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You can tell I'm a star wars fan because I A) Hate star wars B) post star wars fan fiction
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# ? Feb 6, 2020 00:20 |
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# ? Apr 28, 2024 22:27 |
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McCloud posted:You can tell I'm a star wars fan because I You also have to design a starship and post a render of it.
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# ? Feb 6, 2020 00:35 |
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the idea that ballance is some kind of midpoint between light and dark, is the loving stupidest thing
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# ? Feb 6, 2020 09:57 |
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Elfgames posted:the idea that ballance is some kind of midpoint between light and dark, is the loving stupidest thing You put some points in dark for force choke and some in light for healing and better dialogue options, win-win
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# ? Feb 6, 2020 10:27 |
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Elfgames posted:the idea that ballance is some kind of midpoint between light and dark, is the loving stupidest thing Well given that there is no light side of the force, you're right.
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# ? Feb 6, 2020 12:39 |
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The arms dealer plot always bothered me; it never struck me as a good idea or good theme. And after giving it some thought I think I know why: It's just another episode of RJ Doesn't Understand The Source Material. The Empire and the First Order are explicitly fascist enterprises. Industrialists and arms manufacturers did not play both sides; some embraced fascism to increase their power and wealth, eventually destroying their rivals who did not. And eventually the power of fascists increased to the point of dictating terms to industrialists. The only famous example of someone playing both sides in ww2 is Switzerland, and even that was more plausible deniability to help Nazis hide their loot. Even the foreign rich families, most notably the Bush family, who were profiting from fascism in Germany took up arms against them once military action started.
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# ? Feb 6, 2020 14:11 |
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Think more like the war on drugs . The fascist regime is funding the rebels in the same way the CIA funded guerillas in South America. They fan the flames of rebellion while targeting any dissident or public figure who comes out in support of them. It’s how they flush out both Leia and Luke.
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# ? Feb 6, 2020 19:18 |
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:The arms dealer plot always bothered me; it never struck me as a good idea or good theme. And after giving it some thought I think I know why: It's just another episode of RJ Doesn't Understand The Source Material. There are a few details that you're missing here: 1) When DJ displays the invoices in the luxury ship, showing sales of both X-WIngs and TIEs, those invoices are from before the First Order actually gained control of the Galaxy by blowing up Coruscant. At the time those sales were made, the First Order was still just a political party within the Republic. 2) The First Order is not explicitly fascist; it's generically super-totalitarian and coded as akin to Stalinism. Although there are Imperialist elements within the First Order, Snoke considers them useful idiots and ensures that they never hold any real power. Based on those two points: the rich Republicans in the casino are, at the time of TLJ, enemies of the First Order (though they are seemingly oblivious to this fact). They've made their money and believe themselves invincible, but the ground is crumbling around them. When DJ says not to join the endless Star War, he clearly allies himself with the First Order against the Republic/Empire.
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# ? Feb 6, 2020 20:23 |
TheDeadlyShoe posted:The arms dealer plot always bothered me; it never struck me as a good idea or good theme. And after giving it some thought I think I know why: It's just another episode of RJ Doesn't Understand The Source Material. Spain, too. It’s amazing how that country managed to avoid WW2.
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# ? Feb 6, 2020 21:16 |
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socialsecurity posted:It'd help is they would show a single dark side user that was not a genocidal maniac. I mean who looks at the emperor and thinks well if I only become half what he is I will find peace. I think I just saw that in Gretel and Hansel. While there's nothing "Star Wars" about it, Gretal and Hansel is easily the model of a Sith apprenticeship with the Witch helping Gretel awaken and begin to master her own powers. Ultimately Gretel turns against her and kills her when the Witch tries to get her to eat her much younger brother, Hansel. One could easily imagine this movie occurring on some primitive planet within the Star Wars setting with a Sith "Mistress" using the very darkest of the Dark Side and trying to seduce cultivate the Dark Side in Gretel as someone she sees as a sister/daughter in power. Despite the clear evil of the Witch, you get the feeling that she really does see herself as acting in Gretel's best interests. So, Gretel would possibly count as someone who was taught the ways of the Force in the Sith tradition but chose to reject or at least manage their power instead of turning into a Palpatinesque scenery-chewing loon.
