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I think the whole casino planet stuff would've landed better without the gore in the beginning and maybe if it was in a later season, assuming those happen. I liked the EMH bit where he showed up and switched from psychological emergency mode to "What is your medical emergency" when he noticed what was happening. It's a little weird though because he automatically activates for when you're stressed out but not for when you're dying? Or it has a higher priority? The Elnor bits were pretty good and made me laugh a few times.
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I like the ensemble on this show a lot more than I expected. I kind of didn't even notice Picard didn't have that much screen time in this one.
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Feb 21, 2020 06:27
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oh but seriously I posted:now i gotta watch the rest of this bullshit show to find out what the terrible secret of space is but if they string out the mystery past the end of the season i am done. honestly it would be a mercy I just hope we get to see more gruesome human vivisections. I know that's why I used to tune in to Star Trek: The Next Generation. Not to mention people who hate each other, drug addicts living in meth trailers, grotesque material inequality, and murdererous cutthroats eager to torture and kill motivated solely by greed. I guess it's kind-of a relief to find out that better things simply aren't possible: people are poo poo today and we'll be poo poo in a few hundred years for many of the same reasons. The show and its creators are suffer from an absolutely appalling failure of imagination: they're aping The Expanse, Battlestar Galactica, Bladerunner, Star Wars, The Fifth Element-- basically every major scifi franchise but Star Trek. It doesn't follow the core premise of Star Trek: exploring analogues to contemporary problems and dilemmas in a future where humanity really has grown out of its infancy. Instead, the future is pretty much more poo poo like the present, but with borg tech and replicators. Capitalism goes on because that's just how it is. Who can imagine anything different? That's kids' stuff.
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Feb 21, 2020 06:55
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It's so within character for Seven to go completely off the loving reservation for something emotional. I think she's just picked up some affectations, but she is still herself. I was kind of expecting the Borg implants to sprout out again and have her adapt like she did several times in VOY. She was always someone just as terrifying as Data w/r/t going absolutely insane. To the people complaining about body horror, have you never seen Star Trek? Star Trek has had a weird fetish with horrible body horror since the 60's
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Feb 21, 2020 06:59
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If only we could return to the idealism of a show that opened by showing us the Post-Atomic Horror.
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Feb 21, 2020 07:07
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Noise Complaint posted:It's so within character for Seven to go completely off the loving reservation for something emotional. I think she's just picked up some affectations, but she is still herself. I was kind of expecting the Borg implants to sprout out again and have her adapt like she did several times in VOY. She was always someone just as terrifying as Data w/r/t going absolutely insane. Well, Seven did have the eyebrow thing going on with the implant. And she always did come across as potentially extremely dangerous. I liked it. There were lots of good character moments, It was kind of tonally all over the place, but it worked. Two-Take Frakes did a great job directing. Taking an episode off from bullshit on the Artifact helped, but it looks like next week we might get some of the good stuff there.
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Feb 21, 2020 07:10
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Seems like the theme of the show is "stuff goes to poo poo at exactly the moment good people throw their hands up and quit." It kind of reminds me of that speech at the end of "The Drumhead": "Eternal vigilance, Mr. Worf that's the price we must pay." Its a cautionary tale about what happens when we withdraw too far into ourselves, politically and personally. It's not TNG or high art but it's a relevant enough theme for the times. Are there better ones out there? Yeah probably but I am okay with it so far. Drink-Mix Man fucked around with this message at 07:20 on Feb 21, 2020 |
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Feb 21, 2020 07:16
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Noise Complaint posted:It's so within character for Seven to go completely off the loving reservation for something emotional. I think she's just picked up some affectations, but she is still herself. I was kind of expecting the Borg implants to sprout out again and have her adapt like she did several times in VOY. She was always someone just as terrifying as Data w/r/t going absolutely insane. Or in TMP. Within the first half hour there’s a horrifying transporter malfunction that includes agonized transporter-modulated screaming and the phrase “Enterprise, what we got back didn’t live very long... thankfully.”
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Feb 21, 2020 07:41
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Hey, what do you think that guy was talking about when he referred to Seven as not being one of the "new ones" in regards to Borg?
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Feb 21, 2020 07:58
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So like whose desk did the entire DS9 cast and crew poo poo on to never get any mention whatsoever in any star trek materials after 1999. Good lord.
