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xiw I think you're a bit over enamoured with your theory. you're operating under the assumption I was given the vig and it looks like you're trying to make everything fit back to that theory. do you not believe my role claim? because my night action is one that can be verified. my theory came from your post and then me thinking about my n1 target action in light of that. maybe he didn't try to give me the vig, but if so who did he try give it to? who did he give night 2 vig to? both scum? we've not heard anything about either of the vig he gave out, hence my theory that maybe he got it back and died and didn't give out a second vig. if I really received the vig and used it, why would I have posted my theory and outted my n1 target as cpig as opposed to idk just shutting up about it?
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Hal Incandenza posted:Actually that would seem to sort of indicate he did have a nightkill because he would have been able to shoot whoever responded that night this is actually another good point for why he was trying to find his target nation. he could have resolved it himself with his vig.
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Let's say that CapitalistPig got his own vig returned to him by hambeet's ability. He tries to out his upgrade target, but that goes nowhere, so he has to come up with someone. Unless there were four or more kills in play, or the magic of Role Madness caused him to target himself twice in a row, he would have had to go after either Mr. Steak or one of his charges...CapitalistPig posted:I would vig lumpen and hand my friend hambeet the vig This theory is convoluted, and I think the "Allies got the first vig" scenario is more likely. But it all fits.
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I believe hambeet's claim and it fits the evidence. I think CPig got his own Vig back N1, then went fishing for his upgrade, then tried to kill me N2. Xiw's initial case seemed like a stretch to me but probably sincere, and now he seems tunneled. Binus' vote looks highly opportunistic to me.
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Leith Maclaine posted:Making sure this is the right thread this time.
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I'm sorry I have re-discovered why I don't like playing in two games at the same time.
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Pig getting his vig back seems like a big stretch, not sure how I feel about how readily everyone is running with it
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hambeet posted:xiw I think you're a bit over enamoured with your theory. you're operating under the assumption I was given the vig and it looks like you're trying to make everything fit back to that theory. because this theory clears you and if you just shut up then the evidence points at you? am i missing something? Why did you target cpig n1 and steak n2? I just can't believe cpig targetting you specifically, getting an action bounced back, and then not saying a word about the target fuckery going on.
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Messed up the quote tags, attempt #2: hambeet posted:xiw I think you're a bit over enamoured with your theory. you're operating under the assumption I was given the vig and it looks like you're trying to make everything fit back to that theory. I didn't start off thinking 'maybe hambeet was given the vig', i was looking for clues in cpig's posts for that, and I found what look pretty clear evidence that it was you. Then everything else I looked at provided evidence in that direction. fwiw i didn't really have any particular scummy views about you until then (more worried about lumpen and Hum) Your role claim might be true and provable but you could easily have done the N1 nightkill instead of using a power - given the setup, your scum partners might have had more important roles to use. quote:if I really received the vig and used it, why would I have posted my theory and outted my n1 target as cpig as opposed to idk just shutting up about it? because this theory clears you and if you just shut up then the evidence points at you? am i missing something? Why did you target cpig n1 and steak n2? I just can't believe cpig targetting you specifically, getting an action bounced back, and then not saying a word about the target fuckery going on.
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xiw posted:because this theory clears you and if you just shut up then the evidence points at you? am i missing something? What evidence? A couple of posts by cpig? Is that your evidence I got the vig? Your initial theory had me announcing the gambit because I was worrying about some obscure communication or masonry before any was even announced. so you dropped it when I pointed that out, yet stuck with your original theory based on even less information? you then also stuffed up twice in saying I visited humalong, and that I had not claimed and active ability. These mistakes look like you're in a rush to validate your theory, not trying to find out the truth. quote:Why did you target cpig n1 and steak n2? cpig because i had no idea of his alignment. if I was targeted with anything other than a night kill it'd bounce off to him and I'd learn more about both cpig AND whoever tried to use the action on me later when people started claiming actions. (I think that's the best way to use my role, personally, to be able to try validate two people.) steak i targeted because I didn't believe he was town, as per my earlier casing, and I didn't want him using a power on me. so i redirected it back to him and not anyone else (because I didn't know what he was going to do). quote:I just can't believe cpig targetting you specifically, getting an action bounced back, and then not saying a word about the target fuckery going on. I'm not saying my theory is fact though, where you seem to be pretty sure yours is. You're only reading into your interpretations of cpigs posts, but ignoring what charms and hal have pointed out too. That's cherry picking. To spell it out again, cpig lied to find out who Byzantium was. That's a fact because we can see his powers. You even already said that yourself: xiw posted:*snip* So what was his next step going to be? He couldn't have then tried to lead a lunch on me because that would be a bit too obvious. if he had the vig, like I'm suggesting he may have, that explains his reason for lying.
