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neither character is super popular so my sample size is limited, but the best samus player in europe lost a set to the best bowser player in europe a week ago, so  (this was pre-patch, however)
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I dunno, I haven't noticed DK being that much tougher than anyone else, but I suppose I don't see him that often. Spike is rough but there are ways around it. And that huge hitbox is so so nice to hit.
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Feb 10, 2020 02:55
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Strange Matter posted:In my experience, which I think is shared with some other Samus mains here, is that DK's speed and reach really rain on Samus's parade, and her floatiness makes her a juicy target for DK's spike game if you aren't careful. In contrast I don't think I've ever lost a 1v1 against Bowser as Samus; there's really not much Bowser can do to her. And here I thought Samus (or Dark Samus) was DK's hard counter.
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Feb 10, 2020 03:45
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Isn't Samus still partially broken?
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Feb 10, 2020 03:56
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I don't think I've ever lost to a Ridley as Samus either, though I haven't fought any since they buffed him.
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Feb 10, 2020 04:06
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Grapplejack posted:Isn't Samus still partially broken? Ultimate Samus? No. Melee Samus? Yes.
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Feb 10, 2020 04:15
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Ultimate Samus has a sort of broken jab 2, it doesn't really work great But since they juuuust buffed her and didn't change the jab I guess it's just intentional. So yeah, stick with jab 1 to tilt/charge shot/whatever
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Feb 10, 2020 04:33
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It's intentional, there's even a loading screen tip that tells you the 2nd hit of the jab doesn't combo.
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Feb 10, 2020 04:38
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Theta Zero posted:Ultimate Samus? No.
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Feb 10, 2020 05:04
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i was half expecting them to add loading screen tips for captain falcon saying 'his turnaround sucks because turning is hard in f-zero' and 'if he grabs you with falcon dive off stage, he's vulnerable to counterattacks' maybe even 'raptor boost doesn't work sometimes, much like a car' 
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Feb 10, 2020 05:04
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Samus is a character that I really wanna dig playing with but her dodge is soooooooo slow, feels like havin my legs cut off I know that dark Samus is there to counter this but I like playing as OG Samus with the black/yellow variant 
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Feb 10, 2020 07:06
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What's broken about Melee Samus?
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Feb 10, 2020 07:34
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sigher posted:What's broken about Melee Samus? superwavedash is insane dude... also the extendurrrr gives her the best grab range in the game
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Feb 10, 2020 07:53
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Yeah, but neither bring her out of her mid-tier ranking and they're basically never used.
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Feb 10, 2020 07:57
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Parrotine posted:Samus is a character that I really wanna dig playing with but her dodge is soooooooo slow, feels like havin my legs cut off Dark Samus's dodge is the same speed as regular Samus
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Feb 10, 2020 17:34
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sigher posted:Yeah, but neither bring her out of her mid-tier ranking and they're basically never used. I could've sworn Samus was A tier, since players like Plup and Duck represent her in tournament often. Checking it out, she was bumped into A tier for about a year before being dropped back town to mid/C tier as per usual. She does have that super wavedash, but there's also weird stuff like the homing grapple beam and a literal infinite recovery. She may be the most broken character in Smash in terms of functionality and not power, since we have Brawl Metaknight and Smash 4 Bayonetta. The only character that comes close to "things not working as intended" would probably be Melee Game and Watch whose shield doesn't work and moves don't L cancel on top of having most of their data copied from Mario's placeholder stats.
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Feb 10, 2020 17:38
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bef posted:superwavedash is insane dude... also the extendurrrr gives her the best grab range in the game What was the deal with that extended range homing grapple anyway? Was it a debug thing left in the game? I miss the melee morph ball bombs. You could spam Bowser to death with them.
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Feb 10, 2020 17:40
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RBA Starblade posted:What was the deal with that extended range homing grapple anyway? Was it a debug thing left in the game? Nobody really knows because the input is too specific and unrelated to be a glitch, so people theorize that it was just a debug command for maybe a scrapped version for the grapple beam that used the missile's homing technology. We can't tell for sure what it is unless a person who worked on the game confirms it. There's a few instances in other games where you can use a specific input via a controller to access some debug commands rather than using a debug menu. Sonic CD I think let you access a debug level select by pushing certain inputs in the sound test, for example.
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Feb 10, 2020 17:52
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Strange Matter posted:Learn to Tether Grab ledges. Samus's up-B is pretty easy to punish so the Tether is generally a safer option if you can pull it off. I always seem to be facing the wrong direction when recovering. So when I use grapple it doesn't connect and I end up falling to death.
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Feb 10, 2020 17:56
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I love playing as Samus but I think the bombs are just about the worst special in the game Of course I'm also a total Samus scrub so please prove me wrong
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Feb 10, 2020 18:01
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The Bloop posted:I love playing as Samus but I think the bombs are just about the worst special in the game They allow you to land on a stage almost 100% safely in my experience.
