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Pick posted:sisko would have demanded that they be destroyed You want to be gods? Then BE gods! Keep Janeway away from me!
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Voyager left before the Dominion War but they left after the Federation was already aware that the Gamma Quadrant was Dominion territory. It's possible that they even left after contact with the Changelings had been directly established on their homeworld, but it's impossible to know because DS9 doesn't do captain's logs with stardates and Voyager doesn't do continuity so none of its scenes on DS9 (the station) involve DS9 (the show).
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Fabulousity posted:Not really revenge, no. Chang really, really wanted Kirk as a notch on his warrior belt. He'd be "a good get" as they say. While I'm glad that Saavik did not end up being the traitor because I like her, I can see why she would follow along with the conspiracy. She had a front row seat of Klingon cruelty when Klingopher Lloyd killed her shipmates, murdered David Marcus, and tried to turn the Genesis Project into a WMD. Furthermore, if Klingon warriors were willing to betray the one chancellor that campaigned for peace, then logic might dictate that it would be better to allow the conflict to play out to it's most likely end: the death of the Klingon Empire and survival of the United Federation of Planets. That being said, that mind meld is incredibly uncomfortable. However, it's not enough to diminish the awesomeness of the movie and DeForest Kelley chewing the scenery like a madman.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TedCLj44kZA
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Danaru posted:
Seeing that in my recommendations on yt made me sad. Its almost as bad as 'y didnt voyageeer use toimetravel and stop themselvs from going to delta kuadrant hurrr durrr' (ps legit once read a reddit post with that opinion)
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rly makes u think
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Read the post riiight above yours No
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AntherUslessPoster posted:Seeing that in my recommendations on yt made me sad. That was the Harry Kim episode where he decided to restore the timeline and leave his fiancée alone in order to be stranded. Still not sure why.
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Feb 20, 2020 15:11
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Xenocides posted:That was the Harry Kim episode where he decided to restore the timeline and leave his fiancée alone in order to be stranded. Still not sure why. To save his one true love. . . Paris.
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Feb 20, 2020 15:13
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I guess Harry just accepted his fate of forever ensign
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Feb 20, 2020 15:19
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AntherUslessPoster posted:I guess Harry just accepted his fate of forever ensign This is Harry learning he now has to make 125 to collect a full ensign's pension. . . which is 2 replicator credits per day and 1 holodeck slot every 4th month.
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Feb 20, 2020 15:24
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Bogus Adventure posted:While I'm glad that Saavik did not end up being the traitor because I like her, I can see why she would follow along with the conspiracy. She had a front row seat of Klingon cruelty when Klingopher Lloyd killed her shipmates, murdered David Marcus, and tried to turn the Genesis Project into a WMD. Furthermore, if Klingon warriors were willing to betray the one chancellor that campaigned for peace, then logic might dictate that it would be better to allow the conflict to play out to it's most likely end: the death of the Klingon Empire and survival of the United Federation of Planets. There was supposed to be an arc with Saavik carrying Spock’s baby from his Pon Farr and a plan to have a pregnant Saavik shown in Star Trek IV but it got thrown out. While the mind meld was uncomfortable I think it was a good example of a hard choice that Spock just went with. He did not consult with anyone or drag them in, most likely so he alone carried the responsibility. It just had to be done. It was logical and the needs of the many and all that.
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Feb 20, 2020 15:25
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Xenocides posted:There was supposed to be an arc with Saavik carrying Spock’s baby from his Pon Farr and a plan to have a pregnant Saavik shown in Star Trek IV but it got thrown out. Nimoy (as the director) wrote into the script an unsimulated sex scene between Spock and Saavik, which caused Kirstie Alley to drop out of Star Trek III. When Nimoy heard that Robin Curtis would be taking over the part he did a rapid re-write.
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Feb 20, 2020 15:51
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Blistex posted:Nimoy (as the director) wrote into the script an unsimulated sex scene between Spock and Saavik, which caused Kirstie Alley to drop out of Star Trek III. When Nimoy heard that Robin Curtis would be taking over the part he did a rapid re-write. lol
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Feb 20, 2020 15:58
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i don't really know what an ensign is
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Feb 20, 2020 16:30
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how are engineering and worf the same colour but science is different? wtf?
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Feb 20, 2020 16:32
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For that matter why does the helmsman have the same color as the captain?
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Feb 20, 2020 16:37
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command operations science its actually p easy....
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Feb 20, 2020 16:43
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the real question is what color the whales in cetacean ops would wear red
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GolfHole posted:command Yeah but why is The Guy That Steers command?
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Gutcruncher posted:Yeah but why is The Guy That Steers command? He's commanding the ship through space
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Gutcruncher posted:Yeah but why is The Guy That Steers command? He commands the boat
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GolfHole posted:the real question is what color the whales in cetacean ops would wear show cetacean ops coward picard show
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probably just a holo-seaman with the edgelord captain's face
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oh but seriously I posted:i don't really know what an ensign is It's a flag. When you're an ensign I n additional to normal crew duties you are also expected to hang off the flag pole it the stern of the ship as a means of visual identification of your ship's allegiance. Really poor writing on the part of all of Star Trek to not include this quaint portion of naval tradition.
