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Personally I find that a head-tracker and a big 4k screen gets me about 80% of the immersion of VR with quadruple the resolution and none of the control problems. I would rather play a flight sim with a gamepad and a head-tracker than the fanciest hardware and a fixed view, but the stereoscopic effect of VR really doesn't blow my mind and the resolution is just abysmal. In 4k on a 50" screen I can read every gauge at a glance without having to zoom in and lose my view of the outside and a head-tracker is quite natural once you get the hang of it. call me back when there's a VR headset that hits 4k per eye at a non-nauseating framerate and we'll talk
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VR is for babies. This is the only acceptable sim setup:
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Feb 26, 2020 07:45
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The Chad Jihad posted:Hey I am trying to remember a flight sim, I think it was from the same era as European Air War or maybe earlier, and I honestly never played it but I would always see it in the game store and the boxart captured my imagination, it had like weird pusher planes and zepplins all over but I don't think it was actually a WW1 sim it seemed like alt history. It wasn't Crimson Skies though. 
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Feb 26, 2020 08:00
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The Ferret King posted:I know VR is cool, but I wish more simmers would admit that it's a poor solution for process-based civilian simming. Some headsets have camera(s) opposite the eyes that allow you to see as if there you didn't have the headset on (but instead suffered from terrible cataracts). I believe some VR software lets you make areas of the VR-scape see-through, so most of the scape is the cockpit but you can glance down and your desk and hands on controls and notebooks will be visible instead. It should be a decent best of both worlds. In another few years when the resolution of everything is up I'll go for it.
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Feb 26, 2020 08:08
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Wait people actually willingly wear VR headsets for 6 hours at a time?
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Feb 26, 2020 08:27
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Google Butt posted:Wait people actually willingly wear VR headsets for 6 hours at a time? I'll definitely spend that long in Elite Dangerous.
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Feb 26, 2020 09:05
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When my DCS still worked, I spent six-eight ours in Odyssey Plus flying on Hoggit several times. At the end of it, you are pretty sweaty and worn from occasional merges, but it’s not some impossible feat.
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Feb 26, 2020 09:54
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I refuse to believe that DCS ever worked.
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Feb 26, 2020 11:59
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The Ferret King posted:I know VR is cool, but I wish more simmers would admit that it's a poor solution for process-based civilian simming. i've never had to take my headset off when simming and i don't do any of that poo poo, keyboard works just fine for me. if you can't type blind in 2020, honestly that's on you lmao. Sagebrush posted:Personally I find that a head-tracker and a big 4k screen gets me about 80% of the immersion of VR with quadruple the resolution and none of the control problems. I would rather play a flight sim with a gamepad and a head-tracker than the fanciest hardware and a fixed view, but the stereoscopic effect of VR really doesn't blow my mind and the resolution is just abysmal. In 4k on a 50" screen I can read every gauge at a glance without having to zoom in and lose my view of the outside and a head-tracker is quite natural once you get the hang of it. stereo-3d is just a tiny part of why vr is good. also, not saying head trackers are bad they're very good if you're playing on a monitor, but comparing head trackers with vr is just plain stupid. also what "control problems"? Google Butt posted:Wait people actually willingly wear VR headsets for 6 hours at a time? my vr is wireless now and the battery only lasts 5 hours so that's what i limit my sessions to now. 
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Truga posted:i've never had to take my headset off when simming and i don't do any of that poo poo, keyboard works just fine for me. if you can't type blind in 2020, honestly that's on you lmao. The blind can still lead very fulfilling lives thanks to the Americans With Disabilities Act. I'm still not ready to jam hot pokers into my eyes. 
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Feb 26, 2020 12:14
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It's beautiful, thank you so much
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Feb 26, 2020 13:24
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EvilMerlin posted:Dell oft has them in stock They don’t now
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Feb 26, 2020 13:25
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Google Butt posted:Wait people actually willingly wear VR headsets for 6 hours at a time? Yes and it ooooowwwwwwnnnnnnssssss
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Feb 26, 2020 14:48
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The bigger shock to me is that people sit staring at the game in cruise for six hours. If I’m doing anything over 2 total hours I’ll make sure everything is good and visit it every 15-30mins to make sure nothing exploded. I do still have random failures on, so there will eventually be a tragedy doing this.
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Feb 26, 2020 15:00
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In Star Citizen I had my warp drive malfunction while 0.7 light years from the nearest planet. That’s about 30 hours using super cruise instead of warp. I spent the whole 30 hours “on my ship” (ie in my basement) eating food from the matter replicator (ie food my mother brought me) and peeing/pooing in my space suit (ie my pants). But I got that shipment there. And then went to turn it in for the creds and the NPC glitched out and I didn’t get the reward. Still worth it.
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Feb 26, 2020 15:20
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bird with big dick posted:In Star Citizen I had my warp drive malfunction while 0.7 light years from the nearest planet. That’s about 30 hours using super cruise instead of warp. I spent the whole 30 hours “on my ship” (ie in my basement) eating food from the matter replicator (ie food my mother brought me) and peeing/pooing in my space suit (ie my pants). But I got that shipment there. And then went to turn it in for the creds and the NPC glitched out and I didn’t get the reward. Still worth it. 
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Feb 26, 2020 15:47
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The Ferret King posted:I know VR is cool, but I wish more simmers would admit that it's a poor solution for process-based civilian simming. I'm in the FS2020 alpha and hardly load it up because flying on a flatscreen sucks so much. I can't go back to non-VR.
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Similar with racing simulations. VR or bust. That said, I agree with the point made earlier. If you're doing IFR flying, VR isn't exactly useful. Also, FS2020 needs to add a stunt plane already.
