Fighting Games: the casuals are coming for your niche and you better be afraid

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Captain Baal: Oct 23, 2010; I Failed At Anime 2022

ThisIsACoolGuy posted:

Question about Granblue. Watching day 1 footage but Lowain has a super where he summons some giant lady and you play as her for a few seconds. How the hell do you deal with that in this game because watching someone block all of her attacks they still seem to take 20-30% through chip alone and her lava carpet move can't be blocked apparently. That seems kind of insane when no other character has something THAT good even when blocked.

You spot dodge and jump appropriately. It's difficult to deal with but there's answers to everything there, it just requires practice and situational awareness

IronicDongz posted:

I don't think that actually even makes that first one less horny

You can only make metera more horny there is never less horny with her

# ? Feb 7, 2020 03:40

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# ? Apr 29, 2024 09:38

darealkooky: Sep 15, 2011; You sayin' I like dubs?!?

inthesto posted:

There's a whole list of small things that add up to make A3 such a turd of a game, but the one that I think is emblematic is the difference in damage between an unmetered and a metered combo. In A3, unmetered combos barely budge the lifebar, and a metered combo could very well be a touch of death. Combine that with the fact that V-ism gets i-frames on activation and the game gives you full meter at the start of the round. The game's not very fun.

And if you remove V-ism from the game, you basically remove everything unique from A3 and you're left with Really Boring A2.

I'm not the biggest a3 fan but I feel like you're being really unfair here. for one thing lets not pretend custom combos aren't awful in every SF game that's cursed to have them. in A2 you can CC people point blank and if they aren't blocking low you unblockable them into 80% of their life by looping 1-2 moves together over and over. the only real difference between that and the wacky infinites in a3 is that the later is more difficult in terms of execution.

I also don't agree that A-ism a3 is "really boring A2", the games are just different the way every SF game is different. a3 has a much bigger focus on juggling than any other sf game combined with a very freeform ability to airtech out of those juggles making the combos in a-ism almost work like something from smash bros, where some things are guarenteed and other things are a "is he going to go for the rest of this combo or tech chase me" sort of game. the guard meter makes the game feel very distinct from other SF games in terms of how offense and defense work and helps work as a balance to alpha counters (which are the main thing that, along with custom combos, makes a2 more of a sidegrade to ST than an objective improvement in terms of mechanics). A3 also has the sort of counter hit system you would see in later arcsys games where specific moves become knockdowns or juggle starters but only on counter hit, and every move does more damage on a counter.

the only things in a3 I feel like are misteps and not just a different sort of game that doesn't involve crouch cancel glitch infinites are that fireballs traveling a long time do way less damage (but they still do guard/chip so w/e) and the throw mechanics are pretty poorly thought out. pretty much every character returning from a2 has a lot of interesting stuff in a3 in terms of improvements to their movelist, for example akuma has a reason to do demon flip except for feeling like he's suicidal and wants the other person to anti air CC him to death.

TLDR: a3 is pretty cool, getting mad at the top tier play being people doing infinites on eachother for minutes at a time so you refuse to play it is about as silly as seeing ST vega 50/50 someone to death and refusing to play that game.

# ? Feb 7, 2020 03:52

In Training: Jun 28, 2008

gently caress claw tho

# ? Feb 7, 2020 03:53

Nostalgia4Butts: Jun 1, 2006; WHERE MY HOSE DRINKERS AT

IronicDongz posted:

there's your mistake, this thread is very insular and does not represent 'the FGC' in any real capacity
I would love if there was ever a 'big' guy in a fighting game actually made to appeal to a gay bear-liker such as myself, but I haven't ever seen it.

Bass in DOA?

# ? Feb 7, 2020 04:03

LazyMaybe: Aug 18, 2013; oouagh

Endorph posted:

This is why we need a fate/grand order fighting game for them to put iskander and napoleon in

these guys are way too cut to be bears

Nostalgia4Butts posted:

Bass in DOA?

this is more like it but I can't pretend I'm ever gonna become a DoA guy in this lifetime tbh

# ? Feb 7, 2020 05:09

Neo Rasa: Mar 8, 2007; Everyone should play DUKE games.

