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OK so lookie what I just found in a spindle of discs: This will be familiar to Aussies. Nutri-Grain was a cereal and to get the kids onboard they would include game CD-ROMs in the box. Not even a lovely demo - the FULL game.
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Aww yeah. I got Age of Empires from that. Also this : https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Noni_Fybi9c
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Humphreys posted:OK so lookie what I just found in a spindle of discs: I've only heard of nutrigrain bars.
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Humphreys posted:OK so lookie what I just found in a spindle of discs: LMAO they had same thing (or motogp or something like that) in Spain. I'm not into motos so it went into the trash bin straight away
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Humphreys posted:I remember saying to Mum "Wouldn't it look cool if we had a black tower?" She agreed, and I took that as permission to paint the family computer. She caught me. Paint, yeah, I have sinned. The cheapest dollar store red is... not exactly red. Reddish-orange, maybe. At least I'm not the guy who painted my car with it, although it was something to keep noticing this car because it looked just like my computer.
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twistedmentat posted:Why are these needed? Is this some MLG gotta squeeze every bit of power out of computer so i can come out of top of LoL matches? Or is it another buttcoin thing? Liquid nitrogen setups on the other hand are the computer nerd equivalent of those purpose-built dragster that will either explode once you step on it or run a quarter mile so fast your ears will bleed.
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I was so shocked at how cheap computer parts had become that when I went to build a new one last year I ended up with an i9 that I mostly use for playing Rocket League. I don't care, it'll be over a decade before I need to upgrade again.
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Nocheez posted:I was so shocked at how cheap computer parts had become that when I went to build a new one last year I ended up with an i9 that I mostly use for playing Rocket League. Yeah I said the same thing with an 3960x with 32 GB of RAM in 2011. Still obsolete in 4 years.
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....What society do you think you live in? Everything is going to be "obsolete" ASAP because " gotta get them buying the new things!" They keep pushing out " Oh you gotta get this new model!" but the old poo poo is still good and fine. I built this PC like 8 years ago. Spent around 800 dollars. the Sandy Bridge i5's just came out, so I spent extra buying an unlocked 3570k, and a motherboard that was good for OC. Still running stock, so I won't make that mistake again. And hell, Im running on 16GB of RAM, which would be ZERO issue if Mozzila didn't have such an incredibly memory leak that I have to force close threads of it once or twice a day as it'll bloat up to using 99% memory. The only things I've replaced has been a video card(that was a hand medown anyway) and my Western Digital Black 1TB drive actually crapped out. First WD I've ever had go bad. I still see no need to upgrade anything.
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Johnny Aztec posted:....What society do you think you live in? Everything is going to be "obsolete" ASAP because " gotta get them buying the new things!" what pisses me off the most is software bloat. We could have ultra fast phones if only they'd minimize the software to just do essential poo poo, but no, ever generation of phones means the older ones get bogged down because they have to run the flashy new apk's. Windows has pretty much gotten to the point where it runs basic software quickly across most machines, and my current CPU has remained quick enough to do everything including high end gaming for the last 8 years very well, just keep upgrading the GPU's. e: I restart my machine about once every 2 weeks, and I stopped using mozilla long ago because it slows down over time...chrome can keep tabs up indefinitely with zero issues. LifeSunDeath has a new favorite as of 17:55 on Feb 2, 2020 |
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With how cheap RAM is, corps see no profit/value in writing proper code, so it never gets optimized. I've been complaining about software bloat for laffo 15 years now. Oh god I'm a salty greybeard I'm mostly just super amazed that Mozilla STILL in YOOL 2020 still has a massive memory leak. From what I've heard, Chrome is just as bad.
