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TheHan posted:Sora being so committed to not fighting that she won’t even join in when her friends are being pummeled by her mind controlled other friends is one of the worst character decisions I think I’ve ever read.  Oh lord, what did they do to my girl Mimi? Do I even want to know?
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Blockhouse posted:If you're asking "surely they couldn't make a movie that focuses entirely on Taichi and Yamato to the exclusion of every other character could they?" I think you need to look deep inside yourself and find you already know the answer to that Have we hit the moment where Adventure becomes Frontier, only much more exploited?
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I haven 't paid too much attention to this movie too closely, because I have a very bad tendency to spoil myself on everything. But it seems like this movie has something of a "put down the ducky" message that people feel is an indirect "this franchise isn't for you older folks anymore, go on and leave it alone already" complete with the suggestion of how honorable it is to take on the corporate drudgery of adult Japanese society. I want to not believe it, though. I want to believe the studio that makes Dragon Ball didn't look at that and go, "hm, yeah, seems good."
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Craptacular! posted:I haven 't paid too much attention to this movie too closely, because I have a very bad tendency to spoil myself on everything. But it seems like this movie has something of a "put down the ducky" message that people feel is an indirect "this franchise isn't for you older folks anymore, go on and leave it alone already" complete with the suggestion of how honorable it is to take on the corporate drudgery of adult Japanese society. It also feels incredibly wrong coming from a franchise that's aimed so heavily at their adult demographic lately, with the games and even all of this Adventure sequel stuff being made for us first and foremost. Thus, I don't think that's the message they wanted to give here...sadly, it absolutely feels like that's the message the movie gives, even if accidentally, which is really, really bad.
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Blockhouse posted:If you're asking "surely they couldn't make a movie that focuses entirely on Taichi and Yamato to the exclusion of every other character could they?" I think you need to look deep inside yourself and find you already know the answer to that Where is Gomamon. WHERE IS GOMAMON. Craptacular! posted:I haven 't paid too much attention to this movie too closely, because I have a very bad tendency to spoil myself on everything. But it seems like this movie has something of a "put down the ducky" message that people feel is an indirect "this franchise isn't for you older folks anymore, go on and leave it alone already" complete with the suggestion of how honorable it is to take on the corporate drudgery of adult Japanese society. I can see some merit in the message of “You can’t keep doing the same thing forever, and as you grow and change so will your interests and maybe even your friends”. Using anti-nostalgia themes in a nostalgia driven series would be super interesting and I think would’ve made for a great Digimon movie. These spoilers make it sound like a terrible retread of a bunch of Digimon things specifically for nostalgia’s sake. Maybe the viewer’s bias has tinted the way their relaying these plot points, but I’d be surprised if the guys who did Tri are suddenly good at story.
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TheHan posted:Where is Gomamon. The spoilers mention Ikkakumon at one point, which is interesting since Jou is a year older than everyone else and still somehow partners despite the undefeatable doom clock. quote:I can see some merit in the message of “You can’t keep doing the same thing forever, and as you grow and change so will your interests and maybe even your friends”. Using anti-nostalgia themes in a nostalgia driven series would be super interesting and I think would’ve made for a great Digimon movie. I was tentatively on board with Last Evolution purely because the trailer and framing made it sound like a refutation of the most tediously dire dross of Tri. I was hoping we'd get a movie where the cast rejected the fatalism of destiny, remained with their partners, and resolved to change and do things their own way. Considering much of the worst of Tri was the cast having their chains yanked around by authority figures a rejection of that sort of thing would be a good way to wipe the taste of Tri out of everyone's mouth AND do right in a nostalgia franchise. Why the gently caress can't we get a Tri movie that just says "We can't do the same thing forever, we can't stay the same forever, but that's fine because we also won't let people tell us how live forever. Let's do it our way, the right way." Is that really REALLY so hard? Of course the 02 ending is apparently still canon and this movie is pretty incompatible with that, so who's ready for another movie in like 4 years? 
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I'm genuinely confused about what they thought they were going to accomplish with this script.
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I glanced at the spoilers and saw Agumon finding Taichi's porn stash, and Taichi reprimanding him because porn's for adults. If i close my eyes and plug my ears about the rest then this movie is good. gently caress, i read the whole thing. Very brave of Toei to go "people don't like the 02 ending... if we keep making worse ones, they'll eventually love it!" MorningMoon fucked around with this message at 18:54 on Feb 3, 2020 |
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You know, maybe I am ready for that new Digimon Adventure reboot
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Burkion posted:You know, maybe I am ready for that new Digimon Adventure reboot Toei's insidious plan is revealed in its true, incredibly stupid glory!
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Burkion posted:You know, maybe I am ready for that new Digimon Adventure reboot 
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Happy page 151 guys!
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Moriatti posted:Happy page 151 guys! 
