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Yeah, I remember talking with a friend when it was announced that we were hoping they wouldn't have the seeds/planter stuff in the remake. Hopefully that Planter level helps mitigate that issue without introducing any new issues.
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ASenileAnimal posted:i hope they redo the magic attacks in the sd3 remake i remember it being kinda slow paced on the snes version and i dont have the patience to sit through long spell animations anymore. my goto crew was kevin/hawkeye/whoever can cast saber spells. that combo abolutely melted every boss. There was also the thing that while magic stuff was slow with animations, the bosses would also counter that magic and t2-3 limit breaks with some strong spells, so easiest strat would be kevin/hawkeye/the buff amazon gal and using basic attacks and 1st limit break, so they wouldn't get countered and you could just breeze through everything.
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Feb 23, 2020 04:01
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I'm playing Trials with Rietz, Hawkeye and Angela. What should I be doing on the stat level up increases? I've tried to even everyone's stats out a bit but that feels like a dumb idea.
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Feb 23, 2020 18:08
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For everyone not named Hawkeye, you can ignore agi. The stat is broken and only slows trap wheels for anyone else. You only need one character to pump luck (whoever you have open chests) because it's also broken. Generally, you'll want to focus on vit and whatever their damage stat is, int for Angela, str for Riesz and Hawkeye. Spi is still useful for magic defense and light spells, but its much less important as you don't have any healers in this party. Don't worry too much about early stats, when you rank up it puts all your stats at the previous classes cap. When you rank up you'll want to put a couple points into int and spi to unlock spells for Angela and Riesz and also agi for some of Hawkeye's classes. BrokenLink fucked around with this message at 18:24 on Feb 23, 2020 |
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Feb 23, 2020 18:20
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You don't have to worry about it too much since the game will eventually force you to put stat points into other less good stats. But yeah, just focus on the dmg stats for the most part, and maybe look up stat requirements for spells, though it's usually Int or Spi.
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Feb 23, 2020 18:24
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Evening out stats is bad for sure. Angela especially you want to focus on Vitality even over Intelligence just because she's so goddamn frail. Only level up her Intelligence every time you get a new spirit to proc learning the associated elemental spell, otherwise Vitality when you can and Spirit when you can't. Riesz will be your tankiest character, but should focus on Strength, and then Vitality, with Intelligence if you can't do either. Hawkeye should do the same, but with Luck as the tertiary stat - his is already pretty high and you don't need it that much higher. You don't need to worry about leveling Hawkeye's Agility until you class change once, then you'll need to raise it every now and again for new spell breakpoints. Riesz I THINK needs Spirit to learn her buffs or debuffs in her class changes, though I might be thinking of Duran. Angela only ever needs Intelligence, so her strategy never needs to change even when she classes up. It's a fairly decent party you've got here, you should be okay if you abuse Poto Oils once you get to the Black/Night Market in Beiser.
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Feb 23, 2020 18:41
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The one thing dampening my Trials hype right now is the lack of coop. That was kind of a big deal to the SD3 experience to me 
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Bean posted:I'm playing Trials with Rietz, Hawkeye and Angela. What should I be doing on the stat level up increases? I've tried to even everyone's stats out a bit but that feels like a dumb idea. Just want to note that you've made it a bit harder on yourself by choosing the only party composition without a healer. There's a town called Byzel with a famous black market that sells advanced healing items (like poto oil) that you will likely need in the later stages of the game.
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BrokenLink posted:For everyone not named Hawkeye, you can ignore agi. spirit/piety influences the effectiveness of poto oils too, because you're really just casting heal light. every party needs heal light in some fashion, whether that's as a native spell or an item-assisted one. in this case, that basically means that lise/riesz should be the one throwing the poto oils. Torrannor posted:Just want to note that you've made it a bit harder on yourself by choosing the only party composition without a healer. There's a town called Byzel with a famous black market that sells advanced healing items (like poto oil) that you will likely need in the later stages of the game. there are plenty of no-healer party compositions, this is just the only one where none of their classes can heal at all. it's not a big deal, this is an easy game and the power you're getting from the buff-debuff-nuke trifecta means you need a lot less healing. definitely stock up on poto oils and the various claws at the black market though. Jazerus fucked around with this message at 20:16 on Feb 23, 2020 |
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Feb 23, 2020 20:13
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To be fair, relying on items that are only available from one shop in the entire world to substitute for what you're missing in your party comp isn't the most intuitive thing to grasp
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Feb 23, 2020 20:47
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The last time I played this game was in high school with the rom hack, and back then I went Rietz/Hawkeye/Carlie. I'm SO GLAD I didn't pick Carlie this time because I don't need her uwuing through the game. Who in the world thought that translation was okay?
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Bean posted:I'm playing Trials with Rietz, Hawkeye and Angela. What should I be doing on the stat level up increases? I've tried to even everyone's stats out a bit but that feels like a dumb idea. Earlygame: Level Strength, Stamina (or was it Constitution?), and Intelligence in that order. Those three stats determine physical damage, physical defence and HP, and magic attack AND magic defence for the usual magic. If you can't level either of those, increase Spirit (magic attack and magic defence against Spirit-based magic; this includes all your healing spells, your light-elemental spells, and summon spells; as well as items based on those spells). After the first class change, you usually need to put points into Agility for Hawkeye in order to learn his spells (Agility also increases the damage for most of his spells, with the exception of certain ones) He has the highest Agility and Luck caps which help with dodging chest traps and getting good items so he will be the one you need to switch to when you open chests. His biggest problem thusly is that he wants to raise a lot of stats, but if you go with the Dark classes, you basically won't need to raise Spirit at the very least. Angela should shift towards Intelligence > Stamina > Spirit to increase her spell power (and Strength when you can't do either of them, Hawkeye covers Agility and Luck so there's no need to raise those once you've class changed). Riesz should shift to Strength > Stamina > Spirit until she learns her buffs/debuffs, then shift towards Strength > Stamina > Intelligence (and Spirit if you can't do either of those three) after class changing.
