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The digital blood in this movie (particularly the scene where Frank executes the Nazis in the WWII flashback, and the Joe Columbo shooting) looks real obvious It's fine when it's some of the quick shooting, but when the camera is tighter on the shots or it's in slow motion, it's jarring to me
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^^^ Yeah digital blood looks pretty bad in general and definitely in this movie. BiggerBoat posted:Agreed. They tried to do it subtly with the music, cars etc. I think they even showed some movies or bands on a marquee,and also some tv news if I remember right. Stuff like that helped me a lot but maybe a little bit more of it would have added some clarity. Have a TV playing with a famous show or sporting event in the background or some news over the radio about Nixon, Vietnam of the Challenger disaster that everyone knows sets the year. BiggerBoat posted:And, yeah, I can't get how anyone can hate on this movie. At worst, I could see someone thinking "it was OK" since it has its flaws but I was sucked in the entire time. Also got a kick out of recognizing actors. Some of them took me a while. I didn't pick up that was Harvey Keitel right away.
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Watched this tonight. Still have a lot of thoughts. Might be the best mob movie I've seen, might be Scorsese's best. Not unlike Goodfellas and Casino, you go in expecting a "mob movie" except it's really about something else. DeNiro, Pesci, and Pacino are loving incredible here. The way you know the film is building up to Hoffa's death and how it just happens like it's a big nothing, then there's still a third of the film is like a gut punch. Then we get to see a bunch of old men disintegrate slowly. And the way it's drawn out with Sheehan picking out his coffin and mausoleum spot. But I love how Scorsese sneaks in the thread about redemption. Even as showing the goddamn FBI being told to gently caress off, but he confesses to the priest. "Keep the door open a bit, I like it" is such a beautiful way to end the film. Also, the CGI makeup didn't bother me one bit. (Already calling it that Cats gets Best Visual Effects over this at the Oscars)
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I have never noticed digital blood in my life and I don't care to look up examples of it because it seems like a "once you notice it" thing and I would prefer to live in blissful ignorance
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romanowski posted:I have never noticed digital blood in my life and I don't care to look up examples of it because it seems like a "once you notice it" thing and I would prefer to live in blissful ignorance
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Dec 9, 2019 01:38
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I did not expect Joe Pesci to be one of the chillest guys in this movie. Every time someone did or said something that I knew he didn't like I kept waiting for him to just smash a bottle in their face.
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Dec 10, 2019 11:07
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romanowski posted:I have never noticed digital blood in my life and I don't care to look up examples of it because it seems like a "once you notice it" thing and I would prefer to live in blissful ignorance I didn't even think it was one of those things you have to notice it's so obvious compared to physical squibs.
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4000 Dollar Suit posted:I did not expect Joe Pesci to be one of the chillest guys in this movie. Every time someone did or said something that I knew he didn't like I kept waiting for him to just smash a bottle in their face.
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Dec 10, 2019 16:04
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FlamingLiberal posted:It’s the inverse of his character in Goodfellas Yea that's what is so impressive about it. I knew Pacino and De Niro were capable of the kind of performances they gave in this movie, but Pesci's came completely out of left field. He was already a legendary actor but I think this elevates that legend to an even higher level than it was before.
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Ironically enough, I've never seen any of Scorceses mobster flicks (Goodfellas, Casino) etc, but I thought this was fantastic. Pretty much went in completely blind. I did not know it was about Jimmy Hoffa, nor that it was based on a (allegedly) true story. All I knew was that Scorcese made a movie for Netflix with digital Deniro. I ultimately think the real world story fascimile is what hurt it. Once I learned that it was based on 'real' people and events, some of those weirder scenes started to make more sense. Like why did they have Hoffas son in the car on the way to his execution? Oh because that was his actual last known location and they wanted to represent it on film. Divorced from that knowledge, that scene is super weird and divorced from the rest of the story. I kept expecting some sort of callback to his son fiercely defending him, like when the court scene assassin tries to make an attempt on his life a decade earlier.
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Really great movie. It’s a perfect capstone for Scorsese and the main actors involved. I read the book several years ago though and it definitely comes off like Sheeran making himself out to be some kind of mafia Forrest Gump.
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sportsgenius86 posted:Really great movie. It’s a perfect capstone for Scorsese and the main actors involved. I read the book several years ago though and it definitely comes off like Sheeran making himself out to be some kind of mafia Forrest Gump. Yeah placing himself front and center for the Bay of Pigs invasion and in the process meeting multiple figures in JFK conspiracy lore was maybe a bit much.
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He could easily be a character in James Ellroy’s ‘Underworld USA’ trilogy, hanging out with Pete Bondurant on a Miami cabstand.
