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yeah it's equally likely to me that they knew but not knowing wouldn't come at a surprise at all. they either encourage war crimes or they're too dumb to stop war crimes wow thank god we give them hundreds of billions of dollars every year
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Darth Walrus posted:Syrian and Iraqi Kurdistan are very, very different places. Barzani actually gets on reasonably well with Turkey. The Iraqi Kurds only get along with Turkey to the extent that they accept that independence isn't an option and allow Turkey to freely kill PKK in their territory. After the independence referendum, Turkey was part of the stranglehold that got the Kurds to back down and got the Barzani who was President of the region to step down. All the Turkish forces just hanging out in northern Iraq would have a hell of a lot to say about the US suddenly declaring northern Iraq independent.
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Think the Pentagon was trying to get into a shooting war with Iran or they incompetent and kill Soleimani out of rashness?
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Taintrunner posted:https://twitter.com/niacouncil/status/1213885371802701825?s=21 yeah i think anyone could have guessed that rounding up iranians in the united states would be part of this (even though many of them are probably strongly anti iran)
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the American public has not much appetite for (obvious) war over oil so sparking a shitstorm achieves the American goal of forever war
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Mister Bates posted:from my experience interacting with career military officers I think some of them probably thought the world would be shocked and impressed by their boldness and willingness to take decisive action and it would force the Iranians to come grovel at the USA's feet offering concessions is this some dumb d-list movie plot?
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Agrajag posted:is this some dumb d-list movie plot? it's basically every Tom Clancy novel
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Rated PG-34 posted:the American public has not much appetite for (obvious) war over oil so sparking a shitstorm achieves the American goal of forever war Yeah even among the right wingers I see on facebook its 50 50 if they're against it
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Is al'shabab even affiliated with Iran? Those troops were there to fight them because the Nigerians weren't able to, I thought. Plus I thought that al'shabab liked ISIS?
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TeenageArchipelago posted:Is al'shabab even affiliated with Iran? Those troops were there to fight them because the Nigerians weren't able to, I thought. Plus I thought that al'shabab liked ISIS? They have nothing at all to do with Iran. Some defected to ISIS, but they're mostly aligned with Al Qaeda.
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Al! posted:yeah i think anyone could have guessed that rounding up iranians in the united states would be part of this (even though many of them are probably strongly anti iran) Using praise from the Iranian immigrant community to push this war and rounding them up is loving galaxy brained
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Mister Bates posted:from my experience interacting with career military officers I think some of them probably thought the world would be shocked and impressed by their boldness and willingness to take decisive action and it would force the Iranians to come grovel at the USA's feet offering concessions This is more accurate than people are willing to realize. My brigade commander made sure to mention “speed and aggression” and “sudden, overwhelming violence of action” in pretty much every briefing and that mentality pretty much goes up the chain of command. Someone commenting on junior officers in Vietnam said that new Lt’s saw a frontal assault as a rite of passage, even if it was not called for and would form up for an attack even from harassing, ineffective fire. Those junior officers were generals in the 2000’s and developed the training, doctrine and attitude all the way down the chain of command.
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Gumball Gumption posted:Using praise from the Iranian immigrant community to push this war and rounding them up is loving galaxy brained Remember how the US denied asylum for the people behind the Venezuelan coup
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Still don't get Americans extreme hatred for Iran. Does it all go back to the hostage crisis after the revolution? Not being born yet I don't know how that impacted people.
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Frosted Flake posted:This is more accurate than people are willing to realize. My brigade commander made sure to mention “speed and aggression” and “sudden, overwhelming violence of action” in pretty much every briefing and that mentality pretty much goes up the chain of command. haaaahahahahaha oh man, american military history of the last fifty years makes so much sense if the morons are going back to elan vital thinking. it's worked as well for us as it did for the French a century ago, let's see if it works out in WW3 the way it did in WW1.
