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Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!

BrokenGameboy posted:

Anyone else miss all the ancient echidna stuff that used to be in the games 3 to adventure? It gave a sense of mystery to the series that's missing now.

Also I just really like ancient ruins.



What more do you need than this

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BrokenGameboy
Jan 25, 2019

by Fluffdaddy
Forgive me Penders for I have sinned.

But anyways. I specifically mean the stuff that only appeared in the games, and not the comics and their endless enchiladas.

Perpetual Motion
Aug 12, 2013
The whole Penders thing is probably exactly why they haven't touched Echidna stuff since Sonic Chronicles. He threw a legal hissyfit when that game came out that really hosed things up. The game not being any good on top of that certainly didn't help, though.

MJeff
Jun 2, 2011

THE LIAR
I think it's more that they just don't give a poo poo about Knuckles as a character. The Master Emerald and his duty as a guardian used to be his motivation but it's pretty clear that after that they saw it as a roadblock to getting him involved to the point where they just refuse to acknowledge it.

Plus there was clearly some kind of edict to have as few of Sonic's friends be playable as possible after Sonic 2006 even though Sonic Unleashed really just should've been Sonic & Knuckles Unleashed it was the biggest lay-up ever, Jesus Christ.

SeANMcBAY
Jun 28, 2006

Look on the bright side.



Sega being scared of Ken Penders is so hilarious that I want to believe that’s true now.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




I suspect the main reason is that since unleashed onwards they've been focusing on just sonic as the playable character and avoiding the wider cast as being more than minor background decoration (presumably in response to criticism about all the extra playstyles), and what's the point in diving into echidna poo poo if Knuckles is just a minor supporting.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




The japanese trailer with Child Sonic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9DA3DEYeHM

Neat that they used the Mania opening music in a movie trailer, surprises me.

MJeff
Jun 2, 2011

THE LIAR

MikeJF posted:

I suspect the main reason is that since unleashed onwards they've been focusing on just sonic as the playable character and avoiding the wider cast as being more than minor background decoration (presumably in response to criticism about all the extra playstyles), and what's the point in diving into echidna poo poo if Knuckles is just a minor supporting.

Taking that criticism literally was a massive mistake. People weren't sick of Sonic's friends being playable, they were sick of the gameplay being bad.

I guess I should want them to figure out Sonic's gameplay before I start asking them to bring the friends back, but geez.

Pants Donkey
Nov 13, 2011

Yeah, the friends shifted from being variations on Sonic’s gameplay to different gameplay entirely. Or just tedious busywork like Heroes forcing you to beat the game four times for the final chapter.

Big Scary Owl
Oct 1, 2014

by Fluffdaddy
Wait, so one of the samples that is used in Wrapped in Black from Sonic Rush is from Grandia 1? Or do both use the same sample from somewhere? I guess this ain't news for most of you but I only found this out today cause I was listening to Grandia's OST.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlCK5RWO54E&t=11s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBFqSpLvLcI&t=17s

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:
I don't think so, they're different enough that they're not sampled, also the note progression is different enough that I don't think it's an intentional homage on Naganuma's part.

Kurieg fucked around with this message at 05:34 on Jan 2, 2020

Ventana
Mar 28, 2010

*Yosh intensifies*

Kurieg posted:

I don't think so, they're different enough that they're not sampled, also the note progression is different enough that I don't think it's an intentional homage on Naganuma's part.

Both of these things are things that a lot of Naganuma samples mess around with so I don't think this is really a good argument.

We don't have 100% proof; most of finding the samples comes from correlations of the samples in a sound library that we're sure Sega had, but sometimes Naganuma seems to pull a lot of stuff from other libraries or just directly grabbing them from source (iirc, there's tons of samples so it's hard to remember exactly). Knowing Naganuma it's probably greater than 50% chance he pulled this as he does a lot of his stuff.

Btw there's a bunch of videos looking at the samples of Naganuma's stuff but one of them came out recently that I missed so here y'all go:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8elNeXc27M

Dehry
Aug 21, 2009

Grimey Drawer
https://twitter.com/SPEEPSHighway/status/1215395118183788549

Screaming Idiot
Nov 26, 2007

JUST POSTING WHILE JERKIN' MY GHERKIN SITTIN' IN A PERKINS!

BEATS SELLING MERKINS.

Give Big the Cat honkin' huge gazongarinos and we'll talk, buddy

Stairmaster
Jun 8, 2012

please sega.... give us sonic mania 2.....

SeANMcBAY
Jun 28, 2006

Look on the bright side.



Stairmaster posted:

please sega.... give us sonic mania 2.....

My worst fear is them announcing this and then we find out Dimps is developing it instead of the original team.

Heran Bago
Aug 18, 2006



I don't let it get to me.

I'm just gonna creep.

man nurse
Feb 18, 2014


Heran Bago posted:

I don't let it get to me.

I'm just gonna creep.

I know that it’s here, I can sense it in my feet.

Shadow Hog
Feb 23, 2014

Avatar by Jon Davies
A ghost tried to approach me.

He got Larry.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


Yeeeaaaaaahhhhh!

https://twitter.com/sonic_hedgehog/status/1217854102111014912?s=19

I love Sonic 2 SMS, it's such a weird and imperfect game and it's great to see it getting some love.