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# ? Feb 6, 2020 22:00 |
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Saturnalia posted:Spain, too. It’s amazing how that country managed to avoid WW2. The Spanish Civil War destroying the country's economy and killing most of the country's military-age men probably helped
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# ? Feb 6, 2020 22:05 |
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Saturnalia posted:Spain, too. It’s amazing how that country managed to avoid WW2. HaitianDivorce posted:The Spanish Civil War destroying the country's economy and killing most of the country's military-age men probably helped Yeah, it's this.
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# ? Feb 6, 2020 22:59 |
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Saturnalia posted:Spain, too. It’s amazing how that country managed to avoid WW2. my dude with the sanderista tag, you should read "homage to catalonia" by orwell. it's particularly relevant these days.
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# ? Feb 6, 2020 23:44 |
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Elfgames posted:the idea that ballance is some kind of midpoint between light and dark, is the loving stupidest thing Well good for you because Lucas explicitly stated it wasn't. Essentially the Force exists in a natural balanced state and evil poo poo corrupts it and creates the Dark Side as a kind of spiritual tumor, hence the need to bring balance to the force to heal the universe. The character flaw of the Prequel Jedi wasn't that they were too Light-sided like the Legends EU always mistakenly thought, it was the opposite. They had become unbalanced and thus were succumbing to the Dark much like how the Republic was.
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# ? Feb 7, 2020 01:17 |
Dr. Fishopolis posted:my dude with the sanderista tag, you should read "homage to catalonia" by orwell. it's particularly relevant these days. It’s amazing Spain stayed out considering Francisco Franco had a major boner for the Nazis, and even received support from Hitler during the Spanish Civil War.
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# ? Feb 7, 2020 04:55 |
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Elfgames posted:the idea that ballance is some kind of midpoint between light and dark, is the loving stupidest thing
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# ? Feb 7, 2020 05:02 |
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I'm a gray Jedi. Peace yet serenity... Wisdom, yet smartness
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# ? Feb 7, 2020 05:34 |
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I think it was SMG in one of these threads who said that the midpoint between Light and Dark isn't Grey, it's DimTimeless Appeal posted:TLJ's notion that the Dark Side is just bullshit is great
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# ? Feb 7, 2020 05:37 |
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2house2fly posted:I think it was SMG in one of these threads who said that the midpoint between Light and Dark isn't Grey, it's Dim Alas, Rian Johnson committed the unforgivable sin of try to do something new. Or old. Or at least different. Way back (I'm 51) when I was a kid growing up in the 80s, the science fiction "Cola War" was between Star Trek and Star Wars. It's a little cliche now, but it really was kind of a thing back then. And I was a Star Wars guy. I didn't hate Star Trek, but it just seemed that laser swords and Jedi stuff included, Star Wars was a more believable human space existence than Star Trek. I could believe in Transporters, Phaser and Warp Drive, but I could never really accept the idea that we would eventually science-tech our way out of human nature. That the so-called Seven Deadly Sins of Envy, Gluttony, Greed, Lust, Pride, Sloth and Wrath wouldn't be a continuing part of the human condition no matter how advanced we got. The people (alien or not) in Star Wars were still recognizable as people. The ones in Star Trek (at least on the "good guy Federation side") weren't. Except that Star Trek evolved to some degree. Deep Space Nine showed a much more recognizable universe. And Star Wars... kind of stayed the same. More than anything else since 1983, I'd been looking forward to the Second Trilogy of SW 7, 8 and 9. I didn't hate the Prequels (though I did my share of mocking them), in part because I didn't really care about them. Fine, whatever, clones, Jedi are dumb, Anakin puts on the Asthma Suit. Can we move this the gently caress along? I wanna know what happens next. The was the attraction of the novels/comics/etc. of the Expanded Universe. It told us What Happened Next. Some of it was deeply stupid (Kevin J Anderson) but it was cool watching Luke, Han, Leia and even their kids trying to build something in the aftermath of the Star Wars. Watching somebody like Admiral Pellaeon go from a ruthless enemy to a trusted friend. The EU had its faults and plenty of them but it at least tried to go forward. And then the Second Trilogy came out and... it mostly repeats the original trilogy. Anything that threatens to be new or interesting is retconned and beaten back into line. And while I didn't think it at the time, my main reaction to RoS is, "Really? I waited 36 loving years to get this poo poo?" Everyone fucked around with this message at 06:40 on Feb 7, 2020 |
# ? Feb 7, 2020 06:37 |
There is literally nothing new in TLJ, how do people keep falling for this.
