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ErrEff posted:I love how everything in this post indicates that the only way you could get info back in those days was via GAMESTOP™/GAME INFORMER™ (sold in all good GAMESTOP™ stores). No internet sites or forums, no newsgroups, no newsletters, no phone hotlines, no demo discs, no dedicated television shows, no friends and acquaintances, no other magazines... none of that existed, apparently. Yeah I mean you had multiple forums like gamefaqs, GameSpot, and something I think was called LUAE or something. Not to mention the multiple magazines that also were out, and I'm pretty sure even in 2001 I waited half a hour to watch Nintendo's e3 clips on their website for upcoming GameCube games.
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The dude probably did get all his information in 2001 by going into a gamestop and asking the employee to sell them on games. The guy got sold the concept of Stadia, why do you think he makes informed decisions?
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In other hilarious Stadia news, the stadia community as a whole are organising what they call "Stadia Super Saturday" to happen just before the founders subscriptions start to lapse. A full day where they try to bombard every platform with positive Stadia vibes. Imagine buying a product from the largest advertising company in the history of the world, and thinking to yourselves "Guys, we gotta get the word out".
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Khablam posted:In other hilarious Stadia news, the stadia community as a whole are organising what they call "Stadia Super Saturday" to happen just before the founders subscriptions start to lapse. A full day where they try to bombard every platform with positive Stadia vibes. You know I've seen quite a few console releases, and even the biggest gently caress up of the last few decades (Xbox one the third) didn't seem to have this much.... Fan boy energy behind it. They were mostly actually playing the games that they had, plus defending themselves against trolls but they weren't doing this level of preaching or had that much self delusional thoughts.
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Ineffiable posted:You know I've seen quite a few console releases, and even the biggest gently caress up of the last few decades (Xbox one the third) didn't seem to have this much.... Fan boy energy behind it. They were mostly actually playing the games that they had, plus defending themselves against trolls but they weren't doing this level of preaching or had that much self delusional thoughts. You know how they say some scammers make their schemes sound ridiculous on purpose, as a way of screening out anyone with skepticism and ensuring that only the highly credulous engage with the scam? The Stadia launch is kinda like that.
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neonchameleon posted:It frankly amazes me that Stadia doesn't even have FIFA despite that being EA printing money to the point they make a build on an entirely separate engine for the Switch. Oh poo poo I forgot about this: Apparently EA's agreement with FIFA requires them to release at least one official FIFA game on every console, or at least every major one (e.g. I think they were able to avoid releasing one on Ouya). Now given Stadia's release timing, I think this is just something they have to consider for the next game (FIFA 21). If Stadia is somehow not dead by the time E3 rolls around, and it's not announced for Stadia, we'll probably actually get an official word from EA as to why they skipped the platform.
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It's worth noting ahead of time that this question is purely academic. Doom 64 doesn't exist on Stadia. Neither does Doom 2016. But the level of delusion here is just, well...quote:Doom 64 free with Doom Eternal? quote:Of course it needs to be ported, but the question is, will it be ported to Stadia as a bonus for ordering/pre-ordering? It seems like something Google needs to sort out. quote:Maybe as someone else said, we get a different DOOM game? Maybe I just don't want to believe that Stadia won't be getting the same deal as other platforms. quote:One theory is that they'll swap Doom 64 for Doom 2016 which would explain it's absence. quote:As I see it the only thing Google can do to reset the balance if there's no Doom 64 on Stadia, which is highly likely in my opinion, would be to pay Bethesda to make Doom 2016 as Pro game in March.
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Khablam posted:In other hilarious Stadia news, the stadia community as a whole are organising what they call "Stadia Super Saturday" to happen just before the founders subscriptions start to lapse. A full day where they try to bombard every platform with positive Stadia vibes. Oh yes, 1 streamer on mixer, the rest on youtube. Khablam posted:Imagine buying a product from the largest advertising company in the history of the world, and thinking to yourselves "Guys, we gotta get the word out". To be honest it's the same things that used to happen on school grounds when people just told everyone how genesis did what nintendon't
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Khablam posted:Imagine buying a product from the largest advertising company in the history of the world, and thinking to yourselves "Guys, we gotta get the word out". They know that google is going to shut down the service if they don't get a large enough user-base.
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Sandweed posted:They know that google is going to shut down the service if they don't get a large enough user-base.  prize if Stadia bites it? What do you think they'd send out? Steam keys? Refunds?Based on the level of customer service people are complaining about on the reddit, it wouldn't surprise me if they just cut and run. I'm certain the EULA says "we don't owe anyone anything", just like most digital content platforms.