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Feb 21, 2020 08:16
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There was a Quark mention in the most recent episode. “Mr Quark of Ferenginar” is mentioned as one of Rios’s references for getting the job.
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Feb 21, 2020 08:17
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Quuuuaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrk
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Feb 21, 2020 08:18
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gently caress I missed it well time to go rewatch it. I would literally sell my soul for a quark cameo tho
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Feb 21, 2020 08:19
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Hey, what do you think that guy was talking about when he referred to Seven as not being one of the "new ones" in regards to Borg? Something dumb or nothing are my guesses. Or the Borg aren't actually a collective anymore and they're actually a socialist group that only seemed to be a hivemind because of how strong their party loyalty was, and the revolution kinda waned in the Borg's hearts and they're just not into it as much anymore and so now the Borgs are just kinda shoving random stuff into their newly assimilated victims as a shocking and inventive new depiction of leftist ideology as inherently self-defeating from the visionary team of "bunch of millionaires hired by more millionaires to make as much money as possible". I laughed surprisingly frequently during this episode, especially during the cartoonish body horror and the insane idea that I should be invested. They start the episode with this for just the audience, people who don't need the information, only to then repeat it because hey guess what the loving characters in the show don't know it so uh ... let's just show it again we're getting paid for this. The Star Wars bar scene was very good and that everyone was human was cool. It's great that having a larger budget compared to old treks still means nothing goes to like, sets or makeup or costumes or whatever. How fanciful and strange a place this is, it's like a horrible club that's trying too hard in the strange, distant lands of Buffalo. It really shows that the setting is what they said it was: crazy, unregulated, strange, different, exciting, etc. What shallow horseshit this show is. I'm shocked to find out Brian "Baby Boy" Brophy hasn't died. I was sure of it, for some reason. I'm glad for that at least.
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Feb 21, 2020 08:29
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Hey, what do you think that guy was talking about when he referred to Seven as not being one of the "new ones" in regards to Borg? I guess it means drones assimilated in the present need fewer implants, so they have less poo poo to strip. That doesn't make much sense because newer drones should have better tech in them anyway. They could always say "the new drones use more nanobots for things and we can't use those" or some such horseshit.
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Feb 21, 2020 08:32
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Giggs posted:The Star Wars bar scene was very good and that everyone was human was cool. It's great that having a larger budget compared to old treks still means nothing goes to like, sets or makeup or costumes or whatever. How fanciful and strange a place this is, it's like a horrible club that's trying too hard in the strange, distant lands of Buffalo. Would you rather it be like the bar scene at the end of discovery season 1 where everyone is an Orion and there are sex workers you can pay to have threesomes with?
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Feb 21, 2020 08:37
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Lister posted:Would you rather it be like the bar scene at the end of discovery season 1 where everyone is an Orion and there are sex workers you can pay to have threesomes with? Ugh, orions agaaaiiin?. At least throw in something sexy and creative, like an duck with arms that's blue and named "cum" or "butt killer" or something, like real scifi. I do not remember said bar scene but I'm sure it was pointless and horrible.
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Giggs posted:Ugh, orions agaaaiiin?. At least throw in something sexy and creative, like an duck with arms that's blue and named "cum" or "butt killer" or something, like real scifi. And by the 24th century once you have holodecks a pile of Orions is going to be more vanilla than whatever you get to after, like, hour two.
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Feb 21, 2020 09:13
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Hey, what do you think that guy was talking about when he referred to Seven as not being one of the "new ones" in regards to Borg? That guy, who is Jean Luc Picard, says what it means in the very next sentence. He helpfully repeats this explaination a second time when they meet Bjayzl.
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Feb 21, 2020 09:26
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adaz posted:gently caress I missed it well time to go rewatch it. Also when Rios beams into Freecloud, one of the signs says Quark’s Bar. So he’s turned his little shitheap dive on DS9 into a galaxy spanning franchise in the last 20 years.
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Feb 21, 2020 09:33
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i hope we get an entire episode about mot next e: i heard one of my co-workers saying that they thought picard was a great show. maybe we're the only ones who think this is terrible!?