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TheHan posted:I can see some merit in the message of “You can’t keep doing the same thing forever, and as you grow and change so will your interests and maybe even your friends”. Using anti-nostalgia themes in a nostalgia driven series would be super interesting and I think would’ve made for a great Digimon movie. It just seems incredibly tone-deaf for the company that has been producing Dragon Ball and Sailor Moon in perpetuity (and, in it's sister company, Super Sentai and Kamen Rider) to do that. Like pre-expansionist Disney, e.g. the "Uncle Walt" portion of the company, Toei's core product is nostalgia. Obviously they produce other things too, just as not every Disney movie is a Snow White retread; but doing an "end of an age" story with a reboot straight on it's heels is very weird unless they're planning on making big changes they think people won't be happy with to the reboot.
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There's only one series that actually nailed that "it's okay that things don't go on forever" whatsit, and it's the end of DBZ Abridged.
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PMush Perfect posted:There's only one series that actually nailed that "it's okay that things don't go on forever" whatsit, and it's the end of DBZ Abridged. Justified did a pretty good job at it
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If they really want to add an end of an era storyline, wouldn’t have made more sense to just pass the torch in-story to new characters? Constantly dragging back the original series crew for nostalgia pandering and even rebooting them again for the new series shoots that whole message in the foot.
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Geostomp posted:If they really want to add an end of an era storyline, wouldn’t have made more sense to just pass the torch in-story to new characters? Constantly dragging back the original series crew for nostalgia pandering and even rebooting them again for the new series shoots that whole message in the foot. Because that worked out sooooo well when it was called Digimon Adventure 02  Also they're following Pokemon's lead. Ash has been 10 years old for so long they looped around and remade the first four episodes of the anime as a movie and replaced Brock and Misty with brand new characters. Everything old is allegedly new again.
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Craptacular! posted:It just seems incredibly tone-deaf for the company that has been producing Dragon Ball and Sailor Moon in perpetuity (and, in it's sister company, Super Sentai and Kamen Rider) to do that. This is true, but in the middle of this capitalism tailspin where most of our media comes from a handful of corporations, I'm willing to take an anti-nostalgia message in a vacuum. With the spoilers and the reboot announcement, it sounds like a growing up theme was never intended. It doesn't sound like, there's any theme at all. Growing up is just an obstacle to the fun Digimon Adventure that'll have no effect on future Digimon Adventures. I keep thinking "Well a choppy synopsis can't really do justice to the execution" but the dialogue would have to be doing a lotta heavy lifting.
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nine-gear crow posted:Also they're following Pokemon's lead. Ash has been 10 years old for so long they looped around and remade the first four episodes of the anime as a movie and replaced Brock and Misty with brand new characters. Everything old is allegedly new again.
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nine-gear crow posted:Because that worked out sooooo well when it was called Digimon Adventure 02 I mean it worked really well for Tamers. And Data Savers. And the first Xros Wars.
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I just don't understand the logic to this whole mess. Let's end on a cliff hanger, when we know that it won't go this way, because they REFUSE to change 02's Epilogue. The most exciting thing about Tri was them maybe changing the continuity, but they doubled down instead, and that hurts this movie even more. Here's an idea for a real follow up to Adventure- set it post Adventure. Post 02 Epilogue. Set it in a world where everyone has a Digimon partner. Show criminals with Digimon. Show detectives with Digimon. Go into the politics Do humans and Digimon intermarry? How often do Digimon and their supposed partners go separate ways? What about a Digimon that out lives its human? You could do so much with this setting. It's completely unique and ripe for exploration, especially in the Adventure universe where the Digimon really are basically just as mature as humans are, depending on their 'age'.
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Burkion posted:If I'm not mistaken, and I could be, the original gang would still be revered across the planet because they flat out have the most powerful Digimon around. Space Gabumon. Gatomon as the world's greatest classroom pet. Armadillomon, attorney at law.
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Funky Valentine posted:Go into Yolei and Ken's marriage because holy poo poo I want to see that trainwreck. Nah I could see them working out. Ken seems the kind of guy that needs a strong push now and then in the right direction and Yolei's got that in spades.
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Burkion posted:If I'm not mistaken, and I could be, the original gang would still be revered across the planet because they flat out have the most powerful Digimon around. I've definitely seen that drawn before, will have to try and find it
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TheHan posted:This is true, but in the middle of this capitalism tailspin where most of our media comes from a handful of corporations, I'm willing to take an anti-nostalgia message in a vacuum. With the spoilers and the reboot announcement, it sounds like a growing up theme was never intended. It doesn't sound like, there's any theme at all. Growing up is just an obstacle to the fun Digimon Adventure that'll have no effect on future Digimon Adventures. If the synopsis is accurate I don't think the best dialogue in history could save Last Evolution. As for growing up as a theme, I 100% believe that's the intent from a number of scenes in Tri that went "Hey, the theme of the series is about the difficulties of growing up, are you getting that?", and also if the spoilers are accurate the villain's plan in Last Evolution is essentially making time capsule Never Never Lands, but looping back to point 1, having a theme doesn't stop you from being poo poo. Burkion posted:You could do so much with this setting. It's completely unique and ripe for exploration, especially in the Adventure universe where the Digimon really are basically just as mature as humans are, depending on their 'age'. Also this. From minute one Tri annoyed me because 02 left this massive setting with a wealth of untapped, unexplored material, and your first foot forward returning to the well after 15 years was basically reheated Digimon Tamers except starring the Adventure cast at their lowest point. I'm glad we all agree Digimon Tamers was a good series, but why didn't you have a Digimon Adventure in your sequel to Digimon Adventure? Out of all the stories you could tell with this beloved property it's this one?
