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SCheeseman posted:Importing is a pain in the rear end and can be expensive, but it's still more economical to import a cheap-rear end WMR headset than it is to buy a HTC HMD locally and I'd take a WMR headset over any of the inside-out tracking Cosmos variants any day. The Lenovo Explorer I found was like $90 opened but unused display model, which I think is a pretty good deal. All peripherals and box contents included. You could find something for like $60 used I bet, another $60 for importing.
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EbolaIvory posted:Do you know the market outside of the US/Canada/UK really? I live in Australia, I know EXACTLY what it's like trying to import a large package. Even just my Index controllers were $80AUD in shipping fees. An extra $100-$150AUD on a Vive, a Rift model, or even a WMR headset, is still gonna save someone easily a big chunk of cash versus a Cosmos model.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:
Sounds plausible. On the Oculus counterpart you're probably actually buying and playing games instead of leaving it in the box unused.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:I live in Australia, I know EXACTLY what it's like trying to import a large package. Even just my Index controllers were $80AUD in shipping fees. An extra $100-$150AUD on a Vive, a Rift model, or even a WMR headset, is still gonna save someone easily a big chunk of cash versus a Cosmos model. Yeah so you know how it can be trying to get something serviced when you imported it on top of paying an assload to import it. Aussie dollarydoos are a joke atm, One of my buddies lives there and him going "Yeah my pc build was 5 digits dude", made me really realize how insane that is there. Wages seem to offset it some, but holy gently caress. LOL Tip posted:
Fun fact, Viveport and VIVE are 2 different entities and Viveport is trying to distance itself as a stand alone VR store, not VIVEs software headquarters. VP is device agnostic now a days. Oculus SDKs, whole 9 yards.
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EbolaIvory posted:Yeah so you know how it can be trying to get something serviced when you imported it on top of paying an assload to import it. Whoever told you they spent "five digits" on a PC is very bad with money. You'd be hard-pressed to break about $4-5k at most on a top-end gaming desktop, and that's getting EVERYTHING from case to monitor and gaming kb/m AND not giving a poo poo about how much you're spending. Most people aren't thinking warranty-first on a purchase. An imported WMR/Vive/Rift is a better budget purchase, than a locally-bought Cosmos that does the same thing, in places where just having a VR-ready machine is a luxury.
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Senator Drinksalot posted:The Wonderswan was 40 dollars at launch, not 900. Terrible comparison Gameboy was $99 at launch 
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EbolaIvory posted:Yeah so you know how it can be trying to get something serviced when you imported it on top of paying an assload to import it. Nfi how the gently caress someone is spending 10 grand on a pc here. You can get a 2080ti for 1800.
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Hadlock posted:Gameboy was $99 at launch $99 is not comparable to a $900 purchase. If anything you're arguing against yourself by saying cheaper == better, because importing a headset's probably still gonna be cheaper than even the standard $700USD Cosmos. At-par at the very worst, and you're still getting a headset whose tracking doesn't suck. It's also not the 1990's anymore either and literally just about everyone shops online foe something or other. It's why the Australian government tries to tax imported goods, because it's often cheaper to get stuff online overseas than at our retail prices and the retail chains haaaaated Amazon setting foot on our soil to rumble their scams.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Whoever told you they spent "five digits" on a PC is very bad with money. You'd be hard-pressed to break about $4-5k at most on a top-end gaming desktop, and that's getting EVERYTHING from case to monitor and gaming kb/m AND not giving a poo poo about how much you're spending. Shoefish posted:Nfi how the gently caress someone is spending 10 grand on a pc here. You can get a 2080ti for 1800. Whats your retail on titans? Titans, aint cheap. Custom water loops, etc etc. It wasn't a "budget build". He literally named it "the dream" and went ham. He does nothing half assed, its quite the sight really. He also has a full motion rig for racing, as well as a skyline he actually races. Dudes nuts. Love him. I understand your situation in aussieland, I do, But its not the same in these other countries where getting an index or oculus isnt easy. Also target markets differ man. The content for example, for VR in other countries really isn't the same as what we consider content. Theres TONS of stuff that exists for headsets outside of our normal realm of stuff. The learning applications, random experiences, odd dating sims, just lots of things that don't require some amazing tracking setup. Its kind of wild. These headsets, fill a "need" in those markets where grabbing an oculus or something isn't as simple as going to the store, and or grabbing one of of amazon. Keep in mind I'm not saying its a great headset. I'm not saying its something WE should buy as people who already have things like the index or whatever, but for a ton of places it makes sense.