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# ? Feb 7, 2020 06:38 |
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The thing that TLJ does different from the other Disney episodes is actually acknowledge the prequels.
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# ? Feb 7, 2020 06:42 |
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Saturnalia posted:There is literally nothing new in TLJ, how do people keep falling for this. Because it's not a near note-for-note retread of a previous movie in the original trilogy. Because it credibly threatens to become interesting.
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# ? Feb 7, 2020 06:42 |
Everyone posted:Because it's not a near note-for-note retread of a previous movie in the original trilogy. Because it credibly threatens to become interesting. Yeah, it set up something that could have been new for the sequel, but the film itself is still a lurching retread of the OT.
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# ? Feb 7, 2020 06:49 |
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Bongo Bill posted:The thing that TLJ does different from the other Disney episodes is actually acknowledge the prequels.
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# ? Feb 7, 2020 06:55 |
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weesa free
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# ? Feb 7, 2020 07:04 |
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Everyone posted:Because it's not a near note-for-note retread of a previous movie in the original trilogy. Because it credibly threatens to become interesting. See though that was actually my problem with it, it felt almost entirely like a straight remake of V: -Both films start with the rebels fleeing from their base against the overwhelming might of an Imperial fleet -In both films, the young, force sensitive protagonist goes off to train with an older, eccentric mentor in an exotic and isolated location, while their friends spend the film fleeing from the Empire -The protagonist receives a spooky vision from a weird force cave -While attempting to escape the Empire, the protagonist's friends are betrayed by an ally they trusted -The protagonist, learning their friends are in danger, goes off to confront the Emperor's right-hand man. During the confrontation, the protagonist learns a shocking truth about their family. And then the film does the Battle of Hoth, again - since apparently having the opening battle achieve the same narrative function as Hoth (setting up that the protagonist's friends are fleeing from the Empire), we've got to have direct visual references as well. Like, obviously TLJ is a very different film from ESB, but it hits a lot of the same narrative beats. And for me that was extremely disappointing, since all I wanted was a new and different Star Wars film, I'd heard TLJ was exciting and different, and then... it really wasn't. (Didn't help either I had a ton of other problems with the film's writing and execution. There are ways to do a good chase movie, and Fury Road this was not.)
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# ? Feb 7, 2020 13:17 |
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It... is a near note for note retread of Empire though, with some ROTJ thrown in. The rebels are cornered by the Empire on a snow planet and barely escape after a battle of speeders against imperial walkers, our hero receives training in the Force from a reluctant master and leaves after having visions of the future, while the rebels escape one ship does it's own thing and has an adventure that includes going to a nice-looking planet with a dark secret and ends with getting captured by the Empire. Then the villain discusses the hero's parentage and extends an offer to rule the galaxy together. This takes place after a confrontation with the dark overlord where his underling kills him (partially) to save the hero, and in the end Luke resolves the final battle not by fighting but by provoking action from the villain. I think it's cool how it turns a bunch of stuff around uses your expectations to create twists (eg you expect that Snoke will want to train Rey or something like Palpatine wanted to do for Luke, but he actually just wants to kill her; and of course Rey's parents were drug addicts who sold her, the twist being a) she already knows, b) the "reveal" is just Kylo trying to emotionally abuse her so she thinks he's her only option) but the writing process definitely involved putting bits of Star Wars in a blender
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# ? Feb 7, 2020 13:20 |
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Uh yeah what he said
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# ? Feb 7, 2020 13:21 |
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2house2fly posted:Uh yeah what he said Ha, at least we're on the same page.