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Isometric Bacon posted:Ironically enough, I've never seen any of Scorceses mobster flicks (Goodfellas, Casino) etc, but I thought this was fantastic. You need to rectify this situation
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Dec 17, 2019 12:11
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I was kind of bored watching this. Al Pacino was good, but I just couldn't get into these ancient fossils limping around with computer masks on. It felt like I was watching most of them do a final wave before death.
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Dec 17, 2019 23:07
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Didn't really enjoy this in the same way I didn't much care for Tarantino's recent love letter to Hollywood. Felt like competent directors falling short because they got too attached to their passion projects. Joe Pesci was great and I echo the other goon -- would love to see him in more understated, menacing roles as opposed to psycho or goofy roles. Also, between Ray Romano's performance here and David Schwimmer's work in The People v. OJ, I'm very much onboard for ex-sitcom stars hamming it up in dead-serious dramas. edit: Stephen Graham was superb in Boardwalk Empire, so glad to see him here again. Scorsese hired a bunch of Boardwalk Empire alumni. Vegetable fucked around with this message at 21:04 on Dec 21, 2019 |
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Vegetable posted:Didn't really enjoy this in the same way I didn't much care for Tarantino's recent love letter to Hollywood. Felt like competent directors falling short because they got too attached to their passion projects. Wow. I'm at loss for words. Between this, Once Upon a Time, My Name is Dolemite and Mindhunter, I feel like I've been on a mother loving redbox/netflix ROLL over the last 6 weeks. To each their own I suppose. Out of curiosity, what are some things you've liked over the last couple of months?
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afatwhiteloaf posted:Incredible film, Frank at the end fondling his ring, a meaningless reward for a dehumanizing, monstrous life, as the shadows close affected me more emotionally than anything I’ve seen in years. minato posted:The gutpunch scene for me was when Frank called Jo, sputtering the words, and as he hangs up we see the huge gold ring given to him by Russell. I figure one of the throughlines of the movie is the conflict between this idea of what Frank was supposed to do to take care of his family and actually taking care of his family. Basically what comes out in the dialogue between Frank and Dolores. This gives us the contrast between the Peggy-Hoffa relationship and the Peggy-Russell relationship. Hoffa is on the side of genuine connections, whereas Russell is on the side of going after more money. Frank is finally set in the path of doing hits when he needs more money. The various people being introduced by their times of death underlines that what Frank is doing, what he's being a part of, is creating a world where creating these lasting bonds is impossible. And then there's the gold ring, which is contrasted with his marriage ring. During the phone call with Jo, he holds the phone with his wedding ring hand. At the end of the call, he holds up his gold ring hand to cover his mouth/the receiver and then put the phone down. He fondles the ring at the end; at the nursing home he's pointedly shown to be alone. Everyone else at the nursing home has someone, and we don't even get to see the interlocutor who he's narrating the rest of the movie to. The ring isn't just a meaningless reward, it represents his commitment to a destructive and family-destroying way of life. With that in mind, Scorsese imbues the title "I heard you paint houses" with a lot of irony. A house-making activity is a euphemism for a home-destroying one.
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Really, really loved this. I feel like Scorsese's done a whole bunch of films that tell its story and then just... keeps going, so you can watch everyone involved shrivel up and fade away. They never fail to depress the gently caress out of me, and it's great. All of it was for nothing. The world moved on and barely a handful of old fucks even remember why these atrocities were committed. I do think the de-aging was a bit of a mis-step though, and will probably not look great in 10 years time. De Niro and Pacino generally looked great - but de-aged Pesci looked sort of like a CGI monster, especially close up. I think his face is just too distinctive to convincingly fake... Maybe it's his nose. I also kept noticing that the dialogue never 100% synced up with the de-aged performances. At first I thought it was bad ADR or just the playback on my TV, but it only happened when a de-aged actor was talking, and it really bugged me. And then in one scene (during the years Hoffa was in jail) they reverted to non-CGI de-aging effects and suddenly De Niro and Pesci looked 30 years older than they did in the previous scene. It was ambitious and generally impressive but I wish they found a way around the problem that wasn't so distracting.
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Dec 31, 2019 01:36
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Joe Pesci's nose looks a lot like a dick, sort of like that one scene in Nothing But Trouble.
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It’s me, I’m the guy who thought it would be a good idea to watch the Irishman at midnight on New Years. What a movie, but holy poo poo am I knockered. I’m going to church. ruddiger fucked around with this message at 10:54 on Jan 1, 2020 |
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ruddiger posted:I’m going to church. RIP ruddiger
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Groovelord Neato posted:Yeah I was thinking why is he calling a guy his age "kid"? I figured it’s an Italian thing, since Pesci says the same thing in Casino when they’re beating his 40+ year old brother to death. “Leave him alone, the kid’s still breathing...”