Doctor_Fruitbat fucked around with this message at 23:15 on Jan 16, 2020

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.
Sonic 2 for game gear was my very first videogame, so that track is giving me traumatic flashbacks.

SCheeseman
Apr 23, 2003

I played it on SMS. It was weird back in the day reading about how frustrated people were with Sonic 2 GG figuring it's the same game, which it is, until I played it and realized the zoomed in camera makes it virtually unplayable.

ArfJason
Sep 5, 2011
check this goddamned poo poo out i mean what the gently caress
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JB-szxyXqA

Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!
https://twitter.com/tempurmental/status/1219837790248153090

Fawf
Nov 5, 2009

It's Me, It's Me, It's DDD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCuCpVPkWDY

Official music video for the movie. It's been up for about 5 minutes and a cursory search didn't bring up a dozen new romhacks with the official canonical Movie Eggman sprite, the fanbase is slipping

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


One minute movie clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuAc5InDGKY

Looks just fine, especially if I get drunk first, which I will.

Big Scary Owl posted:

Wait, so one of the samples that is used in Wrapped in Black from Sonic Rush is from Grandia 1? Or do both use the same sample from somewhere? I guess this ain't news for most of you but I only found this out today cause I was listening to Grandia's OST.

That seems to be an official version but weirdly it isn't what we got in the final game:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC5MDYGl_m4

Another YouTube copy listed it as the CD version. I wonder why the two are different?

Doctor_Fruitbat fucked around with this message at 01:04 on Jan 27, 2020

Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!

Doctor_Fruitbat posted:

One minute movie clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuAc5InDGKY

Looks just fine, especially if I get drunk first, which I will.

Animation wise I think this looks great, ESPECIALLY Sonic's face which was one of the biggest failures of the first design. I'm kind of baffled at people that say the redesign still doesn't look.

Also I wonder how much Tyson Hesse had on other aspects of the film and its marketing, because it feels like they're going heavy on music, sound effects, and even things like making references to Sonic's smash poses. Like I wonder if all that stuff was still in the movie, just the design of Sonic was monsterous, or if Tyson Hesse also was like "hey you should put these nods from the games into the movie, people will dig it"

edit: Also regarding the animation, the hands are just SO much better. It's so important Sonic has his drat gloves on and not the horrible white alien hands they gave him originally

Calaveron
Aug 7, 2006
:negative:
I’m gonna be so sad when this stupid movie never gets a sequel so we don’t get to see Jim Robotnik Carrey full on hamming it up as a fat egg boy

SeANMcBAY
Jun 28, 2006

Look on the bright side.



Calaveron posted:

I’m gonna be so sad when this stupid movie never gets a sequel so we don’t get to see Jim Robotnik Carrey full on hamming it up as a fat egg boy

It could. I have a feeling it’s either gonna be a surprise hit or a flop.

Dehry
Aug 21, 2009

Grimey Drawer
It depends on how many people get upset over BLUE ARMS.

MJeff
Jun 2, 2011

THE LIAR
Considering the freakin' studio got shuttered, I feel like it'd have to be a pretty big hit to make its money back, muchless get a sequel.

Pants Donkey
Nov 13, 2011

MJeff posted:

Considering the freakin' studio got shuttered, I feel like it'd have to be a pretty big hit to make its money back, muchless get a sequel.
That has nothing to do with the cost, and everything to do with VFX studios being treated as disposable and criminally underpaid for their work. I hear their contracts are awful, and they probably didn’t even get additional pay for fixing Sonic’s design.

Sonic just happened to be the movie it last working on when it died.

Ventana
Mar 28, 2010

*Yosh intensifies*

Doctor_Fruitbat posted:

That seems to be an official version but weirdly it isn't what we got in the final game:

Another YouTube copy listed it as the CD version. I wonder why the two are different?

Idk how it works to the exact detail, but basically if you look it up on the official Sonic Rush OST there are the original versions (if you look them up they'll also be called "Digital Remakin' Trax") that are basically the proper versions of the songs. But because they had to go through the DS soundchip, a lot of the stuff changed. That's why the OST has both the original versions at the start of it, and the actual DS versions later. What you posted was the version in the DS, and he posted the original version (CD version).

I don't know how common it is, but I think I've seen at least some other handheld official OSTs do this kinda thing before.

Fedule
Mar 27, 2010


No one left uncured.
I got you.

Ventana posted:

I don't know how common it is, but I think I've seen at least some other handheld official OSTs do this kinda thing before.

Hell, Final Fantasy XII, a PS2 game, did this.

azurite
Jul 25, 2010

Strange, isn't it?!


Dehry posted:

It depends on how many people get upset over BLUE ARMS.

You know what's weirder than blue arms? Fleshy legs. My sister got me a signed print from Scott Shaw at SDCC, and he gave Sonic fleshy legs. There's also shading done via hatching, so they look hairy at first glance.

It's great because old school Archie would've definitely hosed that up.

Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!
Sonic murders two people

https://twitter.com/TailsChannel/status/1221911699726524416

MJeff
Jun 2, 2011

THE LIAR
Sonic looks kinda. Unfinished in that one.

Sonic and Carrey have a good back and forth, I think.

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

Personally I feel like Jim Carrey basically playing Jim Carrey actually kind of fits for this particular role (Robotnik does have a tendency to act like a manchild at times).

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SeANMcBAY
Jun 28, 2006

Look on the bright side.




This doesn’t even look like a real movie.:lol:

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