casinos (and by casinos I assume you mean an actual gambling palace and not, like, the William Hill sandwiched between a Greggs and a McDonalds) have other entertainment options like most US casinos? For example, most places have at least a steakhouse or two (overpriced, but a fun trashy meal to cap off your fun trashy day), concerts, and other stuff.. What are the food options like at your places? And of course, any stories about weird regulars and co workers are extremely my poo poo
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Apologies if it's been mentioned cos I passed over some pages in the middle, but random casino goon fact is that a currently active goon actually came second in the WSOP Main Event as an amateur player. I remember watching it streamed at the time in the long-defunct poker thread. It was pretty tragic because he got absolutely dunked on in the end by this smug little bastard because he just got no hands whatsoever.
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Toxteth OGrady posted:Ex croupier here, UK, 20 years ago for about 2 yrs so I've hopefully forgotten most of it now.
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Earth Table posted:What is the average age of a UK casino patron? I have no data to back this up offhand but I would imagine it’s mostly olds like in the US. Yea mainly olds and a few people of various ages trying to inconspicuously launder money. There was a restaurant at our place but I never even went into the room. The gaming laws were very strict back then, no advertising, no drinking in the gaming areas, NO TIPS, no entertainments that might entice people into your den of vice like live music or sports. So yea, there was a restaurant but it may as well have been a separate business nearby. Those laws have been relaxed quite a lot lately, so I believe dealers can now take tips, but couldn't in my day. OH god, here's a story. We had roulette cards on the tables for the punters to record numbers on (no laws against encouraging gamblers fallacies). One wheelchair bound punter known as whispering Bob (syphilis had hosed up his vocal chords) would fold said cards down the middle, and use them as a gutter via which he'd piss into the urinal, rather than using the disabled toilet like a non degenerate. He'd then return the cards to the roulette table. Everyone knew to avoid any roulette cards folded lengthways.
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toiletbrush posted:Whereabouts? I've never gambled at a casino but me and my friends would quite often end up in our costal town's main one after all the night-clubs shut around 4am during winter. A couple of my mates were totally addicted to gambling, mainly fruit machines, but and as long as they were gambling at the tables they'd keep bringing us free stuff. Watching their emotional rollercoasters, talking with random people and eating/drinking free stuff in the warm was quite a nice way to stay out of the cold until the busses home started running at 6am again. I don't want to dox myself too much, but it wasn't coastal, NW England
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Toxteth OGrady posted:
https://youtu.be/vUz9xCTOPRw
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LonesomeCrowdedWest posted:This thread is absolutely fascinating to me. Is there anywhere else I could go to read more stories like this? A gambling blog or something? jase1 has done at least one Ask/Tell thread about playing pool before, so look that up for more of his stories. They're good. The best collection of casino stories I ever saw was from a guy on a big poker forum called youtalkfunny, who worked in the gaming industry for a long time. Here's a topic with a lot of his stories. Lots of sports-betting stuff.
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Anybody got some baccarat stories or knowledge? Couple poker pros have recently been caught edge sorting and losing millions because the casinos caught em I believe. Ive never played the game myself but I have been told by a ton of people that its like the most swingy game out there. Just imagine running up like 20 million and then losing a lawsuit to the casino lol. I dont really know how edge sorting works besides spotting misprints on the cards, honestly doesnt seem like it should be disallowed since the house is using the decks but thats just me
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