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AntherUslessPoster posted:k Yeah. In the Shelliac episode they can't get ships to that region for a week or two, so they need to stall them a little, iirc. A fair bunch of Trek combat so far in the show has been hand-to-hand combat, except when they have phaser battles, which actually piss me off more because it's written down in the technical manual that the typical hand phaser is able to displace/vapourise over half a kilometre of solid rock. Nobody uses that  I'm not entirely satisfied with the Picard show, but I want to see how it plays out. IMO DIS and Picard are already doing slightly better than late DS9 grimdark because there's continual acknowledgement that the Federation is not intended to be bad. The admiral acknowledges that they sent Pike and co. away precisely because they were the best of Starfleet. Picard himself acknowledges that the Federation have gone sour. We have yet to see how that plays out, because it's a long story arc, but I have hope remaining that they will fix this because the writers themselves are admitting that this is not how it's supposed to be
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I wouldn't call DS9 grimdark. Gritty perhaps, but not grimdark.
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EvilTaytoMan posted:I wouldn't call DS9 grimdark. Gritty perhaps, but not grimdark. DS9 is also very open about the fact they're fundamentally good people pushed to do bad things and REALLY want any other options they can take if possible.
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I started watching SG-1 recently. It's pretty okay, but does it ever get good? I could take or leave pretty much everything about it save for Richard Dean Anderson, who is a treasure.
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No. RDA is the only good thing about it and the quality of any given episode will vary wildly but never actually reach "good".
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Epicurius posted:And Stiles's racism is solved by the end of the episode because it's a standalone episode, so everything has to be resolved at the end of the episode. I'd assume in modern serialized Star Trek, Stiles would gradually, over the course of the season, learn that racism is wrong, and change accordingly. I can't think of anything more tedious than this. Oh wait I can, it was season one of Discovery.
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AntherUslessPoster posted:Post scarcity is not post resource the main reason ferenghi use gold pressed latinum is because it literally cannot be replicated, they state this constantly in ds9 AntherUslessPoster posted:Cool elf with sword in a universe where fencing is a cool pastime, where klingons have ceremonial and actual weapons of all types of blades and only 2 types of energy disruptors, where even logical vulcans have lirpas. in the real world we have aido, kendo, chinese theatre and gangs in south america with machetes. you know where we dont use any of these things? in actual combat situations swords are loving idiotic when autoloading ranged weaponry exists. even the klingons have disruptor pistols and rifles for actual combat, the bathleths are just for duelling or demoralising beaten foes for fun e: also the lirpas are ceremonial Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 16:32 on Feb 18, 2020 |
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Good loving lord; "Honorbound swordsman with a katana" is about as dead a horse as you can flog for a writing cliche for a character, and the writers were lazy enough to make zero effort to disguise it. "Secret society of super-fighter warrior-monks" is a close second. If they had any decent chops, they would've also known better not to dress up Picard in a sunhat and suit to go visit an analogue for one of the British Colonies, with a bundle of gifts and trinkets from Yeah sure lets nitpick on the fact that there are over a million books released every year around the world and god knows how many movies. All plots are written, when do they become cliches? Subjective. Next, about the apartheid parallels. You nitpick on a nasty historical fact being portrayed that is used to amplify the story, that ends up with almost the same bad outcome? Seriously? Saying that something is bad is not satisfactory anymore, we should not even talk about it?
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Bobby Deluxe posted:right but the nature of replicators as matter constructor / deconstructors and warp cores as essentially unlimited power sources means that in practice the federation economy is exactly that The energy is the resource, antimatter in the warp cores that is used to run them is created from that energy and dilithium crystals are non-replicable. Bobby Deluxe posted:swords are loving idiotic Also energy weapon dampening fields exist. Lets all go back to lethal bullet weaponry! Bobby Deluxe posted:the main reason ferenghi use gold pressed latinum is because it literally cannot be replicated UFP does not use currencies in internal affairs, economy or else.
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Also if it is post scarcity why was Picard’s aide complaining about living alone in her space trailer in the middle of the desert while JL was living it up on the family vineyard? Was that her only option?
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Xenocides posted:Also if it is post scarcity why was Picard’s aide complaining about living alone in her space trailer in the middle of the desert while JL was living it up on the family vineyard? Was that her only option? I figure that anywhere on Earth would be considered prime real estate in the 24th Century so I can only assume it's self imposed, otherwise she'd be living on some lovely colony world in the middle of nowhere.
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AntherUslessPoster posted:Yeah sure lets nitpick on the fact that there are over a million books released every year around the world and god knows how many movies.  Plots become cliche when they're overused and it's patently clear they're not the writer's own efforts due to being taken wholesale from another work. It's specifically why I brought up the Klingons, who also draw from the same general archetype and culture, yet manage to create their own identity around it.