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Star Trek's never been too consistent about rank except when sometimes borrowing straight from military experience- DS9 I think is one of the only ones that makes the enlisted/officer divide explicit. But long story short, Ensign is the lowest officer rank, someone who's been given a commission and given the privileges and responsibilities to match; in Starfleet, that generally means having been trained and educated in Starfleet Academy, though in some cases like Kira they seem to consider equivalent experience valid. (Of course, hard to say how honorary Kira's rank was due to it being basically a political ploy to get her into a uniform the Cardassians aren't as hostile to) While O'Brien is senior enlisted in contrast, being basically a Warrant Officer/Petty Officer (I think his rank at the end is Master Chief Petty Officer. Yes, that's where the Halo guy's name comes from) which is basically a rank specifically for people who can't or don't want to be given a commission but are respected and serve in important roles, like engineering. Ensign is basically the lowest rank that would be regular bridge crew on the Enterprise outside of special cases; as Nog said, he might technically be captain if no one else was availaible, though O'Brien says that by the time he's in command there would be no one left to take his orders. (Which Valiant of course tragically makes prophetic. Of course, technically, as soon as he steps onto a ship with only cadets he should have been in charge, though it's unlikely that would have worked) Command is basically giving the orders and deciding where the ship is going to go and what it's going to do, which makes it fitting that the helm is command because they're such an integral part of that. Operations is about carrying those orders out and making sure the ship is in the position to do so, with security maintaining order and protecting from boarders and saboteurs and such, while Engineering does active mechanical operation, maintenance and repair. Science kinda does its own thing and gathers and provides relevant information to command, which in Star Trek means doing space magic on occasion. And Medical obv does healing stuff, though given medicine is a science it has logical overlap with that. As divisions of duties go, it's fairly sensible.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Star Trek's never been too consistent about rank except when sometimes borrowing straight from military experience- DS9 I think is one of the only ones that makes the enlisted/officer divide explicit. But long story short, Ensign is the lowest officer rank, someone who's been given a commission and given the privileges and responsibilities to match; in Starfleet, that generally means having been trained and educated in Starfleet Academy, though in some cases like Kira they seem to consider equivalent experience valid. (Of course, hard to say how honorary Kira's rank was due to it being basically a political ploy to get her into a uniform the Cardassians aren't as hostile to) While O'Brien is senior enlisted in contrast, being basically a Warrant Officer/Petty Officer (I think his rank at the end is Master Chief Petty Officer. Yes, that's where the Halo guy's name comes from) which is basically a rank specifically for people who can't or don't want to be given a commission but are respected and serve in important roles, like engineering. Ensign is basically the lowest rank that would be regular bridge crew on the Enterprise outside of special cases; as Nog said, he might technically be captain if no one else was availaible, though O'Brien says that by the time he's in command there would be no one left to take his orders. (Which Valiant of course tragically makes prophetic. Of course, technically, as soon as he steps onto a ship with only cadets he should have been in charge, though it's unlikely that would have worked) You're forgetting that people wear the colours that they look best in.
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oh but seriously I posted:show cetacean ops coward picard show
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Gutcruncher posted:Yeah but why is The Guy That Steers command? The helmsman is a senior officer just by the fact they're directly responsible for the wellbeing of EVERYONE onboard, and it's mimicking a naval/airforce career path that loosely goes pilot -> officer -> commanding officer. They'd also probably need command authority to be able to directly make requests or orders on to Engineering (divert power, etc) or navigation.
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except sometimes wesley did it, so who the gently caress knows
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and they definitely had a blue shirt or two in that chair helm is more like a duty red shirts in that chair are just clocking flight hours
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Why do they even have that guy when 99% of the time the computer can drive? “Plot a course to so-and-so” must be the equivalent of clicking a place on google maps
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Feb 20, 2020 17:47
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EvilTaytoMan posted:You're forgetting that people wear the colours that they look best in. That's also a thing. Of course, as it's repeatedly been joked, the constant loving around with uniforms is by fear the most realistic and relatable part of Star Trek in the experience of real military.
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Prism Mirror Lens posted:Why do they even have that guy when 99% of the time the computer can drive? “Plot a course to so-and-so” must be the equivalent of clicking a place on google maps You just have to put that thought out of your mind, or the whole setting starts to break down. It's just like "why don't they do X with the transporter" every time there is a fight. We've seen the computer, at some point in time, perform basically every single function that any of bio crew ever did. You just have to accept that even though it sure seems like the computer could operate the whole ship without any trouble and just pull in for maintenance once in a while, it can't and it takes several hundred people to run it for reasons.
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Prism Mirror Lens posted:Why do they even have that guy when 99% of the time the computer can drive? “Plot a course to so-and-so” must be the equivalent of clicking a place on google maps I like to think that even hundreds of years into the future, we haven't solved autopilot suddenly trying to kill you.
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Most jobs on the ship require constant decision making or physical presence at least. But helmsman is just the second most lovely boring job after whatever O’Brien’s job title is when he’s the transporter guy and he just stands alone in a room all day
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I always liked how the justification for why you can dress up your bridge officers in STO was Starfleet basically going "look shits all hosed up, if itll increase morale wear a loving Borat speedo for all we care"
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Feb 20, 2020 17:56
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star trek: borat
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Prism Mirror Lens posted:Most jobs on the ship require constant decision making or physical presence at least. But helmsman is just the second most lovely boring job after whatever O’Brien’s job title is when he’s the transporter guy and he just stands alone in a room all day They're there for the same reason you have proper IT support; 95% of the time they're doing mundane poo poo, but you keep them for the 5% of the tim where you need someone skilled to un-gently caress a potential catastrophe.
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Planes nowadays basically fly themselves (even for landing and takeoff I believe) but the pilots are still there for some reason. Like there is the very real possibility that within a decade the pilots of planes will just get in, sit down, press a button, and wait until the flight is over.
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piratepilates posted:Planes nowadays basically fly themselves (even for landing and takeoff I believe) but the pilots are still there for some reason. Like there is the very real possibility that within a decade the pilots of planes will just get in, sit down, press a button, and wait until the flight is over. Unless it's a Tesla plane. 
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