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I just spent a day installing Windows 10 on two trash computers for no reason other than entertainment. I originally bought these two computers to replace the instrument cluster in my car with. Both of them were not up to the task. The first is a 7" tablet - the HP Stream 7 from 2014. I bought this thing for $60 new. It's got a Quad-core Atom Z3735F @ 1.33GHz, 1GB of ram, and a 32GB ssd. Believe it or not this thing works extremely well. Everything works. It even took version 1909 with no issues. The reason I didn't end up using this tablet as the instrument cluster is that it uses a lot of power when the screen brightness is all the way up - it'll drain it's battery slowly when plugged in. It uses a Micro-USB charger, so the plug is fairly fragile and I don't think it would have stood up to the vibration in a car. The second is a restive touchscreen convertible Netbook - an Asus T91MT from 2009. It's got a single-core (but with hyperthreading!) Atom Z520 @ 1.33GHz. This one was MAXED OUT to 2GB of ram (doesn't help at all) This thing was dog-slow when it was new with Windows 7. Pretty much never used this thing even when it was new because it was so awful with Windows. Still insanely painful. The upgrade was successful, took about 4 times as long as it did on the tablet. It's kind-of usable, seems slightly more responsive than Windows 7. There's a reason that so many netbooks came with Linux when they were first a thing. Windows was never meant for this.
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Johnny Aztec posted:With how cheap RAM is, corps see no profit/value in writing proper code, so it never gets optimized. I've been complaining about software bloat for laffo 15 years now. I've been hesitating to get everyone at work on Slack because its performance on lesser machines is terrible. A chat program...
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Some people I know have issues with chrome...I had more issues with mozilla...but I tried to hold on for as long as I could cause I liked the extensions, now I'm a total convert to chrome. What makes me laugh is how slow Gmail webmail is, you'd figure they could get something so simple right, but it takes eons to open up and send messages, and who has time for a standalone mail client anymore. I've also been livid about software bloat for for ever. Older machines running on sub 1gb of ram would choke on contemporary software, then ram got cheap and dense. But phones started coming out and they have so little ram we're right back to everything chugging. God, imagine a nice phone that ran everything with black background greyscale text and ultra simple coding for like text and the goddamn phone calls part, and email...but then you could have your web browser but it was ultra stripped down (basically the ultra battery saver mode but with web browser). I imagine you'd double battery life and speed. But no, we're not allowed to have these things.
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I had the conversation yesterday with 2 old IBMer's at work. There was so little extra RAM or CPU cycles in those early home computers that they legitimately went obsolete within a couple of years. They're sitting there talking about getting 5k transistors on a chip and now we're in the billions. One had a story from the 80's where a manager walked in with a briefcase handcuffed to his wrist and an armed guard and went down the fab line having each tech do a small amount of work on the new chip before taking it to the next person. I can't really picture how individual techs would do work on a chip like that though. Flash forward 30 years and I had to retire my Mac Mini not because it didn't do the job anymore, but because the video card couldn't keep up with my new ultra-wide monitor. But you know what can keep up with it? A $30 Raspberry Pi. In fact it can keep up with TWO at the same time.
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(counts) 26 open tabs, 10 of them on SomethingAwful. What can I say, I hate the Back button; if I load all the tabs I want to read at once, I can click from one to the other without waiting. Then there's the fic I'm reading and need to comment on, three Wikipedia pages, a comic on Git I need to scroll ack and read from the beginning. And lots of Stuff.
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Feb 2, 2020 18:37
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Eroom's law: software gets slower at the same rate hardware gets faster
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Tunicate posted:Eroom's law: software gets slower at the same rate hardware gets faster What Groves giveth Gates taketh away.
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Tunicate posted:Eroom's law: software gets slower at the same rate hardware gets faster I think its all because coding etiquette and overall level decreases over time. It's easier to throw a 150mb library in than to properly and elegantly code in a function you need.
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azurite posted:What the gently caress are you guys doing to your poor browsers? My firefox was up to 10GB of RAM last night. I watch a lot of videos and I think it just forgets to remove them from memory or something. Chrome isn't much better. I usually wait until one of them pisses me off enough that I switch, and then eventually switch back. I'm eagerly awaiting a browser made for the tab hoarder.
