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wolfs posted:yall ignoring sean hannity spooking the Iranian military within an hour of the plane going down? Yeah, Hannity specifically boasted that B-52s (which have a very similar radar profile to an airliner) were en route to Tehran, and then that plane went boom. Can’t really blame a jumpy Iranian air defence crew for thinking Fox News is reliable military intelligence.
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AnEdgelord posted:Some posters have gone well past "suggesting" anything and are straight up asserting things we have no evidence of and then having multi page meltdowns whenever someone even vaguely challenges what they're saying. I found a video for us all to look at and discuss https://twitter.com/MaximilieMoreau/status/1215369249318998020
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Darth Walrus posted:Yeah, Hannity specifically boasted that B-52s (which have a very similar radar profile to an airliner) were en route to Tehran, and then that plane went boom. Can’t really blame a jumpy Iranian air defence crew for thinking Fox News is reliable military intelligence. I wonder if they'll deploy the B-3 bomber
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Jan 9, 2020 21:37
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So was the person filming the plane just filming random stuff to hopefully get a war video to post online? Seems odd that they were trying to keep a plane in focus, even moving to get a better view, but I could understand that reasoning
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Jan 9, 2020 21:39
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Darth Walrus posted:Yeah, Hannity specifically boasted that B-52s (which have a very similar radar profile to an airliner) were en route to Tehran, and then that plane went boom. Can’t really blame a jumpy Iranian air defence crew for thinking Fox News is reliable military intelligence. Bahaha. sum posted:I found a video for us all to look at and discuss Alright guys hold up. What if this was actually a Russian Operation designed to frame Iran and thus have America invade on a dubious cassus belli? Can't you guys understand how it would be racist to suggest anything else?
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Jan 9, 2020 21:39
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im a plane expert who watched the plane fall on that very cool video and i know exactly what kind if missile and what part of the plane it hit in the dark because i read it in a post 2 nights ago and cant let go of the fake facts
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Jan 9, 2020 21:46
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TeenageArchipelago posted:So was the person filming the plane just filming random stuff to hopefully get a war video to post online? Seems odd that they were trying to keep a plane in focus, even moving to get a better view, but I could understand that reasoning is it not the case that a lot of videos exist of missile intercepts and junk, shot by people on the ground? i think it's probably not hard to hear something like a rocket motor
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Jan 9, 2020 21:50
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he was probably filming himself smoking in the backyard when a low altitude plane happened to clip a bird that ate dynamite in frame
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Jan 9, 2020 21:52
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TeenageArchipelago posted:So was the person filming the plane just filming random stuff to hopefully get a war video to post online? Seems odd that they were trying to keep a plane in focus, even moving to get a better view, but I could understand that reasoning Story from the US government is two missiles so could have responded to the first one to catch the 2nd.
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Jan 9, 2020 21:54
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Darth Walrus posted:Yeah, Hannity specifically boasted that B-52s (which have a very similar radar profile to an airliner) were en route to Tehran, and then that plane went boom. Can’t really blame a jumpy Iranian air defence crew for thinking Fox News is reliable military intelligence. why would a b-52 be taking off from an airport in tehran, and why was this iranian aa team glued to fox news? there was what, an hour between the broadcast and the plane crash? how did a story that was only spread in the us two days later get translated, verified, and passed to local low-level troops in this timeframe, and why would the iranians trust hannity over their own radars? b-52s aren't exactly stealth bombers. this story makes no sense.
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Snake Dance posted:Can't believe "Ding" Chavez and Sam Fisher infiltrated Tehran just so they could hack a SAM site to shoot down that plane https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4xO0k9LcIU
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Jan 9, 2020 22:03
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TeenageArchipelago posted:So was the person filming the plane just filming random stuff to hopefully get a war video to post online? Seems odd that they were trying to keep a plane in focus, even moving to get a better view, but I could understand that reasoning probably started filming after the launch since its not in the video
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Jan 9, 2020 22:05
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GoluboiOgon posted:why would a b-52 be taking off from an airport in tehran, and why was this iranian aa team glued to fox news? there was what, an hour between the broadcast and the plane crash? how did a story that was only spread in the us two days later get translated, verified, and passed to local low-level troops in this timeframe, and why would the iranians trust hannity over their own radars? b-52s aren't exactly stealth bombers. this story makes no sense. English is very widely spoken in Iran, to the point where most public signs are bilingual. They know as well as we do that Fox News anchors are Trump’s most trusted advisors.
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Jan 9, 2020 22:09
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i doubt an intel report on what hannity said managed to trickle down to AA crews between when he said and when the plane crashed
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Jan 9, 2020 22:10
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So what Darth Walrus is implying is that Iranian Military Intelligence is about as smart as the Fox New Demographic. nice.
