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That's a loving fantastic low-key burn on Kane and I just want you to know that I appreciate it.
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WSAENOTSOCK posted:There was a time when the dream card for WCW and WWF was: DX vs nWo in a 20 man tag match
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# ? Feb 26, 2020 05:43 |
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Coaaab posted:okay everyone, how would YOU have booked the finishes? Is this a one off show?
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# ? Feb 26, 2020 06:17 |
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Coaaab posted:okay everyone, how would YOU have booked the finishes? Austin over Goldberg where Goldberg spears into the timerkeeper's area or the post hard enough (gimmicked) to visibly move it. Sting over Undertaker after Undertaker is turned on by *rolls dice* Mideon and Viscera???, Sting and the Undertaker team up to murder Mideon and Viserca with their moves and pose together. DDP over the Rock with the Diamond Cutter out of nowhere after the Rock has control for the majority of the match.
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# ? Feb 26, 2020 06:26 |
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Confession: when Brock Lesnar debuted on WWF TV my initial reaction was "who did he wrestle as in WCW?"
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# ? Feb 26, 2020 06:37 |
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Rusty Shackelford posted:Is this a one off show?
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# ? Feb 26, 2020 06:57 |
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It's hard to gauge the actual popularity of some WCW stars from the pre-Nitro era because it cannot be exaggerated how incompetent the live event promotion side of the company was before Zane Bresloff was lured away from the WWF. The stuff about Don Glass being staggeringly bad at his job (running San Antonio on Easter Sunday!) may be a Cornette narrative, but like a lot of Cornette historical stuff, it's also true. Business went up almost immediately after Bresloff started with the company, and the house show business boom started with the first program to have any real heat to it, Flair vs. Savage. The house shows were also terribly booked, having oddly tenuous connections to the programs on TV every week. IIRC (at a more sane hour tomorrow I can consult Matwatch to confirm and gather additional details), Sting broke the record for most watched match in the history of cable at least twice, vs. Flair at Clash 1, the match that made him a star, and vs. The Black Scorpion at Clash 12 during his title reign. (The latter was preceded by a Luger-Flair U.S. Title co-main but still outdid it.) The big record-breaking weekend of TBS shows in February 1990, while headlined by Flair-Pillman and Flair/Arn-R&R, was the first weekend of fresh shows since the Horsemen turned on him at Clash 10 (the previous week was taped before the Clash, only had a couple canned promos, and didn't address his injury). And WCW always did solid PPV business until the larger U.S. wrestling recession happened. My point being: Sting clearly had a big fanbase. But because WCW was so weirdly mismanaged in the areas that would historically be considered good gauges in wrestling (well, and in general), you can't really point to him being a traditional "draw" before 1997. Also, something that really needs to be discussed more is that WCW would be a runaway financial success if transported into the 2020 TV landscape. Even if you tried to weight the TV ratings to be relative to what we're seeing now.
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# ? Feb 26, 2020 07:49 |
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davidbix posted:The stuff about Don Glass being staggeringly bad at his job (running San Antonio on Easter Sunday!) may be a Cornette narrative, but like a lot of Cornette historical stuff, it's also true. Haha, I've never heard this story before, but I can absolutely hear Cornette yelling "SAN ANTONIO ON EASTER SUNDAY!" in my mind.
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# ? Feb 26, 2020 15:17 |
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gat dang
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# ? Feb 26, 2020 15:33 |
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WSAENOTSOCK posted:Starrcade '98 is when the deadly wound was inflicted. Teenage WSAENOTSOCK didn't notice the wound until the fingerpoke, and didn't see the blood pooling until these very events. I didn't put the pieces together until the PSP synctube rewatch. That one episode of Nitro is the exact point where WCW jumped the shark. Starrcade was the ramp, the Fingerpoke was the Foz building up speed towards the ramp, but that one Nitro is where he took flight.
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# ? Feb 26, 2020 15:35 |
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ChrisBTY posted:I didn't put the pieces together until the PSP synctube rewatch. That one episode of Nitro is the exact point where WCW jumped the shark.
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# ? Feb 26, 2020 15:38 |
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I would've loved to see a Sting/Undertaker feud back in the 00s, even if the matches weren't great.Q_res posted:It's really stupid because they should have remembered how much nobody gave a gently caress about DDP when he was a heel pre-NWO. He was basically an anonymous mid-card heel until he got the offer to join the NWO. I think that was the first time someone told the NWO to gently caress off and actually got one over on them. The fans ate it up and he rode that and a cool finish to being over as gently caress. davidbix posted:My point being: Sting clearly had a big fanbase. But because WCW was so weirdly mismanaged in the areas that would historically be considered good gauges in wrestling (well, and in general), you can't really point to him being a traditional "draw" before 1997. Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 15:51 on Feb 26, 2020 |
# ? Feb 26, 2020 15:45 |
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wakka wakka *hits jukebox*
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# ? Feb 26, 2020 15:54 |
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Regarding Sting it definitely didn't help that 1)He tore his ACL on his coronation win over Flair 2)They portrayed him as the dumbest face in wrestling history
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# ? Feb 26, 2020 17:29 |
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2) was cool when he was teaming with Luger but otherwise, yeah, very bad.