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loving steal the plot to boruto. Tai's kid feels lonely since his dad is a burocrat with no free time, then someone uses the kid's insecurities to try and get some shady poo poo legalized for profit. Eventuslly Tai and Wargreymon flex on some fools.
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MorningMoon posted:loving steal the plot to boruto. Tai's kid feels lonely since his dad is a burocrat with no free time, then someone uses the kid's insecurities to try and get some shady poo poo legalized for profit. Eventuslly Tai and Wargreymon flex on some fools. Include a visit to reborn Myotismon, who is now the Coolest Guy and helps out while still doing Myotismon thing.
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Funky Valentine posted:Include a visit to reborn Myotismon, who is now the Coolest Guy and helps out while still doing Myotismon thing. He's finally settled down and married to some office lady who makes all the money and offers him some fresh blood from time to time. I want to see Ogremon work the stock market.
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Burkion posted:He's finally settled down and married to some office lady who makes all the money and offers him some fresh blood from time to time. Leomon’s an insurance salesman because he knows tragedy can strike at any time
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Clicking on this thread and finding out the new movie is terrible is not something I wanted to do  Well, I enjoyed the character drama and slice of life stuff in Tri, so hopefully it won’t be too bad for me... I’m not clicking the spoilers, but is there any follow up to the Dark Gennai stuff from Tri? I’m assuming not but they were already working on this film when they were doing the last half of it, so yknow, I figure there was a tiny chance...
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TheHan posted:This is true, but in the middle of this capitalism tailspin where most of our media comes from a handful of corporations, I'm willing to take an anti-nostalgia message in a vacuum. Problem is, in this context, growing up means “putting away your favorite things to make yourself a better worker.” This isn’t an anti-capitalist message, they’re looking at quitting their fun adventures to become office people.
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Hitlersaurus Christ posted:I’m not clicking the spoilers, but is there any follow up to the Dark Gennai stuff from Tri? I’m assuming not but they were already working on this film when they were doing the last half of it, so yknow, I figure there was a tiny chance... From the spoilers, the answer is a clear no. In fact, the only thing from Tri that appears is Meiko and even there she's a background prop with no importance, clearly there only to remind us that Tri happened like the 02 children being mentioned in Tri.
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Blaze Dragon posted:From the spoilers, the answer is a clear no. In fact, the only thing from Tri that appears is Meiko and even there she's a background prop with no importance, clearly there only to remind us that Tri happened like the 02 children being mentioned in Tri. Figured they wouldn’t even do that much to be honest. So like... what was even the point of the Tri (sorta)cliffhanger with him then? Everything about this stuff is baffling
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Hitlersaurus Christ posted:Figured they wouldn’t even do that much to be honest. So like... what was even the point of the Tri (sorta)cliffhanger with him then? Everything about this stuff is baffling I'm speculating here, but what I think happened was... -Tri comes out, with the idea of it being only six movies. -Turns out people really liked the first couple of movies! No reason not to add more to it, right? Scripts are now hastily rewritten to extend them as long as possible so as to milk the franchise more. The concept of Last Evolution comes up now. -That goes badly. Tri loses quality and now people are mad at the series. No one wants to see more of Tri, but Last Evolution is in the pipeline already, they can't go back on it. -Last Evolution is properly announced. They take what they learned from Tri - namely, that people wanted the 02 children to exist in spite of Adventure being the focus, and that no one liked Tri. Thus, the new movie has no real connection to Tri beyond a cameo, with even the artstyle going back to what it was originally. No one will care about the dropped plot threads, just like no one cared about how bizarre the 02 treatment was in Tri, right? -Turns out this also sucked, lol. Also the new MetalGarurumon toy shows that it can apparently use its wings as swords, that's not something that anything else ever showed before but it's cool. https://twitter.com/HobbySite/status/1224496661516304385
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Craptacular! posted:Problem is, in this context, growing up means “putting away your favorite things to make yourself a better worker.” This isn’t an anti-capitalist message, they’re looking at quitting their fun adventures to become office people. Yeah, when we had no info on how things would shake out I assumed they wouldn’t literally take the “Digimon are for children” route, and real adults get real jobs and have kids. The Digimon physically change and get better as their partners grow emotionally, but now the Digimon are a sign of immaturity and they have to go for you to grow up. It’d would’ve been a pretty easy spin to the other message though, Omnimon the ultimate fusion of Digimon and nostalgia, is filleted. So in order to win against the villain who has the same motivation, Tai and Matt pull off a whole new digivolution. Day is saved, clocked is stopped, Agumon and Gabumon get slightly redesigned for symbolism and to sell new toys without making new molds. that wouldn’t make up for all the other bad parts but it would’ve been something.
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