IronicDongz posted:

these guys are way too cut to be bears
this is more like it but I can't pretend I'm ever gonna become a DoA guy in this lifetime tbh

Karnov

# ? Feb 7, 2020 05:21

mysterious loyall X: Jul 8, 2003

Dias posted:

I think the best way of understanding the differences between those games is by watching how they're played at a high level.

These are high-level A3 matches:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_i-YYFmOx-Y&hd=1

These are high-level A2 matches:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cel-jxcrUJE&hd=1

America tends to like SF when it's closer to ST than to...whatever A3 is.

I will always trust the opinion of a miserable 45 yo salary man who reeks of cigarettes and nikka black and is emotionally estranged from his vhild and wife due to 150 hour work weeks over that of american fgc people

# ? Feb 7, 2020 05:25

PaletteSwappedNinja: Jun 3, 2008; One Nation, Under God.

IronicDongz posted:

I would love if there was ever a 'big' guy in a fighting game actually made to appeal to a gay bear-liker such as myself, but I haven't ever seen it.

Capcom thinks this is what Zangief is.

# ? Feb 7, 2020 05:48

HerniaFlange: Aug 4, 2013; You when you read my posts:

IronicDongz posted:

I would love if there was ever a 'big' guy in a fighting game actually made to appeal to a gay bear-liker such as myself, but I haven't ever seen it.

Not even the character named Big Bear?

Yes I know he's just Zangief again, but he's closer, right? Unless you mean like the Bear Force One/"Basically just more handsome/better groomed H John Benjamins" type of bears?

# ? Feb 7, 2020 05:54

bebaloorpabopalo: Nov 23, 2005; I'm not interested in constructive criticism, believe me.

both alpha games are kind of garbo. a2 is funner to play at a low to mid level but a3 has more room to be a specialist and be unique when u play by old japanese man arcade honour rules and all agree to only use the bullshit two tiers down from the top. Learning A3 at an actual high level is too effort for Americans who don't have an arcade with all the kusoge readily available anymore but A2 is easy to pick up and learn one CC and do a footsie

# ? Feb 7, 2020 07:00

PaletteSwappedNinja: Jun 3, 2008; One Nation, Under God.

Why bother with either when you can play A4 aka CVS2

# ? Feb 7, 2020 07:03

darealkooky: Sep 15, 2011; You sayin' I like dubs?!?

because the only decent way to netplay cvs2 is using dolphin and lots of people have grief about EO removing roll canceling

# ? Feb 7, 2020 07:56

Endorph: Jul 22, 2009

IronicDongz posted:

these guys are way too cut to be bears

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJiUWerzg6s

we need a fighting game based on this mobage

# ? Feb 7, 2020 08:15

Spuckuk: Aug 11, 2009; Being a bastard works

IronicDongz posted:

these guys are way too cut to be bears
this is more like it but I can't pretend I'm ever gonna become a DoA guy in this lifetime tbh

Convince Arcsys to put Galadar in Granblue

https://gbf.wiki/Galadar#/media/File:Npc_zoom_3020004000_01.png

# ? Feb 7, 2020 09:19

PaletteSwappedNinja: Jun 3, 2008; One Nation, Under God.

Fighting games scheduled for Sega's current arcade hardware: GG Strive, UNCLR, the latest version of Dengeki Bunko Fighting Climax Ignition and Koihime Enbu Ryorairai, plus Goonya Fighter which is some goofy ragdoll Gang Beasts thing:

That hardware already has Xrd, BBTAG, DOA6 and recently got Blade Strangers.

# ? Feb 7, 2020 10:00

Arzachel: May 12, 2012

Unlucky7 posted:

My impressions were mostly from here so....

I was one of the people down on the beta because of the glacial run/walk. It's still not *fast* but walk speed is better and either they reduced run startup, increased acceleration or both.

# ? Feb 7, 2020 10:35

kirbysuperstar: Nov 11, 2012; Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.

https://twitter.com/granblue_en/status/1225725873598291969

That's a bit better than "a controller"

# ? Feb 7, 2020 11:22

Tae: Oct 24, 2010; Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!