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In lesser degree to defend Picard and in not a moment to defend writers but to try to understand the use of cliches - they have a quantifiable goal to hit and a team to brainstorm with CEOs to please. They have to refer to understandable 'human' standards there. Also this is why I refer people to Darmok as the first episode to watch to get the essence of Trek. Its alien. And ST:Picard is human.
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AntherUslessPoster posted:In lesser degree to defend Picard and in not a moment to defend writers but to try to understand the use of cliches - they have a quantifiable goal to hit and a team to brainstorm with CEOs to please. Lol, that doesn't mean you just use a dot-point list of character cliches verbatim and call it a day. Most decent writers are able to start from a cliche and build on that to shape a character's own identity, and "CEO's to please" has not been a thing since the 90's. Cable and streaming programs are their own beast and network oversight generally starts and ends with a signature on the project to let the Showrunner do their own thing. And even if it were the case, most prestige shows are looking for characters with some measure of depth nowadays instead of cheap archetypes because they're all hopelessly chasing Game of Thrones (incidentally and on-topic; say hello to Jorah Mormont).
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Neddy Seagoon posted:If they had any decent chops, they would've also known better not to dress up Picard in a sunhat and suit to go visit an analogue for one of the British Colonies, with a bundle of gifts and trinkets from
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Communist Walrus posted:I started watching SG-1 recently. It's pretty okay, but does it ever get good? I could take or leave pretty much everything about it save for Richard Dean Anderson, who is a treasure. I watched it several months ago and wound up drifting away from it sometime in season 6. I generally wouldn't sit down to just watch it but it's a good show for having in the background while you do something else. People like to riff on "lol oh look it's the forest moon of british columbia again!!" but what I found more striking was how much time they spent in the infirmary (which, to be honest, were usually not terrible gripping scenes IMO).
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In a world of basic pumpkin latte bitches even 7 of 9 in a catsuit is almost Shakespearean deep.
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AntherUslessPoster posted:In a world of basic pumpkin latte bitches even 7 of 9 in a catsuit is almost Shakespearean deep. now this is the power of caffeine
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The classic universally understood human standard, noble sword elf
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Xenocides posted:Also if it is post scarcity why was Picard’s aide complaining about living alone in her space trailer in the middle of the desert while JL was living it up on the family vineyard? Was that her only option? then in later series of tng you have them gambling, then ds9 pretty much drops the whole pretence and starys openly talking about money and pay (largely because it was a bajoran station, but it even started to leak into intra starfleet stuff) then skip forward to picard and something is clearly very fucky because they are able to use not being able to afford to help romulus as an excuse*, and i am pretty sure a few people have used the word expensive, as well as the woman forced to live in a trailer in the middle of nowhere (although i suspect she is living there more for the solitude than the price) i am going to take a step back and retract my statement that the federation is post-resource or currencyless or however you want to put it instead i am going to say that it is odd to track how money and limited resources are handled in the various trek series, and how picard is probably the furthest outlier in terms of money / resources being directly stated as a reason for not doing things in a way that pretty much no other show has done (outside of ferenghi episodes), and it feels jarring like having someone say they cannot afford to do something doesn't really feel very star trek, is my point * even if that is not the real reason, the fact that it is at all plausable says something about the concepts of scarcity involved Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 18:19 on Feb 18, 2020 |
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[Epicurius posted:And Stiles's racism is solved by the end of the episode because it's a standalone episode, so everything has to be resolved at the end of the episode. I'd assume in modern serialized Star Trek, Stiles would gradually, over the course of the season, learn that racism is wrong, and change accordingly.
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I'm still surprised people can't get the idea of the issue with the Romulan rescue operation and sabotage- the point is that while the Federation has a lot of resources, they're not unlimited, especially when given a mission with hard time constraints, and were already putting a ton of pressure on member worlds to aid a nation-state that's been mostly hostile and a reluctant at best ally during times of total war- and a lot of Federation members probably have suffered personally at the hands of Romulan imperialism. And kind of the point is that it wasn't just the evacuation- the Romulan crisis requires an ongoing response to turn refugee camps into homes for billions of people that could never go home again, and the Federation bailed on them when that was most needed. Kind of the point is that the operation was costly, but by any humanitarian measures, would be both necessary and worth the effort, but Starfleet bailed out of selfishness, paranoia and fear brought on by a sudden attack. Ghost Leviathan fucked around with this message at 18:32 on Feb 18, 2020 |
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Prism Mirror Lens posted:The classic universally understood human standard, noble sword elf Ahem Fantastic weaponised character with higher morals than humans
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I hope the payoff for his backstory is a holodeck ep where he's in full Three Musketeers getup
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Ghost Leviathan posted:And kind of the point is that it wasn't just the evacuation- the Romulan crisis requires an ongoing response to turn refugee camps into homes for billions of people that could never go home again, and the Federation bailed on them when that was most needed.