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Feb 26, 2020 16:15
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Combat Pretzel posted:Also, FS2020 needs to add a stunt plane already. You mean in the tech alpha? There've been stunt planes in trailers, haven't there?
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Feb 26, 2020 17:53
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bird with big dick posted:In Star Citizen I had my warp drive malfunction while 0.7 light years from the nearest planet. That’s about 30 hours using super cruise instead of warp. I spent the whole 30 hours “on my ship” (ie in my basement) eating food from the matter replicator (ie food my mother brought me) and peeing/pooing in my space suit (ie my pants). But I got that shipment there. And then went to turn it in for the creds and the NPC glitched out and I didn’t get the reward. Still worth it. this is true immersion (in your own waste)
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Feb 26, 2020 18:38
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MikeJF posted:You mean in the tech alpha? There've been stunt planes in trailers, haven't there? Also, they need to take care of autogenerated items trying to take the place of manually placed models. There's autogen wind turbines intersecting with the Eiffel tower, preventing me to fly under the tower. The pyramids in Gizee intersect with autogen housing placed where they are.
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Vahakyla posted:When my DCS still worked, I spent six-eight ours in Odyssey Plus flying on Hoggit several times. At the end of it, you are pretty sweaty and worn from occasional merges, but it’s not some impossible feat. Fix your hardware dammit!
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Feb 26, 2020 19:09
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Tippis posted:Fix your hardware dammit! In the interest of not empty quoting I'm confused by the argument that VR isn't for process sims because I feel the opposite. Feeling "there" is what makes spending the time doing cold starts in the F18, or having to fly 30 minutes just to get to the combat part, amazing and fun.
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Feb 27, 2020 17:15
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Yeah and your stomach dropping in turns is worth the price of admission alone. Can’t get that with an IR emitter on your hat.
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Feb 27, 2020 18:07
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I don't know. I made my own "track clip pro" and depending on how well the electrical tape is holding up, I can at least get a tingle. But simming in VR is amazing and worth it despite the resolution drop. If I had a big enough curved monitor tho, I might be ok with skipping it once in a while.
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Feb 27, 2020 19:00
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Only problem with VR and combat sims is it makes spotting planes in games like Il-2 really really hard due to the fact you can't zoom in 100 times. However that just leads to getting jumped more which is fun.
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bird with big dick posted:In Star Citizen I had my warp drive malfunction while 0.7 light years from the nearest planet. That’s about 30 hours using super cruise instead of warp. I spent the whole 30 hours “on my ship” (ie in my basement) eating food from the matter replicator (ie food my mother brought me) and peeing/pooing in my space suit (ie my pants). But I got that shipment there. And then went to turn it in for the creds and the NPC glitched out and I didn’t get the reward. Still worth it. Lol, a star citizen 
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I have a C64 and a legit copy of SubLogic FS2. I fired it up a few months ago. Some things are definitely better left as a memory of your 10 year old self then as an adult. It was literally 1-2FPS and pretty much unplayable. I guess my imagination did a whole lot of work filling in the other 20 frames. And graphics which could be recognizable for anything. Legit question: I have a 9900k w/1080ti. Am I fairly safe in assuming that it should be good for MSFS @ 3440x1440 or should I look at a 2080ti and sell my 1080ti while it's still worth a good $$? Also, has it been announced if MSFS it's going to be a monthly service? I can totally see MS going to the subscription model for this like how they are pushing Office. That sweet, sweet reoccurring monthly revenue is like crack to companies.
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Feb 27, 2020 21:37
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Don’t buy a 2080Ti. The 3000 series is coming in June.
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MSFS will be on gamepass, and since it's first-party I don't see it going off of there any time soon.
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Feb 27, 2020 23:40
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Best way to do checklists in X-Plane 11? 2D or VR Ultimately I’d like a solution where I can send a PDF or word doc over and use that.
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Captain Apollo posted:Best way to do checklists in X-Plane 11? Here you go: AviTab https://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/files/file/44825-avitab-vr-compatible-tablet-with-pdf-viewer-moving-maps-and-more/ It's a VR tablet that does exactly what you're looking for.
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In 2D? Print it out. In VR? Memorize it. Avitab is too slow and clunky.
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X-checklist in x-plane works in Vr and is super light and makes a transparent window you can shove wherever. It has files for most popular payware.
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Oh avitab? Yeah sick I’m already loving that. Slow?? Avitab is super responsive..... So I guess I just click charts and browse to the PDF
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slidebite posted:Legit question: I have a 9900k w/1080ti. Am I fairly safe in assuming that it should be good for MSFS @ 3440x1440 or should I look at a 2080ti and sell my 1080ti while it's still worth a good $$? I have a 1080 (non-Ti), 8GB VRAM, i7-9600k, 32 GB of RAM and an ultrawide at 3440x1440. I'm in the tech alpha. You'll be fine.
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Thanks for the insight. 
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Going from 1080 to 2080 is a massive cost for very little actual gain. It is around 15-20 percent performance difference between those two cards. Slightly bit more to 2080Super. Even when selling, you are looking at spending 500-600 dollars easy. Unless money is no concern, don’t do it. Waiting for the 3000 line seems reasonable now, because going from 1080 to 3080 will be the same 500-600 price jump when selling your old one, but you are looking at 40-50 percent performance increase.
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My wheel stand pro is not here because my UPS driver is a moron and I’m pretty sure delivered it to the wrong house. Or maybe just decided to keep it for himself.
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Galaxy brain: play flight sims with a race wheel
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