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Beet has been at -4 (2 votes) all day. I would think that if he were town then some of the scum would have voted him by now. That hasn’t happened
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b-minus1 posted:Beet has been at -4 (2 votes) all day. I would think that if he were town then some of the scum would have voted him by now. That hasn’t happened Hmmmmmm
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b-minus1 posted:Beet has been at -4 (2 votes) all day. I would think that if he were town then some of the scum would have voted him by now. That hasn’t happened you already did though. seriously b-minus, you've been calling me scum for half the game now without placing a single vote on me nor making one proper case against me. that's scummy. yet as soon as someone hastily slaps a case together you've jumped on it, without adding anything to it and finally voted me. you're hiding behind xiws case to vote me and a that's scummy play. b-minus1 posted:Nice catch. I think we got a live one. ##vote beet you had promised to do some case work yesterday and when you finally did you cased your second scummiest pick, not your first (me), and all it amounted to was humalong's "scum slip". b-minus1 posted:I will try to get some casework done over the next day. Deadline isn’t until tomorrow night thankfully. b-minus1 posted:Cpig quoted some leith posts: b-minus1 posted:sure why not, i'll ##vote humalong b-minus1 posted:maybe this post got AA killed b-minus1 posted:Humalong is absolutely scum b-minus1 posted:I’m 99% sure that humalong scumslipped when I called you out on that case you just deferred it back to me to ask my opinion of humalong. hambeet posted:so i guess this is the extent of the "case" work so far? b-minus1 posted:I don’t see why thst matters. I’m attempting to get back in the game and saw some humalong posts that made me I then respond exactly why it matters, and you ignore it. hambeet posted:oh and it matters because this is mafia and words and intent are part of the game. it's like you've been coasting by all game on your role in the 2penny lynch, not looking really interested in scum hunting since then. that's definitely not pro-town. that's scummy. and now you're trying to find reasons to keep painting me as scum, while still having no case of your own on me. ##vote b-minus
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I'd have responded with "you mad" or "shook" personally.
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I have been coasting since d1, I won’t deny that
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Hambeet's responses feel very 'oh poo poo caught .... wait town isn't leaping in on this, let's try and save myself' to me. The claim meshing perfectly to clear you when you'd carefully avoided a single mention of your abilities before then feels so fake. (also this is my very first straight catch of a scum from first principles in mafia so i'm pretty psyched yes) Also also. You spent 30 minutes thinking about your fakeclaim here: Feb 3, 2020 13:16 xiw: cpig gave hambeet a vig N1 who used it to kill, also some byzantium stuff Feb 3, 2020 13:23 hambeet: i'm byzantium Feb 3, 2020 15:54 hambeet: oh wait I redirected myself to cpig, maybe he gave himself a vig imagine being hambeet here thinking about the gamestate and knowing that you're a redirector and that you'd redirected cpig night 1. is your first thought 'i'm byzantium' instead this looks so much more like 'uh i can explain the byzantium bit' and then thinking up an excuse in that followup half an hour.
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I missed these posts. Mr. Humalong posted:sure are a lot of watchers in this game hambeet posted:are you claiming too here? unless I missed it Humalong never answers beet. Has humalong claimed anything?
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xiw posted:Hambeet's responses feel very 'oh poo poo caught .... wait town isn't leaping in on this, let's try and save myself' to me. The claim meshing perfectly to clear you when you'd carefully avoided a single mention of your abilities before then feels so fake. lol because I'm at work, not because I'm busy making up fake claims. now you're really stretching. I answered I'm Byzantium because your whole case seemed predicated on the idea of my "nice gambit post', not that you were wedded to this idea of me getting the vig. so then i start typing my claim post, commented on a couple of other posts in the mean while and then thinking back to what steak said came up with the theory "hey what if cpig did try give me the vig." Xiw me not agreeing with your theory doesn't mean I'm lying, it could also mean you're just wrong.
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xiw posted:
also it’s good you’ve admitted this because now at least we all know you’re not going to shake from you’re entrenched position that I must be scum, regardless of what arguments have or will be presented.