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EbolaIvory posted:Keep in mind I'm not saying its a great headset. I'm not saying its something WE should buy as people who already have things like the index or whatever, but for a ton of places it makes sense. It makes sense for someone with a way lower average income than most of us to buy an enthusiast's hobby device that's way more expensive than most of us would buy? People do not have unlimited disposable income to blow on VR, and the Cosmos is stupidly expensive for just the regular model, let alone the Elite. You're also inferring there are already headsets available to them through some means or other, which are almost certainly going to be several hundred USD cheaper than the Cosmos and fulfill the same usage criteria.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:It makes sense for someone with a way lower average income than most of us to buy an enthusiast's hobby device that's way more expensive than most of us would buy? People do not have unlimited disposable income to blow on VR, and the Cosmos is stupidly expensive for just the regular model, let alone the Elite. You keep saying "USD". Stop ignoring the fact theres other places that exist that VR is big and getting an index or oculus is a pain in the rear end or near impossible.
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EbolaIvory posted:You keep saying "USD". Yes, the currency people in this thread either actively use, or at least are able to quickly convert against without googling for a currency converter.
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Ebolaivory, I thought you said you were going to stop posting in this thread.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Yes, the currency people in this thread either actively use, or at least are able to quickly convert against without googling for a currency converter. I'm sorry you do not understand why HTC has done what they have done. I think you keep forgetting that the OG VIVE is/was still a main staple in a lot of countries due to the fact getting a rift, or index would be nearly impossible or expensive AF. I think you're forgetting a lot of people already might have wands, and light houses and a headset only upgrade could be HUGE for some of them. Or maybe the fact you're forgetting that theres a PLAY unit coming. You might also be forgetting that this is just the CONSUMER market we're talking about, Now look at the enterprise applications in these same countries. A lot of those same companies use Viveport and vives for stuff, a nice resolution bump would be huge for a lot of companies that are using them as training devices and what have you. Theres just so much you arent thinking about because the cosmos don't apply to YOU. Its like, those people who review a game and poo poo on it because "they" didn't like it, but didn't really see what the game was actually about or its intended audience. Your opinions arent facts. You have no idea what you're talking about man. Just, stop. Chinook posted:Ebolaivory, I thought you said you were going to stop posting in this thread. I get bored from time to time. Happens. RFC2324 posted:didn't think I would get to see a meltdown in the VR thread tonight 
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EbolaIvory posted:I'm sorry you do not understand why HTC has done what they have done. I think you keep forgetting that the OG VIVE is/was still a main staple in a lot of countries due to the fact getting a rift, or index would be nearly impossible or expensive AF. I think you're forgetting a lot of people already might have wands, and light houses and a headset only upgrade could be HUGE for some of them. Or maybe the fact you're forgetting that theres a PLAY unit coming. You might also be forgetting that this is just the CONSUMER market we're talking about, Now look at the enterprise applications in these same countries. A lot of those same companies use Viveport and vives for stuff, a nice resolution bump would be huge for a lot of companies that are using them as training devices and what have you. The Vive Pro exists, was specifically built for this exact use case with a standalone HMD release, is still in active production, and is several hundred USD cheaper at $599USD than a Cosmos Elite at $899USD thanks to HTC themselves permanently dropping the price.
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EbolaIvory posted:
Well please find something to do that isn’t having this inane ridiculous argument. The two biggest hill die-ers in the thread going at it for hours. Yeesh.
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Boba Pearl posted:I'm getting my Rift S today, I'm totally stoked, it's a gift and I never thought I'd ever be in the financial situation to play VR. Idk what I'm going to play first. First Contact. The little robot is your friend. 