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Acer Pilot posted:i hope we get an entire episode about mot next Just a reminder, this thread is the nexus of the Venn diagram that is TVIV and the Star Trek fandom, two of the bitchiest, most umimpressible collectives of bores on the modern internet. Your Milage May Vary significantly between what this thread thinks of Picard and what Normal People think of Picard (they seem to really like it, fyi).
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I think killing Icheb made me love this stupid show, it isn't at all the Star Trek I like but man what a gently caress you to the character and the original actor who they recast. Maybe they'll throw Wesley Crusher out of an airlock next week?
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I have issues with the show but I still like it, and I also don’t think Star Trek is dead, but hey what do I know? 
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Duckula posted:I think killing Icheb made me love this stupid show, it isn't at all the Star Trek I like but man what a gently caress you to the character and the original actor who they recast. The original actor has been a total shitheel recently, including telling Anthony Rapp to 'stop whining' after he reported abuse by Kevin Spacey. Recasting him and then killing his character in the most brutal way was what he deserved.
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Acer Pilot posted:i hope we get an entire episode about mot next nine-gear crow posted:Just a reminder, this thread is the nexus of the Venn diagram that is TVIV and the Star Trek fandom, two of the bitchiest, most umimpressible collectives of bores on the modern internet. Your Milage May Vary significantly between what this thread thinks of Picard and what Normal People think of Picard (they seem to really like it, fyi). quote:https://www.gamespot.com/reviews/star-trek-picard-episode-5-review-a-successful-rear end/1900-6417413/
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Binary Logic posted:Gamespot review Lol, of all the positive reviews to pick you went with the CBS subsidiary e: this isn't to suggest that Picard isn't actually being largely well received, it certainly is. But seriously who cares what general audiences think? I don't agree with a lot of what "geek culture" finds compelling. As long as it doesn't poo poo itself to a scale visible from orbit like Game of Thrones, most niche genre shows are going to be largely well received by the subset of general audience that watches them. Especially before a show gets to the end of the story it's telling and people look back with a bit of hindsight. Anyone who seeks validation in critical consensus or angry "true fan" dissenters is probably more concerned with in group posturing. I got no time for them. Lizard Combatant fucked around with this message at 12:51 on Feb 21, 2020 |
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thrawn527 posted:How would the assumed secret reveal work, anyway? How would synths become the Borg? The Borg aren't synthetic people, they're biological beings with cybernetic implants. Which is really loving different. Like, would it be synths who decided all of humanity needed "upgrading", and by now all the old synths have died out and only bio Borg remain? That...doesn't really seem like a logical series of events, and certainly shouldn't be seen as the "natural end result of synths". it doesnt even make sense given what we know already of the Borg too, for example in Voyager we learn that Vulcans have the Borg designation of Species 3259 and Romulans as Species 3783, if the latter ones would have been their creators their designation number should be a sub-10 one (as we can likely assume that members from their species would be among the first to be classified and assimilated) Teron D Amun fucked around with this message at 12:06 on Feb 21, 2020 |
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Teron D Amun posted:it doesnt even make sense given what we know already of the Borg too, for example in Voyager we learn that Vulcans have the Borg designation of Species 3259 and Romulans as Species 3783, if the latter ones would have been their creators their designation number should be a sub-10 one (as we can likely assume that members from their species would be among the first to be classified and assimilated) It's going to be time travel bullshit that will somehow involve the events of First Contact, some lovely retcon and it will be tied to season 3 of Discovery in some awful way.
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Angry Salami posted:The original actor has been a total shitheel recently, including telling Anthony Rapp to 'stop whining' after he reported abuse by Kevin Spacey. Recasting him and then killing his character in the most brutal way was what he deserved. This makes his death even better.
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Okay I had to go and find the actor who played Icheb and holy poo poo this Twitter thread. Who knew people cared about this shitheel? https://twitter.com/ManuIntiraymi/status/1230623232010551296?s=19 Duckula fucked around with this message at 12:31 on Feb 21, 2020 |
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Feb 21, 2020 12:27
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Only problem with the Quark reference was that that alien rear end in a top hat guy mispronounced his name! 