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Tempura Wizard posted:What's the over-under on Google sending out any sort of "consolation" the left over keys for AC: Odyssey
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You tell them about an amazing service they are offering called "local streaming." You store the game data locally and have it run on your own Google server specially designed for home use. Your controller still communicates with it over wi-fi.
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Cemetry Gator posted:You tell them about an amazing service they are offering called "local streaming." You store the game data locally and have it run on your own Google server specially designed for home use. lol they already made the googlebox and promptly killed it
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Tempura Wizard posted:What's the over-under on Google sending out any sort of "consolation" You never paid for those games, you paid for the access to them on Google service, when the service is gone you can't access them anymore. Simple stuff.
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A toy tractor so you can play Farming Simulator in your yard.
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Sandweed posted:You never paid for those games, you paid for the access to them on Google service, when the service is gone you can't access them anymore. Simple stuff. Microsoft auto-refunded my P90X purchase when the Xbox Fitness with Kinect service was shut down like 2 years after I purchased it; every dollar spent on that ultimately failed service by the public was fully refunded, no questions asked, you didn't even have to ask them to do it unless you had to sort out some nuance with no longer having the same banking details or some such. I'm sure MS would have loved to just point to the purchase agreement and cut and run, but it seems their legal team advised that that straight refunds would be simplest and least damaging to them. If not that many Stadia users bought standalone games (which seems pretty likely, even I only bought one title for $20 and I'm the absolute worst with purchasing decisions) Google might just decide paying out for those purchases and taking the financial hit is still worth it overall.
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Ineffiable posted:You know I've seen quite a few console releases, and even the biggest gently caress up of the last few decades (Xbox one the third) didn't seem to have this much.... Fan boy energy behind it. They were mostly actually playing the games that they had, plus defending themselves against trolls but they weren't doing this level of preaching or had that much self delusional thoughts. nobody was concerned their xbox was going to become a paperweight if enough people didn't buy in
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PSA: Stadia breakout sensation Farming Simulator 19 is now free on the Epic Game Store, for those of you who wanted to try out 1/22nd of the Stadia library without having to pay for an overheating Chromecast and a wifi and bluetooth game controller that doesn't actually work over wifi or bluetooth much of the time.
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evilweasel posted:nobody was concerned their xbox was going to become a paperweight if enough people didn't buy in Actually, they very specifically were concerned about this in mid-2013.
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univbee posted:Microsoft auto-refunded my P90X purchase when the Xbox Fitness with Kinect service was shut down like 2 years after I purchased it; every dollar spent on that ultimately failed service by the public was fully refunded, no questions asked, you didn't even have to ask them to do it unless you had to sort out some nuance with no longer having the same banking details or some such. Microsoft also wanted to be in gaming, they weren't done yet and chose to take the hit for another go at it. Googles CEO doesnt understand video games, has never played them, and seems like he was cutting stadia funding before it was even out. I think he'd be hard to convince that goodwill from gamers is worthwhile thing to spend any money on at all.
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Stux posted:installing the epic game launcher is just as much fail as buying stadia though Nah it's worth all the free games you get
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Sandweed posted:You never paid for those games, you paid for the access to them on Google service, when the service is gone you can't access them anymore. Simple stuff. I imagine this sentence uttered by a dadia minutes before Google announces the discontinuation of the project.
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Rotten Red Rod posted:Nah it's worth all the free games you get no it sucks the moon clean out of the sky and thats saying something when its competition is the pile of garbage known as steam
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ErrEff posted:The "Last Night I Did It" thread got nuked (the guy who sold all his consoles and then had a gigantic meltdown in the comments). Turns out even the mods have a limit for how zealous people can be. Unlike on sa you can delete your threads on reddit.
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Stux posted:installing the epic game launcher is just as much fail as buying stadia though How else are you supposed to legally get untitled goose game on PC
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limaCAT posted:How else are you supposed to legally get untitled goose game on PC i just wait? theres no rush lol
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So on r/Stadia there was a question about who sets the prices of Stadia games and naturally everyone said "the publishers duh just like every other storefront" but... that is very likely not the case right? Stadia is not just like every other store front in that they're not selling you a game license, they're selling you access to their game license. It seems much more likely that Google is entirely in charge of setting the prices.