Cygames is probably the closest to netherrealms in flooding a game with all the support and money to grow a scene.

# ? Feb 7, 2020 11:58

Saint Freak: Apr 16, 2007; Regretting is an insult to oneself; Buglord

kirbysuperstar posted:

Man this Death Note adaptation is weird.

# ? Feb 7, 2020 16:15

Endorph: Jul 22, 2009

https://twitter.com/Zero_HourX/status/1225663216375582720?s=20

Ive decided granblue is the best game arcsys has made in the past 10 years

# ? Feb 7, 2020 16:34

HerniaFlange: Aug 4, 2013; You when you read my posts:

Good grappler=good game. Ladiva rules.

# ? Feb 7, 2020 16:48

Gutcruncher: Apr 16, 2005; Go home and be a family man!

Ladiva has buttons after SPD that do nothing except a cool taunt. It owns.

# ? Feb 7, 2020 16:53

Brought To You By: Oct 31, 2012

Endorph posted:

https://twitter.com/Zero_HourX/status/1225663216375582720?s=20

Ive decided granblue is the best game arcsys has made in the past 10 years

Weapons having hurtboxes just feels wrong to me.

# ? Feb 7, 2020 16:54

inthesto: May 12, 2010; Pro is an amazing name!

Brought To You By posted:

Weapons having hurtboxes just feels wrong to me.

# ? Feb 7, 2020 16:59

Neo Rasa: Mar 8, 2007; Everyone should play DUKE games.

mycot posted:

Soul Calibur 4 might be the grossest looking horny game ever.

(Stares in Mortal Kombat Deadly Alliance and Deception)

# ? Feb 7, 2020 16:59

Yardbomb: Jul 11, 2011; What's with the eh... bretonnian dance, sir?

inthesto posted:

God Billy Kane is a bastard and I love him

# ? Feb 7, 2020 17:05

mango sentinel: Jan 5, 2001; by sebmojo

HerniaFlange posted:

Good grappler=good game. Ladiva rules.

https://twitter.com/woahheydanny/status/1225666348581150720?s=19

# ? Feb 7, 2020 17:06

Kongming: Aug 30, 2005

ThisIsACoolGuy posted:

Question about Granblue. Watching day 1 footage but Lowain has a super where he summons some giant lady and you play as her for a few seconds. How the hell do you deal with that in this game because watching someone block all of her attacks they still seem to take 20-30% through chip alone and her lava carpet move can't be blocked apparently. That seems kind of insane when no other character has something THAT good even when blocked.

They seem to have some pretty major flaws.

https://twitter.com/DaEvaBeato/status/1225436517071454208

https://twitter.com/mohumohukedama/status/1225175851806810112

# ? Feb 7, 2020 17:07

Brought To You By: Oct 31, 2012

inthesto posted:

# ? Feb 7, 2020 17:08

Yardbomb: Jul 11, 2011; What's with the eh... bretonnian dance, sir?

Kongming posted:

They seem to have some pretty major flaws.

https://twitter.com/DaEvaBeato/status/1225436517071454208

https://twitter.com/mohumohukedama/status/1225175851806810112

That's incredibly sad, sucks even more that they're one of the only people I'd really wanna play there too.

# ? Feb 7, 2020 17:35

Captain Baal: Oct 23, 2010; I Failed At Anime 2022

There are a lot of people severely underrating how chaotic the Yggdrasil super is and even if you have answers to some of the stuff in it, one gently caress up means you just eat poo poo and die. Idk what to with HPA though, that super does seem pretty wack.

# ? Feb 7, 2020 17:43

Live Free: Jan 5, 2019; by VideoGames

granblue rules
samsho rules
sfv is much improved
uncler coming soon

it's a wonderful time

# ? Feb 7, 2020 18:12

exquisite tea: Apr 21, 2007; Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."

Granblue looks pretty cool HOWEVER I am annoyed that there's no PC release on the horizon and that playing it would mean paying to use my PS4's lovely wifi to use the internet that I already pay for!!!

# ? Feb 7, 2020 18:14