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# ? Feb 7, 2020 13:28 |
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Casino planet is sort of like Cloud City too.
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# ? Feb 7, 2020 13:37 |
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There are podracing flags in The Force Awakens
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# ? Feb 7, 2020 18:33 |
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Barudak posted:There are podracing flags in The Force Awakens Did they not remove all of them?
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# ? Feb 7, 2020 19:59 |
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Acebuckeye13 posted:And then the film does the Battle of Hoth, again - since apparently having the opening battle achieve the same narrative function as Hoth (setting up that the protagonist's friends are fleeing from the Empire), we've got to have direct visual references as well The Last Jedi looks like a remake of Empire, becomes a remake of Return of the Jedi, and then suddenly starts going backwards in reverse chronological order (The Beginning of Empire -> The Death Star Run -> the Obi-Wan/Vader duel).
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# ? Feb 8, 2020 22:06 |
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Honestly I think it would have been cooler if instead of Starkiller base being a super weapon, it was just a planet with its equator collapsed because it had been mined for all of its kyber crystals. There's a big space battle because the Resistance received bad intel that it was a super weapon, when in fact they learn that it is being built elsewhere. TLJ could have played out the same way. At the end of the film it is revealed to Rey that it the First Order is building superweapons, plural. But they're still thinking about the death star, so they're expecting two or three big installations with a doomsday cannon. In the third film everyone is shocked when it turns out that they put doomsday lasers onto a fleet of 500 star destroyers and the whole thing is being carried out by fanatics who promised the emperor they would destroy all life in the galaxy were he to be killed. So it's not about making worlds cower to the First Order -- it's about literally exterminating all life in the galaxy. Would have been way better as far as the bad guys being scary.
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# ? Feb 10, 2020 02:50 |
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Grandpa Palpatine posted:Honestly I think it would have been cooler if instead of Starkiller base being a super weapon, it was just a planet with its equator collapsed because it had been mined for all of its kyber crystals. There's a big space battle because the Resistance received bad intel that it was a super weapon, when in fact they learn that it is being built elsewhere. I want to object to some of that. I want to say, "Starkiller base has to be the super weapons that the Republic can be destroyed." Except, not really. Because the Republic was pretty much indifferent to the First Order right up to the point that it killed them. In your idea you could still have Palpatine as the bad guy. He died at Death Star II and is now a Force Ghost. However, he wants to unleash the 500 Destroyers with Dicks to murder/sacrifice whole planets and supercharge the galaxy with fear and rage. Then he can channel all that Dark Side energy to go from Force Ghost to Force God.
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# ? Feb 10, 2020 03:41 |
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Everyone posted:I want to object to some of that. I want to say, "Starkiller base has to be the super weapons that the Republic can be destroyed." Except, not really. Because the Republic was pretty much indifferent to the First Order right up to the point that it killed them. no gently caress palpatine coming back in any form Some dumb bullshit for real.
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# ? Feb 10, 2020 03:45 |
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Yea the idea that there needs to be an old guy space wizard end boss is idiotic, it should’ve just been Kylo
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# ? Feb 10, 2020 03:48 |
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There doesn't need to be a superweapon to destroy planets either, why can't we have drat villains any more. How far have we fallen from episodes 1-6 that now an army of fanatics on a mission to wipe out all life in the universe would be an improvement on what we got?
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# ? Feb 10, 2020 03:55 |
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Y'all I am SHOCKED that Rise of Skywalker wasn't nominated for best film editing
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# ? Feb 10, 2020 03:56 |
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# ? Apr 28, 2024 22:27 |
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Should have been nominated for most film editing
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# ? Feb 10, 2020 04:41 |