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Nocheez posted:Look at this pleb who doesn't have pre-check. Are you still taking your laptop out, taking your shoes off, and putting your belt away? Oh, I've had Precheck for 5+ years now since I fly several times a month - the variable is which airport and if/when they decide to open a pre-check line or they just give you a Home Depot paint mixing stick or laminated construction paper to denote you have it but you still have to go through all the security kabuki. Even then sometimes they'll say one thing is fine, but you have to take off your shoes or whatever is the item of the week, it's maddening. Not that it'll go back to pre-9/11 standards when you could greet people at the gate etc but I've wondered if there will ever be a relaxing of all the security measures since everyone realizes it's a huge facade. Then I realize there are way too many vested interests and an entire federal bureaucracy now dedicated to maintaining this so it'll never go away 
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Ugly In The Morning posted:The gently caress are you going to do with toothpicks, menacingly clean your teeth at people? 
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sticksy posted:Not that it'll go back to pre-9/11 standards when you could greet people at the gate etc but I've wondered if there will ever be a relaxing of all the security measures since everyone realizes it's a huge facade. Then I realize there are way too many vested interests and an entire federal bureaucracy now dedicated to maintaining this so it'll never go away Pre-check exists specifically so that the upper-middle-class frequent flyers who could raise enough of a stink about the TSA and their total failure to do anything other than make air travel expensive and inconvenient are never truly inconvenienced enough to do so. And why, pray tell, are you opposed to pre-9/11 levels of airport security? The Secure Cabin concept and air marshalls on flights are the only things that came from 9/11 that's made a difference, and they're never going away. The last Homeland Security tests that were made public (2017) showed a less than 25% success rate on detecting weapons, drugs, and explosives, and earlier FBI tests carried out with only publicly-available knowledge of the systems showed that a well-prepared individual who does basically any research can bring that down to less than 10%. You're not safer because of the TSA, just poorer.
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Plastik posted:And why, pray tell, are you opposed to pre-9/11 levels of airport security? He didn't say he was opposed to pre-9/11 security, just that it'll never go back, because the machine is now in place and people are getting paid.
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Plastik posted:Pre-check exists specifically so that the upper-middle-class frequent flyers who could raise enough of a stink about the TSA and their total failure to do anything other than make air travel expensive and inconvenient are never truly inconvenienced enough to do so. I don't think anyone is opposed to pre-9/11 levels of safety, but the reality is that it's never happening. We can sit here and talk about security theater all day long, but the depressing fact is that a ton of people still think it's saving lives. Doubly so if you're talking to people who fly maybe once every couple of years. I got a huge "what are you trying to hide / if it saves only one life / do you want to make it easy for terrorists" lecture from an idiot cousin of my wife's when I had the temerity to make a joke about idiotic it was not to let me fly out with a normal person sized tube of toothpaste. This isn't an uncommon thing. It's the same people who roll their eyes at not wanting a cop rooting around your trunk at a traffic stop ("what do you have to hide?") or who think Ring doorbells are a great idea because they'll scare criminals away. Basically middle class people afraid of their shadows who trust the government to protect them.
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Bad Munki posted:He didn't say he was opposed to pre-9/11 security, just that it'll never go back, because the machine is now in place and people are getting paid. Whoops! My bad. Cyrano4747 posted:I got a huge "what are you trying to hide / if it saves only one life / do you want to make it easy for terrorists" lecture from an idiot cousin of my wife's when I had the temerity to make a joke about idiotic it was not to let me fly out with a normal person sized tube of toothpaste. This isn't an uncommon thing. I go the hard-line math route with these people. 2.7 million air travellers per day getting inconvenienced by let's say 30 minutes each (it's way more with having to arrive 2 hours before your flight, but let's say 30mins) is 154 person-years wasted by the TSA every single day, or a little under 2 American lifetimes every day. So we do a whole 9/11 every 4 years in TSA lines, assuming every person on the planes was a newborn at the time that they died. Add in the first responders who have died from related problems since and it's every 8. So the TSA does a whole 9/11 every decade by the most conservative math possible and nobody even cares. Not that it convinces anyone ever, but it shuts them up. I also enjoy telling people how many human lifetimes I-4 traffic costs per day, not that anyone will solve that either. Shit Fuckasaurus fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Feb 18, 2020 |
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You also don't want to be the politician that rolls back security right before something bad happens (that may or may not have been stopped by said security).