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Jan 2, 2020 01:08
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I honestly felt there's a diminishing return esp as the runtime goes on. Would have worked better as a miniseries? That way Scorcese would be able to let side characters breathe and instead of the hello and goodbyes we get packed into 3h20 like ignoring Sookie Stackhouse whose been discussed to death, you have jesse plemons who never really is given much to do despite his supposed importance to the family dynamic. Had to look up who this guy crazy Joe had killed was, a lot of little stuff like that also for a movie about supposed Irishmen they probably could have done with de-Italianing technology lol
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Jan 6, 2020 02:47
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They should’ve split into two two hour movies, tho I’m not sure what would be a good stopping point for part 1.
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With all due respect, the movie seems to have been well-received, so I don't actually think it would have been better as a miniseries. I also don't think a lot more screentime for minor characters like Jesse Plemmons and Crazy Joe is necessary at all. Anna Paquin's role has kind been discussed to death.
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ruddiger posted:They should’ve split into two two hour movies, tho I’m not sure what would be a good stopping point for part 1. Roughly half way worked out well for me. I can't remember the exact spot but if I remember right it had a chapter title or something like that.
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I don't know how making it a miniseries would change anything since the proper way to watch them or regular series is to binge them anyway.
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This felt like a two-hour Hoffa movie bookended by a 90-minute Frank Sheeran biopic.
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Inspector Gesicht posted:This felt like a two-hour Hoffa movie bookended by a 90-minute Frank Sheeran biopic. I think this is the movie's biggest weakness. The focus on Hoffa is so overwhelming that you don't get enough of the actual relationship between him and Sheeran.
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I think the other weakness is hinging so much on Anna Paquin when she only gets seven words of dialogue. Still a better deal than what Margot Robbie had to work with in OUATIH.
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Ok, so am I only one who interpreted the fish scene as Jesse Plemons' character having sex with a woman of poor hygiene in the back of his car recently? Instead of admitting it, he made up a ridiculous story about driving around with a fish that didn't stand up to questioning. Anyway, I liked the movie a lot, although it would've worked better as a mini series. I'm in the camp that mostly didn't notice the de-aging, although it did throw off my perception of time, and it threw me for a loop when the Kennedy assassination was well into Frank's career. My favorite thing about the movie was the lack of glamor for the mob lifestyle. Frank just grinds away at work his whole life. He never goes to wild parties, pulls in hot babes, or makes insane amounts of money like many other mob films. He's just an overworked stiff making money for richer people like the people he ostensibly represents, losing himself and his family in the process. On the broader scale, the Philly mafia in this movie never really seems to be on top of the world. With Casino and Goodfellas, there were a few good years before it all came crashing down, but here it was all about daily grind. To that end, the length of the film helped. I also liked the touch that Frank had a lot of PTSD from the war, which added a unique element to his ability to kill indiscriminately and how he blindly took orders. I can't recall another mob movie where the characters' sociopathy is actually explained instead of just having the audience assume these are all just natural born killers.
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Blind Pineapple posted:Ok, so am I only one who interpreted the fish scene as Jesse Plemons' character having sex with a woman of poor hygiene in the back of his car recently? Instead of admitting it, he made up a ridiculous story about driving around with a fish that didn't stand up to questioning I’m gonna go ahead and speak for everyone and say it’s just you.
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Blind Pineapple posted:Ok, so am I only one who interpreted the fish scene as Jesse Plemons' character having sex with a woman of poor hygiene in the back of his car recently? Instead of admitting it, he made up a ridiculous story about driving around with a fish that didn't stand up to questioning. You may be right. He had "fish" in the back of the car ha ha, get it?
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Yeah, they were making such a thing of it that it definitely wasn't just fish they were talking about, although we may be in  territory now, I'm not sure.
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Honestly I think it was just a fish, and the conversation is to demonstrate that Frank has his radar on high alert for threats and is pulling at any tiny thread he notices that might indicate something is amiss, AND Jessie Plemons character is an oblivious idiot who will go pick up a fish and deliver it without even noticing what type of fish it is.
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Basebf555 posted:Honestly I think it was just a fish, and the conversation is to demonstrate that Frank has his radar on high alert for threats and is pulling at any tiny thread he notices that might indicate something is amiss, AND Jessie Plemons character is an oblivious idiot who will go pick up a fish and deliver it without even noticing what type of fish it is.
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Vegetable posted:It seemed more abnormal to me that someone would expect him to know what fish he delivered. It would be normal for a guy who actually takes ownership of his job and has a basic awareness about him to know something like that, but Plemons character just isn't that type of guy. He's more of a guy who you tell to go from point A to point B and drop off a fish and he never puts a single thought into it. That's why they could use him to set up his father, he's a dumbass.
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Vagina doesn't actually smell of fish. Hth
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