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Owlbear Camus posted:First Contact. The little robot is your friend. First Contact is great. It was the first thing in vr that I had ever done. I jumped when that little bastard sprang up after turning on. Now I have become vr numb, and nothing can make me jump anymore.
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Happyimp posted:Now I have become vr numb, and nothing can make me jump anymore. Early VR porn where the scale is completely off
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Songbearer posted:Early VR porn where the scale is completely off snoo snoo
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Songbearer posted:Early VR porn where the scale is completely off I heard stories about the scale jank on the phone headsets. I've only seen that effect from pre patched borderlands vr, and it hurt my brain.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:$99 is not comparable to a $900 purchase. Adjusting for inflation it's $200 I don't think you have a clear idea of what the world looks like outside of your suburbs You haven't lived until you've traveled 1000 miles along the coast of a third world country for a week with 6% laptop battery life because nobody sells Apple laptops so it's literally impossible to buy an Apple laptop charger at any price. Saving a literal $100 USD is a huge massive deal
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:Well please find something to do that isn’t having this inane ridiculous argument. The two biggest hill die-ers in the thread going at it for hours. Yeesh. Nah I'm just gonna throw him on my mute list like other dude. Neddy Seagoon posted:The Vive Pro exists, was specifically built for this exact use case with a standalone HMD release, is still in active production, and is several hundred USD cheaper at $599USD than a Cosmos Elite at $899USD thanks to HTC themselves permanently dropping the price. Are you comparing stand alone pro headset price with a cosmos bundle price? You're talking out your rear end at this point. Yeah I'm done. EbolaIvory fucked around with this message at 20:27 on Feb 21, 2020 |
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Hadlock posted:Adjusting for inflation it's $200 Except $600 is already really expensive, if you are at the point where you can afford that the extra hundred is pretty much irrelevant, no matter where you are. You won't get a random poor third-world person buying either. Even just in Eastern Europe you mainly get people buying the phone "vr" cases because that's the actual low-cost vr option, not a loving six hundred dollar device. For a poor person that might as well be ten thousand dollars.
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Lemming posted:https://twitter.com/htcvive/status/1230960385353584640?s=19 Cosmos is a good name for it since it seems to enable a wormhole to 3 years ago when that would have been a good idea.
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Lemming posted:https://twitter.com/htcvive/status/1230960385353584640?s=19 That's better than the Vive Pro 1.0 kit. They've been selling Vive Pro with 1.0 Lighthouses and controllers for $1100. They should def. include the Cosmos controllers so you can use it without lighthouses. While not a great deal compared to Index with 2.0 at $999 or Rift S/Quest at $399 it's not a horrible deal for territories that can't buy Rift or Index. In those territories people are still buying original Vive kits (without DAS) for $699 (before additional VAT/Import duties/conversion) and the Vive Pro was $1100+ (before additional VAT/Import duties/conversion) for a full kit.
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Can everyone provide their thoughts and fight about pricing in other countries? It’s been about 25 minutes since we last had that
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i live on a colony on one of the jovian moons and we can't get the rift and the index costs eleven thousand jupiter credits. the toshiba bubble helmet is really popular here
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Yesterday I had an update in the Oculus PTC v14, and today Link is breaking intermittently. :/ It recovers by itself well enough, but after a while it started happening more and more and I had to quit the game. Maybe tomorrow it will work better. I hope they get something more stable by HL Alyx launch.
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:Can everyone provide their thoughts and fight about pricing in other countries? It’s been about 25 minutes since we last had that Ok, look, I’m not saying you should BUY the Virtual Strip Club game. I’m just saying there IS a virtual strip club game. And it has good reviews. Also DLC packs to buy additional strippers. And maybe if you’re just going to be sitting around watching dumb YouTube videos in a pinned window in VR anyway, you could do it while sitting around in a strip club with a money gun. But I’m not telling you to buy it. It’s your $20 USD. Or the equivalent of $20 in Zenni or pretty rocks or whatever passes for currency in your place of residence. What were we talking about again?
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