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AntherUslessPoster posted:I think its all because coding etiquette and overall level decreases over time. It's easier to throw a 150mb library in than to properly and elegantly code in a function you need. The truth is that people have gotten more and more expensive, while hardware has gotten ridiculously cheap. It only makes business sense to throw an extra server in the rack, rather than hiring the very expensive person who knows how to carve your bloatware down to a reasonable codebase PLUS migrating the entire existing codebase to the new, optimized setup. Assuming you are the very expensive programmer, persuading your management that slowing everybody else in the company down in order to fix the accumulated cruft in the code is a very, very hard sell. This isn't about etiquette. It's about what's cheap to fix, and what's very very expensive to fix. (I still remember that The Mythical Man-Month recommends writing two versions of every library, one that is memory efficient and one that was CPU efficient.)
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Remulak posted:What Groves giveth Gates taketh away. load bearing clock cycles
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Games seem to be moving towards using 4 cores as a baseline for the minimum specs so, as always, time marches on. God know what fun we're in as RayTracing matures. Weatherman posted:load bearing clock cycles
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I’m finally getting around to playing Far Cry 3 and the only way it will run well on my computer is if I go into task manager and tell it to only use 2 cores. It runs at 40FPS if I leave all 8 available to it. If I lock it to only 2 cores it plays at 100+ FPS.
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Cojawfee posted:My firefox was up to 10GB of RAM last night. I watch a lot of videos and I think it just forgets to remove them from memory or something. Chrome isn't much better. I usually wait until one of them pisses me off enough that I switch, and then eventually switch back. I'm eagerly awaiting a browser made for the tab hoarder. My favorite Chrome head shake was that it installed a new instance every time it updated on my Mac. I was trying to spring clean my hard drive and I had 11gb in Chrome folder. I found so many versions of Chrome in there. "Oh, new version, let's just install that in it's own folder and migrate all the browsing data!" Now do that about 2 dozen times.
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GutBomb posted:I’m finally getting around to playing Far Cry 3 and the only way it will run well on my computer is if I go into task manager and tell it to only use 2 cores. It runs at 40FPS if I leave all 8 available to it. If I lock it to only 2 cores it plays at 100+ FPS. A lot of processes required to run these games can operate independently from one another and just exchange data as needed. Examples are the overhead for the graphics engine, the physics engine, file operations. While the GPU handles most of the graphics, there are some advantages to splitting complex scenes up at the CPU core level and assigning the graphics work in smaller chunks to the GPU. But as you found out, this can also go badly wrong. If you have a bunch of cores available anyways, why not assign one (well, a half) core to each process? As others said, you could spend programmer time optimizing a single-core operation of the whole mess. (Let alone, test more hardware combinations for the multi-core code AND optimize that!) But money is time, and cores are cheap. TotalLossBrain has a new favorite as of 20:11 on Feb 2, 2020 |
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Nah, coding etiquette and level has always been pretty bad. We (well, my friends) were bitching about the sloppy coding on personal computers, because the code written for our college mainframe was so much tighter and optimized. We have been bitching about other people's code not being tight enough since, in my own experience, the 1980s. Everything boils down to profits yet again. Sad sad world we live in 
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AntherUslessPoster posted:Everything boils down to profits yet again. Sad sad world we live in Or we can grab a hundred new processors from the collective next door, because they're fabbing a hundred thousand [insert your favorite imaginary number] a day. Less human time is consumed by the alternative solution, which means everybody in my collective can go outside and watch the clouds for a bit.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:But let's assume we are in a genuine anarchy, no money changing hands, people giving what they don't need and taking what they do. Anarchist me, who is programming just because I love it, is still trying to decide between slamming the codebase of my collective into a brick wall, dead stop, in order to refactor out dead code. Everybody else in my collective has to stall until I'm done, or to spend months downstream stalling in order to integrate my changes, because the codebase is just that bad. But if you love programming, would you not find a way to implement a good written code somehow, just because you love what you do and do it with full commitment and dedication? I dunno, maybe it's just me.