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Scooter rider was asking for it. Luckily they didn't get turned into paste.
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Plastik posted:Whoops! My bad. Lol. I used to fly a lot as a little kid. My mom would walk me up to the gate, I'd get a little placard around my neck, and an air person (not sure what to call them anymore), would get me onto the plane and off the plane, and my dad would be at the gate when I arrived. Totally impossible to do now, but it ruled for children of divorce. Also being a solo kid on flights was nice cause they'd give me way too many cans of coke and playing cards all the time.
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In many languages blind spot is called "the dead angle" (eg. in German "toter Winkle"). This is a good demonstration of why (don't be fooled by her shoes, she's really dead).
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Nenonen posted:In many languages blind spot is called "the dead angle" (eg. in German "toter Winkle"). This is a good demonstration of why (don't be fooled by her shoes, she's really dead). considering the video is from china, it's less of a dead angle and more of a dead radius those trucks are probably responsible for half the deaths in traffic in china
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I'm showing this to my cat so that she learns why I yell angry human sounds at her EVERY GODDAMN TIME I WALK DOWN THE STAIRS WITH LAUNDRY
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LifeSunDeath posted:Lol. I used to fly a lot as a little kid. My mom would walk me up to the gate, I'd get a little placard around my neck, and an air person (not sure what to call them anymore), would get me onto the plane and off the plane, and my dad would be at the gate when I arrived. Totally impossible to do now, but it ruled for children of divorce. Also being a solo kid on flights was nice cause they'd give me way too many cans of coke and playing cards all the time. It's still possible for a guardian to escort an underage flyer to the gate. You just get a special pass from the airline to get through security. I had to do that for a family friend flying out of JFK a few years back and, aside from figuring out that this was a thing that could be done, it wasn't a major hassle. Passing through security without any luggage, seeing the plane depart from the gate, and leaving the terminal without any luggage was an interesting experience.
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Edward IV posted:It's still possible for a guardian to escort an underage flyer to the gate. You just get a special pass from the airline to get through security. I had to do that for a family friend flying out of JFK a few years back and, aside from figuring out that this was a thing that could be done, it wasn't a major hassle. Passing through security without any luggage, seeing the plane depart from the gate, and leaving the terminal without any luggage was an interesting experience. It's too late, airport man. The bomb was on the child I just sent to terrorize the skies.
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Our test aircraft comes back from a test flight. This is a helicopter, so it's normal for a certain amount of hydraulic fluid, grease, tears of test engineers, and sundry other fluids to be dripping or oozing from many, many places. But this time, the upper controls were all just covered with grease. After a few boxes of rags were used to clean everything up, an brief investigation follows and it was determined that the maintainers used a grease to lubricate the swashplate that was definitely, absolutely, 100% not the one they were supposed to use. Biiiig fuckin' whoops there. Now we're down for a while until they tear the entire rotor hub apart and replace the swashplate. We're also having a safety stand-down tomorrow. I wonder if these two things are connected. Cyrano4747 posted:We can sit here and talk about security theater all day long, but the depressing fact is that a ton of people still think it's saving lives. Doubly so if you're talking to people who fly maybe once every couple of years. I got a huge "what are you trying to hide / if it saves only one life / do you want to make it easy for terrorists" lecture from an idiot cousin of my wife's when I had the temerity to make a joke about idiotic it was not to let me fly out with a normal person sized tube of toothpaste. This isn't an uncommon thing. On one hand, security theater might have a net positive value for that reason: people who would be too scared to fly unless they're convinced by the theater that there's nothing to worry about will drive instead, and since driving is far more dangerous than flying you will get additional traffic deaths. On the other hand, security theater might have a net negative value for a similar reason: people who don't want to deal with it will drive rather than fly and you will get additional traffic deaths. In either case we should be educating people that the TSA is a collective of idiots who wouldn't be able to work the fryer at Burger King without giving themselves third-degree genital burns. and that the entire agency should be dropped into a very dee pit. Phanatic fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Feb 18, 2020 |
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LifeSunDeath posted:Also being a solo kid on flights was nice cause they'd give me way too many cans of coke and playing cards all the time. I grew up as The Child on international long hauls to various (back then) obscure places. The stewards going "Hey kids, want to go say hi to the Captain"? was awesome but is also forever gone. It was probably for the best after that Russian kid crashed and killed everyone on board though. Potrzebie fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Feb 18, 2020 |
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Say, Potrzebie, do you like movies about gladiators?