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Stux posted:no it sucks the moon clean out of the sky and thats saying something when its competition is the pile of garbage known as steam 
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Stux posted:i just wait? theres no rush lol  with this normie nonsense
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leftist heap posted:So on r/Stadia there was a question about who sets the prices of Stadia games and naturally everyone said "the publishers duh just like every other storefront" but... that is very likely not the case right? Stadia is not just like every other store front in that they're not selling you a game license, they're selling you access to their game license. It seems much more likely that Google is entirely in charge of setting the prices. No, it would be the publishers. For all intents and purposes, you're buying the game license - just only on Stadia's framework as opposed to a copy you can download from Steam. I imagine that the delivery method doesn't matter. Also, even if it worked the way you did, there still needs to be a transfer of money from Google to the publishers. Google isn't buying a large amount of licenses up front - it's only when you buy it that they can transfer it to you. Plus, developers would not be happy with Google undercutting them or devaluing their games without working with them.
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univbee posted:Microsoft auto-refunded my P90X purchase when the Xbox Fitness with Kinect service was shut down like 2 years after I purchased it; every dollar spent on that ultimately failed service by the public was fully refunded, no questions asked, you didn't even have to ask them to do it unless you had to sort out some nuance with no longer having the same banking details or some such. I bet it was their PR team not the legal team, and the biggest reason to do that was to keep goodwill in the gaming space. Similarly MS shut down their ebook service a year or so ago and refunded all money spent, because they don't want people to think that spending money on MS stores is risky. Contrast the GFWL shutdown. They did that while they were still riding high on the 360 and were starting to make noises about PC gaming being unimportant and a relic. MS imagined they'd be the console winners forever, so they kinda just ignored the fallout from abandoning GFWL. Oops. (OTOH the idea of refunds wouldn't have worked since it wasn't just MS selling GFWL games.) If google quits on stadia it's not like they have anything to protect. They'll go back to ignoring video games, the little studios they've bought will be scrapped or re-tasked to make demos for Daydream 2.0 or whatever other project some exec is excited about. Stadia won't shut down right away -- ongoing expenses are low -- but it will be the stinky project all the employees are trying to get away from. So there will be zero developer support and thus new games will stop being released. It will quietly shut down in 1386 days and the reaction will be "Stadia was still running?".
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leftist heap posted:So on r/Stadia there was a question about who sets the prices of Stadia games and naturally everyone said "the publishers duh just like every other storefront" but... that is very likely not the case right? Stadia is not just like every other store front in that they're not selling you a game license, they're selling you access to their game license. It seems much more likely that Google is entirely in charge of setting the prices. There is absolutely no way the publishers can unilaterally set the price, because Sandweed posted:You never paid for those games, you paid for the access to them on Google service, you're paying in part for Google's service, and even Google isn't dumb enough to let a third-party set prices for a Google product/service for which Google incurs costs to run. My guess is either Google has unilateral ability to set the price (at specific revenue percentage splits with the publisher), or Google sets the price within minimums and maximums stipulated by the publisher. e: Cemetry Gator posted:No, it would be the publishers. For all intents and purposes, you're buying the game license - just only on Stadia's framework as opposed to a copy you can download from Steam. I imagine that the delivery method doesn't matter. This model doesn't work for Stadia *as currently described by Google*. Google's cost to run a game streaming service are orders of magnitude more than to run a digital distribution service, and more importantly, those costs are a function of play time, not sales. If Google's covering their sever costs through recurring subscription revenue (i.e., the Pro tier), then no problem, let the publishers set the purchase price since that's not where Google makes its money. But if Google's covering their server costs through the one-time initial sales revenue (i.e., the mythical Basic tier), then they'd be insane to let a publisher determine the price unilaterally. Which, now that I think about it... Google trying to square this particular circle is yet another reason the "basic" tier doesn't make sense, hasn't shown up yet, and might never show up. Blotto_Otter fucked around with this message at 18:54 on Jan 30, 2020 |
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leftist heap posted:So on r/Stadia there was a question about who sets the prices of Stadia games and naturally everyone said "the publishers duh just like every other storefront" but... that is very likely not the case right? Stadia is not just like every other store front in that they're not selling you a game license, they're selling you access to their game license. It seems much more likely that Google is entirely in charge of setting the prices. My best guess is they're just doing what they usually do and letting the game publisher set the price (although they themselves could have their hand forced in other ways, like by shareholders) because no way would a dev have entertained the notion of releasing a game on Stadia otherwise.
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