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b-minus1 posted:I have been coasting since d1, I won’t deny that you’ve actually not denied anything else in my post either.
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b-minus1 posted:I missed these posts. no just his targets, and that it was a good thing he tried on me (when he was jailed).
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xiw, where’s the other vig? the one cpig should have given out night 2 as his only night action. no one claimed getting the night 1 or night 2 vig, or using them. so did he give them both to scum? alao, if cpig gave out a vig and saw that no one in thread commented on receiving one, don’t you think he’d pick up on that too and flag with everyone “hey I gave beet a vig and he didn’t mention it”. Yet he didn’t. He just tried to find his upgrade target instead.
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My 4 town; Me, Lumpen, Hal, Charms Vote tracking is off kilter since the modkill on ETR.
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Leith Maclaine posted:My 4 town; Correction because I confused Amni  Vote counting is off kilter since the modkill on ETR.
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SalTheBard posted:##vote 2 penny Hey Sal, Why did you drop the hammer on 2 penny saying you wish this was Lumpen but not giving a justification for why you voted 2 penny? The only complaint you had about Lumpen was that he did Content Game which really isn't enough to generate angst on D1.
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Votecount for Day 4  hambeet (2): xiw, b-minus1 b-minus1 (1): hambeet xiw (1): SalTheBard SalTheBard (0): Lumpen, Not Voting (6): charms, Hal Incandenza, Leith Maclaine, Lumpen, Mr. Humalong, Retro FuturistWith 10 alive, it's 6 votes to execute. The current deadline is February 04th, 2020 at 8 p.m. CST -- that's in about 23 hours, 7 minutes. The current day's mod post count is: 2
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Leith Maclaine posted:Hey Sal, I think I've made my feelings on Lumpen pretty clear. I also said I thought 2 Penny was scum. SalTheBard posted:Lumpen - Generating "content" but really its just white noise
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xiw posted:The other half of this, and the damning half for me, is that the new claim suddenly meshes with a flipped Cpig vig-provider. xiw i note that you also tried to shoe-horn the vig thing in on steak's claim too, as being too convenient after c-pig's flip. you seem to be a little bit fascinated by cpig's vigs.
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hambeet posted:xiw i note that you also tried to shoe-horn the vig thing in on steak's claim too, as being too convenient after c-pig's flip. Don't forget he was jailed and there was no kill! GUILTY! oh wait...
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4 town people (not including me, that is dumb) charms, and uhhh... probably Sal at this point, less strong town feels from Lumpen and Leith b- is giving me scummy vibes, 2penny vote not withstanding. I think beet hasn't looked great today. Oh an RF, that guy is scummy! In fact let me ##vote RF
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Day 4 LumpenList
I think hambeet is Town and I don't like the push on him. Xiw and b-minus1 could be collaborating, but Xiw's case seems sincere but mistaken, and I suspect b-minus1 is pushing an opportunistic bandwagon on it while Sal and Humalong quietly hang back. I really doubt that there is a Lightning Rod or a Nexus or a Gravedigger, I think it's much more likely Sal is a lying Secret Alliance and used his MegaJail last night. I don't know why he would posture with a vote on Xiw, and I don't see the angle in even using the MegaJail as Secret Alliance, but I think if there was a Town who was responsible they would claim it. I would think that Sal would openly claim it as Secret Alliance for Townie cred, but I guess that's WIFOM. ##vote Sal
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I can see voting Sal, RF, or B- B- was the initial 2 penny vote and I can see that as scum not being able to back away from it cleanly and leaving it there. Sal was the final vote without much of a justification. I think it was a scum distancing. RF, didn't vote for Penny and did not for the other town nk. I'm not sure I can make a case on anyone else.
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Lumpen posted:##vote Sal You confuse the gently caress out of me.
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fine, gently caress it, vote for me. Hope town loving loses.
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Lumpen posted:Why would Secret Alliance Sal pop the Superjail and then pretend not to have done it? I don't see the angle. I can't see any possible reason Town Sal would do it and then lie about it either though. And he would be busted as a liar if there's no Jail in future days. Lumpen, what happened to this post? How did it go from this to your current vote?
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Leith Maclaine posted:Sal was the final vote without much of a justification. I think it was a scum distancing. I voted for 2 Penny the same reason that pretty much everyone else voted for 2 Penny, which was his scummy posts. I can't decide, who in this moment, is scummier, you or Lumpen.
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