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Phanatic posted:Our test aircraft comes back from a test flight. This is a helicopter, so it's normal for a certain amount of hydraulic fluid, grease, tears of test engineers, and sundry other fluids to be dripping or oozing from many, many places. But this time, the upper controls were all just covered with grease. I bet test pilots think through a lot of scenarios where they die on the job, and "controls flooded with grease, too slippery to land" seems like one they might not have covered.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7TwBUxxIC0 bad news about your mother's negative ion dildo turns out its full of powdered thorium kept in place by a poorly fitted plug
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Mr. Nice! posted:If it was following the backscatter, it wasn't random. Prior to 2016, the backscatter scanners produced a near perfect image of your naked body that some agent would look at. Because people obviously were pissed when that became public knowledge, TSA switched to their current system. Now the scanner has expected scans of men and women's bodies. Instead of a person looking at you naked, now there is just a small screen that shows a bathroom door figure with a box around the anomaly. It anticipates nothing in your pockets, but if your dick is hanging down instead of being tucked up, for example, it marks it as an object in your pocket. Unless you can pull something out of your pocket, they must pat you down. I've went to supervisors and was told I either consent to the patdown or I don't fly. I know there are trans goons that have ran into the same problem. I agree that it is humiliating every time. The most recent time the agent doing the patdown spit out the minute long preamble about it in seconds because he has to do this poo poo so often. Just went through this flying for work, the guy went through his spiel very quickly, I was like dude I don't loving care, I want to get on my plane and also don't mind the chub, I'm just into older Indian men.
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HOLY poo poo! I seriously feel like 16y/os should not be allowed to drive...letting one loose in a flight deck is just asking for your doom. Squalid posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7TwBUxxIC0 This is scary af. Makes me want to get a geiger counter and run it over everything I own. LifeSunDeath fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Feb 18, 2020 |
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Xaintrailles posted:I bet test pilots think through a lot of scenarios where they die on the job, and "controls flooded with grease, too slippery to land" seems like one they might not have covered. So many test pilot cause of deaths basically come down to “because gently caress you, that’s why” type stuff I don’t think any would be too shocked they’re about to die because their controls are all slick.
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LifeSunDeath posted:HOLY poo poo! I seriously feel like 16y/os should not be allowed to drive...letting one loose in a flight deck is just asking for your doom. Uhh correction, when you're a loving moron it is. I have been in a cockpit many times during flight, hell I used to fly in the jump seat a lot (do they still have jump seats up there for non-revs?), I have even sat in the captain's chair once or twice; I am not the survivor nor the cause of any plane crashes. Pre-9/11 was a wonderful world when your family worked in the airlines (my father was a captain and mother a flight attendant, both being among the top 500 senior people at the company) fly everywhere for free, other than paying depature tax to go out of the country ($20ish) and you were almost always assured a seat because all flights to X location in a day were rarely full; often those empty seats were in first class because they didn't have rewards programs then so people weren't getting bumped up, so you got to fly up front with people that liked you because they knew you were family. MF_James fucked around with this message at 22:42 on Feb 18, 2020 |
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LifeSunDeath posted:HOLY poo poo! I seriously feel like 16y/os should not be allowed to drive...letting one loose in a flight deck is just asking for your doom. looking into shady chinese products is an awful rabbit hole of mislabeled poisons. Like this one, where some makeup reviewer checks out some weird chinese nail polish: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28W5DNBVfa0 A chemist in the comments suggests that it is probably dichloromethane (DCM). According to wikipedia, DCM is volatile and can be absorbed through the skin, is acutely toxic and carcinogenic, and it can cross the placental barrier and potentially impact fetuses.