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AntherUslessPoster posted:But if you love programming, would you not find a way to implement a good written code somehow, just because you love what you do and do it with full commitment and dedication?
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Jasper Tin Neck posted:Computer benchmarks are much like drag racing. The compressor thing is like fitting a stock car with ridiculously big superchargers. Ah so it is just about cool engineering than anything. Buttcoin has poisoned my mind whenever someone is doing crazy mods on their computer, i figure they're going nuts for stuff like that. azurite posted:What the gently caress are you guys doing to your poor browsers? Hey do you know how much power it takes to have that man chaturbate cams open? I mean,uh, all those recipes open, yea that's it. Joking aside that's interesting to know that pretty much all browsers are badly designed. Though it's not surprising most companies will just pay for another rack than fix issues with software. It explains why every company i've worked for that has its on internal systems are always terrible and most are still using stuff that uses dos like interfaces rather than GUIs. This could go in the early 2000s thread but there was a time where it was almost impossible to find cases with side windows and case lights up the wazoo. I admit the blue steel one i had was really cool looking at it was a steal at 40bux. It must have been an alienware case because it had alien heads on all the fan ports. Though the case lights went out one by one. My current case has just 2 and no window. I bought a 970 when i bought this, and its served me well but RDR2 cannot run in ultramode on it so I am thinking of getting a new card this year.
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AntherUslessPoster posted:But if you love programming, would you not find a way to implement a good written code somehow, just because you love what you do and do it with full commitment and dedication? Sometimes doing things the neat way is just too drat expensive. In my line of work, we recently faced the choice of demolishing and rebuilding half a bridge or relocating a bunch of fiber optic cables that serve an office district. Rebuilding half a bridge was cheaper. Edit: where'd the quote go? Oh well, never mind.
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Wasabi the J posted:Yeah I said the same thing with an 3960x with 32 GB of RAM in 2011. That's a Core i7-3960x? How was that machine obsolete in 2015, what could it no longer do? I'm using an i7-4770 which is admittedly the next generation but mostly I just want to increase the RAM up to 32GB from 16GB to deal with my massive number of Firefox tabs  Admittedly I'm not trying to play any recent games on here, just sometimes run some older games and/or some virtual machines.
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I was running an i7-920 for a decade, only replaced it 14 months ago. Obsolete my rear end. It was still running games at acceptable framerates so I had no reason to upgrade until I got more heavily into video editing. If you're not playing some keeping up with the Jones' game with streamers or something, solid hardware will last a very, very long time.
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Jasper Tin Neck posted:Sometimes doing things the neat way is just too drat expensive. In my line of work, we recently faced the choice of demolishing and rebuilding half a bridge or relocating a bunch of fiber optic cables that serve an office district. This is why software is so expensive for things like missiles, planes, space craft when done right but it still manages to get hosed up.
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Consoles will do a great job keeping PC games targeting running on lovely hardware, no worries goons.
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Krispy Wafer posted:My favorite Chrome head shake was that it installed a new instance every time it updated on my Mac. I was trying to spring clean my hard drive and I had 11gb in Chrome folder. I found so many versions of Chrome in there. "Oh, new version, let's just install that in it's own folder and migrate all the browsing data!" Now do that about 2 dozen times. PYF Weird Browser Behavior I still would love to know why Firefox, on Ubuntu 18.04/Gnome, pegs all my cores and eats all available RAM when I install a font.
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Plinkey posted:This is why software is so expensive for things like missiles, planes, space craft when done right but it still manages to get hosed up. Eh, It would still be expensive, but considering the amount of graft, bloat, kick backs and pork barrel there is, it's all inflated several times what it should/could be.
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SneezeOfTheDecade posted:PYF Weird Browser Behavior proper kerning takes extreme calculations
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