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FlamingLiberal posted:Episode 5 thoughts The inconsistency seemed to already be introduced in the Voyager episode where Ferengi are trying to steal Seven's nanoprobes using a long-distance scam where they replace the EMH with their own program. There was never a curious black market whenever the opportunity the Borg showed up any other time, so I assumed that Federation law enforcement had to have been dealing with vultures off-screen as aftermath after every Borg episode Edit: This comment was really dumb and probably borne out of an attempt to be overly agreeable galenanorth fucked around with this message at 14:01 on Feb 21, 2020 |
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Ok here it goes: -Original Icheb's actor is an asscrack and tried to capitalize on Anthony Rapp vs Kevin Spacey scandal. I don't know if Icheb was rewritten after the fact or written to hurt the actor, but drat that was loving nasty. ps his twitter has verified mark and Tim Russ' doesn't. Fuckers! Verify Tim Russ, man deserves it! pps what shows that he's in fact a real life rear end in a top hat is the fact that his main role as Icheb was about being born and used to be abused and assimilated by borg. How he didn't get the lesson from his character is unknown to me. I'd imagine people like him would at least be compassionate to victims like Anthony. -An episode of ST:Picard where Picard himself says what, 10 lines? Huh? -Whole episode happened. It just happened. Is it a sign that Picard is a naive old man much like Elnor but old? I don't know but everything is just happening around JL and he witnesses it just like we do. -Scene in the cube became the series of flashback cuts back and forth. Dapper feathered hat is as cool detail as pacing is in this episode. Frakes knows his directing as he knows his sexual maneuvers. Also shows us how insignificant the cube scenes were for the series at all. All the incestous pair of undergrad spies storyline is a foofaraw. -Villain Picard is just coincidental capitalization on the 'french translator pronunciation meme'. Was out of place but hilarious. -Are we still pretending? -Picard beaming 7/9 down with two phaser rifles right to the same room was...idiotic? Does this show (yet again) that Picard is naive or it's a writers mistake is unknown. Hope it all, at least indirectly, has an explanation. I didn't sign to watch a season of "Picard is a naive old man and cruel world is happening around him because he never saw it or accepted it because he was the creme de la creme of Starfleet". -Very explanatory and vivid scene of Raffaela and her son. MAN THIS loving HURTS MORE THAN THE EYE SCENE. Real. Perfect. r/raisedbynarcissists would be proud. -Jurati's meltdowns are natural, are a dead giveaway and were a nice foreshadowing. BUT! The Secret should be so loving huge because if it's not the whole season would be a worse flop than GoT. -Picard didn't ask Maddox The Most Important Question if there more synths like DahjiSoji exist. Though Jurati will report back to Oh where they are heading, I'm sure. -Here should be the usual incestous scene, but we didn't get one! Thank you Jonathan Frakes! -Is Jurati planning to kill herself after they deal with Soji? I hope so. Or Seven blows her head off. -Raffi? welcome back Shooo shweet I almost cried happy tears. A bit too emotional but for fucks sake its Picard we are talking here about! I can't take it with cold rationalism. Ask me in ten years for rational opinion. I rate this episode Mot's hair emporium on a Dabo table across the road from Quarks bar out of ten 'french' memes. Neat. Except first minute - neat. Erulisse fucked around with this message at 13:28 on Feb 21, 2020 |
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It was Raffi's best episode, all the Raffi scenes were great, and they make her appearances in early episodes better by providing more context.
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galenanorth posted:The inconsistency seemed to already be introduced in the Voyager episode where Ferengi are trying to steal Seven's nanoprobes using a long-distance scam where they replace the EMH with their own program. There was never a curious black market whenever the opportunity the Borg showed up any other time, so I assumed that Federation law enforcement had to have been dealing with vultures off-screen as aftermath after every Borg episode Is this something that needs to be 'explained'? When would anyone have had access to Borg technology to sell on the black market before that?
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'Nobody wrote an episode about this' is not inconsistency. Maybe theres a story about how the federation has an advantage from being able to salvage and research two exploded cubes on Earth's doorstep and the Klingons and Romulans are upset about this, but nobody wrote that story and the star trek universe isnt a real thing that exists independently of the stories that have been written, so we'll never know.
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Before Voy came back with all the futuretech™ Borgs were the most advanced 'race' technologically. This shouldn't be really explained because 1. Ferengi can and will sell anything if there's profit. Even the ashes. 2. We never saw 99.9% of anything that happens in the galaxy. Most stuff is offscreen so extrapolating 'we were never shown that so this is inconsistent' is dumb. Here, they showed this now. Satisfied?
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