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Alright I started actually watching Picard, and while you’re all talking about sword elves I’m here wondering why they needed a shot of Picard’s pitbull’s big swinging dog balls in the first ep
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Prism Mirror Lens posted:Alright I started actually watching Picard, and while you’re all talking about sword elves I’m here wondering why they needed a shot of Picard’s pitbull’s big swinging dog balls in the first ep So you know he lives up to his namesake.
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Raku posted:Kirk speaking French would have been the sexiest thing ever aired on television so I can understand them not doing that in the 60s It's Quebecois French, he would have sounded like a drunk goose.
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in the best of both worlds, locutus goes full on 7 of 9 haughty borg for a hot minute in part 2. i am way into it and also i want to watch the elseworld s04-07 TNG with captain riker and first officer shelby. they could literally make that right now, the de-aging technology exists and the only thing stopping them is CBS's own cowardice
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Rios fucks his holoselves, yall know that right he "keeps his own company," the hospitaligram says with a sly look.
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mango sentinel posted:It's Quebecois French, he would have sounded like a drunk goose. And?
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Prism Mirror Lens posted:Alright I started actually watching Picard, and while you’re all talking about sword elves I’m here wondering why they needed a shot of Picard’s pitbull’s big swinging dog balls in the first ep tbqh I think the swinging dog balls should have their own spin-off series
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Used book stores sometimes carry some crazy poo poo. I just purchased a mint condition first edition WOK photo novel AND a mint first edition ST:TMP novel for literally a couple of bucks. EDIT: Just for perspective both of these books are literally older than many of the people posting here. Hell, the ST:TMP novel was published in 1979, which makes it precariously close to boomer age. tango alpha delta fucked around with this message at 02:08 on Feb 19, 2020 |
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Admiralty Flag posted:I don't know if we were watching the same show, because I thought this was brilliant. You have the white The problem is that someone like Picard, or literally anyone with an education from Earth, should be able to look in the mirror and realize what's wrong with that before going anywhere near a Transporter to the planet. It's fundamentally out of character for a man of history, who captained two of Starfleet's flagships, and just forced for quick recognization instead of making effort.
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tango alpha delta posted:Used book stores sometimes carry some crazy poo poo. I once found several of Leonard Nimoy’s extremely dated flower child collections of poetry in a used book shop for $20. One was even autographed and inscribed by him. They are exactly as terrible as you’d imagine.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I once found several of Leonard Nimoy’s extremely dated flower child collections of poetry in a used book shop for $20. One was even autographed and inscribed by him. Yeah, it took years for Nimoy to gravitate between "I Am Not Spock" ,in 1975, to gently caress it, this is my meal ticket "I Am Spock." in 1995. By the way, both of those are real books you can buy on Amazon. I'm also pretty sure 1995 coincides with Nimoy's appearance on TNG's "Unification" two parter. EDIT: Looks like "Unification" aired in 1991, so that was probably the actual seed of <booming announcer voice> "The Return of Spock". tango alpha delta fucked around with this message at 02:28 on Feb 19, 2020 |
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tango alpha delta posted:Yeah, it took years for Nimoy to gravitate between "I Am Not Spock" ,in 1975, to gently caress it, this is my meal ticket "I Am Spock." in 1995. By the way, both of those are real books you can buy on Amazon. The third book wasn't so great though  .I am also Scotty.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:The third book wasn't so great though Seriously, it's kind of odd to me that a man who landed on D-Day, lost a finger during combat and kept fighting, just didn't beat the poo poo out of Bill Shatner at some point. Doohan was already a loving badass. tango alpha delta fucked around with this message at 02:33 on Feb 19, 2020 |
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tango alpha delta posted:Seriously, it's kind of odd to me that a man who landed on D-Day, lost a finger during combat and kept fighting, just didn't beat the poo poo out of Bill Shatner at some point. Doohan was already a loving badass. Pretty ironic displaying military fetishism in the Star Trek thread.
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Chomp8645 posted:Pretty ironic displaying military fetishism in the Star Trek thread. That's your takeaway? I think you might be a little confused. James Doohan served in World War Two, while Bill Shatner spent his younger years in the theatre. Shatner was very, very cocky on set and Doohan put up with a lot, even though he could have taken Shatner aside and had a little 'talk' with him. tldr: It's ironic that a military man would show more restraint than a civilian is my point. tango alpha delta fucked around with this message at 02:45 on Feb 19, 2020 |
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