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Feb 10, 2020 18:05
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The Bloop posted:I love playing as Samus but I think the bombs are just about the worst special in the game They're good at interrupting things, spacing, or being a shithead on the edge, and they're also really good at helping you avoid the up-smash someone's preparing for you as you gently float down to earth They're just not the total bullshit they were in melee where you could chain-bomb forever as long as the first explodes I also hate that I can't just spam the grapple like I could in brawl - I used to juggle people to the edge then meteor smash them with it lol
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Feb 10, 2020 18:05
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The Bloop posted:I love playing as Samus but I think the bombs are just about the worst special in the game Bombs are good for mixing up landing and to create space like a lesser version of Z-dropping Snake's grenades. Since Samus is slow and floaty, they're the perfect tool for her.
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Feb 10, 2020 18:05
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The bombs also let you instantly go full momentum in either direction, regardless of your current air momentum, which is a huge asset in landing safely and mixing up someone who's trying to juggle
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Feb 10, 2020 18:24
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super fart shooter posted:The bombs also let you instantly go full momentum in either direction, regardless of your current air momentum, which is a huge asset in landing safely and mixing up someone who's trying to juggle Yeah that's the biggest deal for me, you can change direction in mid-air without airdodging or b reversing. Plus it's free pressure on the edge, the morph ball lets you slide back on the ground for some real easy spacing. When knocked off stage just start bombing and save your second jump, makes getting back way easier. Such a useful move. 100YrsofAttitude posted:I always seem to be facing the wrong direction when recovering. So when I use grapple it doesn't connect and I end up falling to death. *smiles sagely* Fellow traveler the move that you seek is the b reverse https://youtu.be/mL4EKnsBYRo Anyway, I just absolutely wrecked a DK with similar gsp online so I'm gonna figure that's not a Samus counterpick. Fox and Lucina, on the other hand, usually gently caress me up. And Hero, but that's more of a personal mental block more than anything, gently caress that guy.
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Feb 11, 2020 04:09
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Jesus, nothing is more tilting than a character constantly landing aerials on you. Joker's frame data is crazy, and if I just shield and try to grab out of shield (or jab) they can spot dodge and immediately ruin me.
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Feb 11, 2020 04:31
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shirts and skins posted:Yeah that's the biggest deal for me, you can change direction in mid-air without airdodging or b reversing. Plus it's free pressure on the edge, the morph ball lets you slide back on the ground for some real easy spacing.
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Feb 11, 2020 04:49
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Donkey Kong is fun as hell to play in ultimate.
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Feb 11, 2020 05:00
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As a dedicated Samus main, sometimes Hero seriously pisses me off. I played a match against one who spammed the magic menu and got bounce nearly every time. At that point I wasn't playing against him, I was playing against his stupid rng gimmick. Also bombs rule. If you drop them right you can land multiple shield hits.
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Feb 11, 2020 05:08
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The French Army posted:As a dedicated Samus main, sometimes Hero seriously pisses me off. I played a match against one who spammed the magic menu and got bounce nearly every time. At that point I wasn't playing against him, I was playing against his stupid rng gimmick. Samus has very good normals. If a Hero getting bounce is throwing you off, that means you're relying too much on projectiles.
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Feb 11, 2020 05:19
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Theta Zero posted:Samus has very good normals. If a Hero getting bounce is throwing you off, that means you're relying too much on projectiles. To be fair "try your best to pretend half of your character no longer exists for the entirety of this match or lose, oops you thought of B" sucks a lot, but fighting the Hero just sucks in general They could have tried to make the rng thing fun at least
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Feb 11, 2020 06:01
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If you’ve ever watched QuiK play Samus, the way he uses bombs is the reason Samus has an insane advantage state, basically by controlling the ledge utterly in complete safety. He has one particular setup where it seems no matter what his opponent does, he will always be able to nail them with a Charge Shot. https://youtu.be/NX6p5GzLkNY https://youtu.be/adAnGMHYt_4 These two videos show a lot of QuiK’s method which allows him to put the screws to players like Gluttony, Samsora and Mr. R. Actually, it was seeing QuiK play that kinda got me going “Man I actually wanna try this character.”
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Feb 11, 2020 19:02
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RBA Starblade posted:To be fair "try your best to pretend half of your character no longer exists for the entirety of this match or lose, oops you thought of B" sucks a lot, but fighting the Hero just sucks in general LOL.
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Feb 11, 2020 19:09
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bef posted:LOL. I hate him!
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Feb 11, 2020 19:11
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RBA Starblade posted:I hate him! No LOLing 2-3 moves out of 17 is half of her arsenal
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Feb 11, 2020 19:33
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bef posted:No LOLing 2-3 moves out of 17 is half of her arsenal Missile, super missile, bomb, grapple beam, charge beam 
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Feb 11, 2020 19:37
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RBA Starblade posted:Missile, super missile, bomb, grapple beam, charge beam drat do the reflectors affect grapple beam? Also Mega Man has it so much worse a bunch of his drat normals are reflectable (up-air, down-air, neutral attack, forward tilt, nair, forward smash) 
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Feb 11, 2020 19:41
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Guy A. Person posted:drat do the reflectors affect grapple beam? It'll reflect it if you fire in mid-air yeah
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Feb 11, 2020 19:42
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Let me tell you about fighting Hero as Mega Man and only having like 3 moves when he gets bounce. Edit: Haha beaten to it. But yeah, it's one of the worst matches, and I've played against so many heroes that just run to the edge of the map and try to get bounce over and over again. Hero is the least fun character and I hate everything about him.
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