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MF_James posted:Uhh correction, when you're a loving moron it is. drat that's awesome. My mom was a platinum status business flyer so I got to fly free all the time too. Seriously miss how casual flying could be before 9/11. I flew from SC to LAX a month or so after 9/11 and it was so scary, the airport was full of military dudes with rifles...then came the dreaded TSA, ugh.
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Squalid posted:looking into shady chinese products is an awful rabbit hole of mislabeled poisons. Like this one, where some makeup reviewer checks out some weird chinese nail polish: It smells like hot and icey and makes your skin feel really soft and clean. I miss being able to bring stuff to work to strip grease and paint. Our tanks were large enough that we had a jib crane to load the hoist that loaded the parts into the tanks. Heated DCM with an (iirc) 1kw ultrasonic really does a fine job. People used to say it's ok to use that stuff outdoors with a respirator. OSHA disagrees and says the only approved solution is scuba or supplied air respirators.
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Potrzebie posted:I grew up as The Child on international long hauls to various (back then) obscure places. The stewards going "Hey kids, want to go say hi to the Captain"? was awesome but is also forever gone. It was probably for the best after that Russian kid crashed and killed everyone on board though. They didn't notice that the plane banked 45 degrees while letting the kids gently caress around with the flight controls?
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Ugly In The Morning posted:So many test pilot cause of deaths basically come down to “because gently caress you, that’s why” type stuff I don’t think any would be too shocked they’re about to die because their controls are all slick. By “upper controls” I meant the various actuators and linkages that transmit the control inputs up to the rotor blades, not that grease was spewing all over the sticks why they were flying. Something like that would definitely be a “land right now,” we’re not savages. 
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Wikipedia posted:This confused the pilots for nine seconds, I love technical breakdowns like this  Cojawfee posted:They didn't notice that the plane banked 45 degrees while letting the kids gently caress around with the flight controls? As the plane changes its bank and begins to descend, the added g-forces from the bank are countered by the loss from altitude more-or-less right up until they leap from "something is a little wrong maybe" to "  " in a second or two
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Squalid posted:looking into shady chinese products is an awful rabbit hole of mislabeled poisons. Like this one, where some makeup reviewer checks out some weird chinese nail polish: This is pretty much why I stopped buying anything off Amazon.
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MF_James posted:I am not the survivor nor the cause of any plane crashes. Suspicious wording there. So you know, ghost-posting is still a bannable offense in the grey forums.
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A bad dad joke made worse by the subject matter math. A mathematician was well know to have a fear of flying, specifically he was afraid that there would be a bomb on the plane that would explode and kill everyone. One of his colleagues sees him at a conference in LA just days after he gave a speech in New York City. Amazed, she went and asked him how he conquered his fear. “Well, you see I calculated the odds of there being a bomb on the plane it was low but still unacceptably high. Then I calculated the odds of there being two bombs on a plane and the odds where so small as to be almost infinitesimal.” “So the answer was simple, I just bring my own bomb.” Thank you, thank you I will be here all week.
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Potrzebie posted:I grew up as The Child on international long hauls to various (back then) obscure places. The stewards going "Hey kids, want to go say hi to the Captain"? was awesome but is also forever gone. It was probably for the best after that Russian kid crashed and killed everyone on board though. When we flew international last year our kids got invited in to the cockpit to meet the pilots. We had to wait until after landing and pretty much everyone had got off then the kids were allowed in and were shown the controls etc but not touch them. They were then given some pictures to colour in and sent on our way. Phanatic posted:In either case we should be educating people that the TSA is a collective of idiots who wouldn't be able to work the fryer at Burger King without giving themselves third-degree genital burns. and that the entire agency should be dropped into a very dee pit.
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Squalid posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7TwBUxxIC0 You can still buy Antistatic brushes with Polonium 210 inside, and apparently they work great https://amstat.com/products/anti-static-brush-with-ionizing-cartridge-1.html https://www.orau.org/ptp/collection/consumer%20products/staticeliminator.htm
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