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Allarion posted:To be fair, relying on items that are only available from one shop in the entire world to substitute for what you're missing in your party comp isn't the most intuitive thing to grasp That market literally exists to keep the game from being unwinnable it feels like
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Feb 24, 2020 04:39
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New gameplay trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKoa_56t8HM 
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Mar 5, 2020 17:50
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Gyoru posted:New gameplay trailer Can't wait to get my hands on this game.
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Mar 5, 2020 18:41
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The music
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Gyoru posted:New gameplay trailer I'm legitimately more excited for this than the FF7 remake. mainly because i don't have a ps4
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Super Jay Mann posted:The music I about jumped out of my seat in joy when the intro to High Tension Wire kicked in. I didn't think I could be any more hyped and then they went and did that.
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Mar 5, 2020 19:00
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Holy crap they aren't just doing a neat little reskin but a full blown redesign of combat and how you get abilities. Nice.
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Mar 5, 2020 20:57
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Have we always known it was coming to Steam? I missed that and am now quite happy.
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Mar 5, 2020 21:09
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Yeah, the only reason it wasn't announced with the initial trailer is it was part of Nintendo's E3 direct.
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Mar 5, 2020 21:11
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Bruceski posted:Have we always known it was coming to Steam? I missed that and am now quite happy. (But I just recently got a Switch and Collection of Mana was my first game  )
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Mar 5, 2020 21:14
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I need this game to be good. I want more mana games
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Super Jay Mann posted:The music So awesome. SD3 had amazing music, and hearing them being faithful to it makes me really happy.
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Edit: ^^^^^^ Holy poo poo my excitement for this game has been renewed. This looks like it's going to be really fun to play in addition to the added benefit of the massive nostalgia wave I already knew we'd be getting. There was so much cool stuff in that video, but I just have to say one thing I'm sad about it the lack of wolf transformation animation for Kevin. I know, removing it makes the combat much more seamless; you can tell that just from watching the video. But the old animation and sound effect always just got me so pumped to start roundhouse kicking rabites and I can't help but be a little disappointed there's no new and improved version in this game. Maybe if I'm lucky it'll be a toggle... But yeah, the music, the voice acting, the art style, and the dedication to the source material—it all looks great. Love those upgraded class outfits.
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Wow I was afraid they would just upgrade the graphics but the music and new gameplay elements look amazing! One of the big problems with the original is that some classes are just way better than others. Looks like they're fixing that!
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This is good. I love this. Even Carlie sounds less annoying.
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I’m excited to finally make Duran a light class since shields will actually do something finally!
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Blackbelt Bobman posted:I’m excited to finally make Duran a light class since shields will actually do something finally! Even though shields didn't do anything making him a Lord was good because you could get multi-target heal light and take someone else in place of Carlie. This kind of crept up on me with big name games like Doom and RE3 Remake being released in the coming months. I've played through SD3 on the SNES probably about 50 times over the years and can't wait to go into this with my old Death Hand/Necromancer/Star Lancer murder squad. They can even make it so Energy Ball actually works this time.
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NoEyedSquareGuy posted:Even though shields didn't do anything making him a Lord was good because you could get multi-target heal light and take someone else in place of Carlie. Wasn't it the Lord class who also had the status immunity shield? Considering that part actually did work, it made it the best shield.
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SD3 had a bunch of annoying glitches. Critical hits were non-existent, some stats did nothing, shields didn't work, sometimes you wouldn't get the proper ??? items when you planted them. Very excited to see this game in a new skin.
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I really need to replay the original before I get this one. I probably won't be able to go back to it afterward, you know?
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seiferguy posted:It's still sad how the later part of the game is clearly unfinished So I think this might have gotten skipped with that awesome trailer, but you can find them all by farming enemies on the Mana Fortress. I don't recall what the drop rates are like, but at some point I was able to get them all. The Werewolf lords drop the glove orbs, the tan devil heads drop the axe, the blue slimers drop the spear, the Terminators (gold knight looking dude) drops the whip, the blue crab drops the bow, and the flying golden eyeball enemies drop the javelin or boomerang. I know there is one more, but it's not burned into my brain like all the rest.
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SoM doesnt feel super unfinished outside of dyluck. i assume a cut scene reveals he has a huge dong.
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I streamed Secret of Mana co-op a few years back (which was a beautiful, hilarious trainwreck), and that game's second half is absolutely unfinished.
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We've got some samples of the Trials of Mana Remake OST and holy poo poo it slaps: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5a1AwfIztrU
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Beefstew posted:I streamed Secret of Mana co-op a few years back (which was a beautiful, hilarious trainwreck), and that game's second half is absolutely unfinished. Did the remake fix any of this, or is it just a re-skin of the entire old game?
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No Wave posted:SoM doesnt feel super unfinished outside of dyluck. i assume a cut scene reveals he has a huge dong. The Republic of It’s Just A Single Castle
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