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# ? Feb 26, 2020 17:33 |
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Halloween Jack posted:2) was cool when he was teaming with Luger but otherwise, yeah, very bad. I'd seriously like to know how many times he got turned on, has to be close to a dozen
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# ? Feb 26, 2020 17:35 |
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After a while, "partner turns on Sting" had to just be an intentional running gag. It was up there with Flair always getting caught trying to go to the top rope.
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# ? Feb 26, 2020 17:36 |
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Oh poo poo, I had forgotten about that. I didn't know much about wrestling history when I watched Flair in WCW, so I just kept getting incensed every time I saw him climb the turnbuckle, wondering why he does that in every match when he's not a flier.
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# ? Feb 26, 2020 17:42 |
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Halloween Jack posted:Oh poo poo, I had forgotten about that. I didn't know much about wrestling history when I watched Flair in WCW, so I just kept getting incensed every time I saw him climb the turnbuckle, wondering why he does that in every match when he's not a flier. It's honestly one of the best running gags. Someone in the favorite tropes thread mentioned he actually hit a couple elbow or leg drops, but would only be successful in the rare instances he was working face. Heel Flair got caught every time.
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# ? Feb 26, 2020 17:52 |
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I read an interview, years ago, where he said he actually won his first match with a cross-body off the top. Blew my mind.
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# ? Feb 26, 2020 17:53 |
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That’s how he won his first world title against Harley Race iirc.
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# ? Feb 26, 2020 18:01 |
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I seem to remember a match on Nitro or Thunder in 2000 or so where Flair actually hit the double axehandle and for some reason the commentators barely noticed.
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# ? Feb 26, 2020 18:15 |
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Pope Corky the IX posted:I seem to remember a match on Nitro or Thunder in 2000 or so where Flair actually hit the double axehandle and for some reason the commentators barely noticed.
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# ? Feb 26, 2020 18:27 |
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# ? Feb 26, 2020 18:57 |
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Is this basically the same as the bit in WWF with Warrior and Sherri, where Sherri motioned to go down on Warrior as a means of coaxing him onto her and Macho Man's side and her enthusiastically turned her down?
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# ? Feb 26, 2020 19:09 |
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I liked the old mothership ramp, tbh
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# ? Feb 26, 2020 19:15 |
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mein gott
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# ? Feb 26, 2020 19:22 |
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Hedgehog Pie posted:Is this basically the same as the bit in WWF with Warrior and Sherri, where Sherri motioned to go down on Warrior as a means of coaxing him onto her and Macho Man's side and her enthusiastically turned her down?
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# ? Feb 26, 2020 19:23 |
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shiksa posted:mein gott
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# ? Feb 26, 2020 19:28 |
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I forget what match it was for, but there was an amazing sting entrance with Luger, where the whole time he's walking out behind sting, he's got this evil grin and is winding up like he's going to turn on him right there, then if Sting turned around to look at him, he immediately shifts to some goofy look it was fantastic
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# ? Feb 26, 2020 19:40 |
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# ? Feb 26, 2020 20:30 |
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DJExile posted:I forget what match it was for, but there was an amazing sting entrance with Luger, where the whole time he's walking out behind sting, he's got this evil grin and is winding up like he's going to turn on him right there, then if Sting turned around to look at him, he immediately shifts to some goofy look That whole Sting/Luger are BFFs storyline was really well done, and it fed right into the nWo storyline in a natural, organic way.
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# ? Feb 26, 2020 20:35 |
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I posted that for you, friend
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# ? Feb 26, 2020 20:35 |
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Randaconda posted:That whole Sting/Luger are BFFs storyline was really well done, and it fed right into the nWo storyline in a natural, organic way. This was what made the Cody and MJF team so perfect.
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# ? Feb 26, 2020 20:40 |
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Randaconda posted:I posted that for you, friend I know, thank you, I just wanted to see it again without having to scroll so far back up.
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# ? Feb 26, 2020 20:45 |
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El Gallinero Gros posted:I'd seriously like to know how many times he got turned on, has to be close to a dozen does this count as sting getting turned on twice?
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# ? Feb 26, 2020 20:46 |
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Monster Truck Champion Madusa
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# ? Feb 26, 2020 20:54 |
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Forgot how hot Madusa was before she got the stupidly huge implants
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