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Jan 9, 2020 22:12
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if it was a missile the likely scenario in my mind is that the AA crews were put on alert, the 737 wasn't squawking its transponder on a military channel OR the battery's tracking system failed to pick it up. the plane then ascended to a point where the radar could track it and it suddenly popped up on some guy's radar screen as an unidentified aircraft over down town tehran
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Raskolnikov38 posted:i doubt an intel report on what hannity said managed to trickle down to AA crews between when he said and when the plane crashed I mean, they could have just been watching it themselves. This is 2020. Everyone is online.
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Jan 9, 2020 22:14
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If I was an Iranian AA guy waiting for Trump to rain nuclear hellfire down on my city, I might be a little skittish
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Jan 9, 2020 22:15
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a jumpy AA crew expecting american retaliation seems like a pretty reasonable explanation. this all happened because of trump anyway, not like that changes who the aggressor is in all of this
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Raskolnikov38 posted:if it was a missile the likely scenario in my mind is that the AA crews were put on alert, the 737 wasn't squawking its transponder on a military channel OR the battery's tracking system failed to pick it up. the plane then ascended to a point where the radar could track it and it suddenly popped up on some guy's radar screen as an unidentified aircraft over down town tehran Yea for sure. There are a ton of ways that guns/missiles pointing at the sky and "on alert," would accidentally shoot at the wrong target. I also heard that two missiles were fired? But I guess the first missed? Doesn't sound like plucky Iran is all that well organized.
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i think AA missile standard practice is to launch missiles in volleys of 2 or more to ensure a kill
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Raskolnikov38 posted:i think AA missile standard practice is to launch missiles in volleys of 2 or more to ensure a kill I'll trust you on that. I assume with a decent delay between them? Hence why the camera guy was able to start recording and see the hit.
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I can’t understand the pressure some posters have to ascribe some kind of narrative to this other than a mistake on someone’s part. the relevant parties and countries need to get together, as I’m sure they will, and determine the cause and come up with a resolution. what more needs to be said? it seems kind of silly to stretch things to try and put the US in a position of responsibility for a Tehran AA missile battery’s decision making. or that that missile crew were watching Sean hannity at the time.
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Jan 9, 2020 23:08
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:But I guess the first missed? Doesn't sound like plucky Iran is all that well organized. if you are just neutrally asking questions and the US, France, and other nations have made similar mistakes, why single out Iran with rear end in a top hat statements like this, as if they are uniquely incompetent
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also this is an example of why no one should wish for war, because it’s very un-neat and largely just a series of fuckups and absurdities even when there is a “good guy” and a “bad guy”
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THS posted:if you are just neutrally asking questions and the US, France, and other nations have made similar mistakes, why single out Iran with rear end in a top hat statements like this, as if they are uniquely incompetent This is the mock Iran thread. Also there are no "good guys" in this comedy of errors.
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I can't believe we've let the posting disparity reach such disturbing levels. What are we spending our defense budget on, because clearly it isn't working
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:This is the mock Iran thread. Also there are no "good guys" in this comedy of errors. what the fucks wrong with you
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the party that was attacked for decades is the good guy that is my hot take
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in a conflict with the imperialist hegemony, the people countering it are the people to support, however imperfect they are. the only time that gets hairy is with literal ISIS death cults or stuff like al qaeda but whoops it always turns out that those were created by america anyway
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THS posted:what the fucks wrong with you obviously he hasn’t read A message on transphobia and bigotry
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Jan 9, 2020 23:36
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It's cowardly to say that there's any sort of moral equivalency between Iran and America. The US just went and committed an insane, stupid act of war against Iran for no reason, and Iran responded in the most measured, rational possible way.
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Jan 9, 2020 23:38
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Santa Claus was aboard that Ukrainian plane. It was his vacation.
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Maybe after 10 more pages of Debate and Discussion we will finally reach a reasonable goonclusion.
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Victory Position posted:Santa Claus was aboard that Ukrainian plane. It was his vacation. so that's why trump declared that he had won the war on christmas.
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Mrs. Dash posted:Maybe after 10 more pages of Debate and Discussion we will finally reach a reasonable goonclusion. 
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seems kind of stupid not not completely ground all civilian flights at a time where you might expect some kind of military response to come down from the heavens. I mean I get Ukraine not constantly having no civilian flights since it's a fairly protracted conflict, but Iran shouldve probably known it's either a quick response immediately after, a delayed response at an unknown time, or all out war. Just grounding all flights for 12 hours or so just to be safe shouldn't be to hard or have to many consequences.
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Victory Position posted:Santa Claus was aboard that Ukrainian plane. It was his vacation. it's ok, that was a different Ukrainian plane that done blown up
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RajCooper posted:Just grounding all flights for 12 hours or so just to be safe shouldn't be to hard or have to many consequences. #BREAKING - Tyrannical Iranian regime holds innocent foreign nationals hostage for 12 hours in desperate and foolish attempt to escape completely justified and extremely measured US response, credible sources report.
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ON TUCKER CARLSON TONIGHT: Is the Rogue Iranian Terror Regime using international travelers as humans shields? It sure seems that way!
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