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Raccooon posted:Still don't get Americans extreme hatred for Iran. They legitimately helped Shia militias kill a bunch of Americans during the occupation of Iraq, but it's hard to blame them when Bush was openly telling them they were next despite their attempt to work with us in Afghanistan. Bogging us down in Iraq was smart both to keep us too busy to gently caress with them and so they could build ties to militant factions in Iraq to gain influence for the long term. Israel constantly flipping out about how Iran's going to attack them from Syria also keeps Iran at the forefront of too many Americans' minds. Israel's already shown a pretty solid ability to bomb any Iranians who get too close to their border, but for some reason it's our job to work to expel them from Syria too. Dr Kool-AIDS has issued a correction as of 21:32 on Jan 5, 2020 |
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Raccooon posted:Still don't get Americans extreme hatred for Iran. iran seized british oil industry like... lmao almost a century ago now, like 75 years ago or something this poo poo is all deeply abstracted but that's what it goes back to, revenge for denying their wealth to the west
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Frosted Flake posted:This is more accurate than people are willing to realize. My brigade commander made sure to mention “speed and aggression” and “sudden, overwhelming violence of action” in pretty much every briefing and that mentality pretty much goes up the chain of command. ah, 21st century élan
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Sinteres posted:They legitimately helped Shia militias kill a bunch of Americans during the occupation of Iraq, but it's hard to blame them when Bush was openly telling them they were next despite their attempt to work with us in Afghanistan. Bogging us down in Iraq was smart both to keep us too busy to gently caress with them and so they could build ties to militant factions in Iraq to gain influence for the long term. also yeah if we hadn't gone into stupid adventurism into iraq for no good reason we might actually have frosty but civil relations with iran today lmao oh well millions of lives destroyed for nothing! that's america babey!!
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Raccooon posted:Still don't get Americans extreme hatred for Iran. Yeah, this is 70 years of tit for tat bloody noses all because they didn't want American Freedom
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Raccooon posted:Still don't get Americans extreme hatred for Iran. the american security/military apparatus hates iran with an undying passion both for overthowing the shah and the ensuing hostage crisis, and because the iranians have consistently and effectively hurt american interests, and agents, in the middle east the beirut barracks bombing is a big one. the iranians and hezbollah also managed to kidnap, torture and execute the CIA station chief for the middle east in the 80s, and blew up a meeting of the whole top CIA mideast leadership thanks to the information they extracted from him.
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1994 Toyota Celica posted:haaaahahahahaha don’t worry we don’t have le rouge pantaloons so it’s gonna work this time!
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1994 Toyota Celica posted:yeah, they're wahhabists, they have a lot more in common with the Saudis than Iran Not wahabis, but salafis, and more nationalistic than religious.
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TeenageArchipelago posted:Is al'shabab even affiliated with Iran? Those troops were there to fight them because the Nigerians weren't able to, I thought. Plus I thought that al'shabab liked ISIS? Everyone hates America regardless of whether or not they liked Suleimani
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PawParole posted:Not wahabis, but salafis, and more nationalistic than religious. oh, i'd read they were both
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Sinteres posted:They legitimately helped Shia militias kill a bunch of Americans during the occupation of Iraq, but it's hard to blame them when Bush was openly telling them they were next despite their attempt to work with us in Afghanistan. Bogging us down in Iraq was smart both to keep us too busy to gently caress with them and so they could build ties to militant factions in Iraq to gain influence for the long term. Can't really blame them. At that point the US had invaded the countries on either side of them. Makes sense to gently caress with the US in Iraq as a defensive maneuver.
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Paramemetic posted:Everyone hates America regardless of whether or not they liked Suleimani https://twitter.com/iamgriff_/status/1213656302725062656?s=21
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1994 Toyota Celica posted:oh, i'd read they were both Nope. Wahabism is a specific type of Salafism. The taliban and as-shabab follow local strains of religious Puritanism.
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