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Last Jedi is the one bad Rian Johnson movie, and even then it was better than TFA and ROS.
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Feb 27, 2020 14:49
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That "MISS ME YET?" billboard but with George Lucas' face instead of George W. Bush's.
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Feb 27, 2020 16:00
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MonsieurChoc posted:Last Jedi is the one bad Rian Johnson movie, and even then it was better than TFA and ROS. The Last Jedi is probably his strongest work just from the constraints he was under. Not only did he have to work within the framework of the Star Wars saga (rather than just telling his own story), he also inherited a bunch of stuff from TFA that he was saddled with dealing with (that he then took the blame for-everyone bitches that he made Luke a sad recluse, or set up some Emperor-like figure with no explanation, or made Rey too strong....when ALL of that was Abrams). Plus he had a responsibility to set up stuff for the third film. Juggling all that while still delivering a powerful and poignant story? Yeah, just in terms of difficulty of the project, TLJ is probably his crowing achievement.
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Feb 27, 2020 16:25
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It was pretty ballsy and funny that he tried to make an anti-capitalist anti-war Star War but also predictable that the entire thing got mangled to poo poo in editing/reshoots so you get this weird collection of contradictory mixed messages (sometimes sacrificing yourself is good but sometimes it's bad, you don't need a book to teach you wisdom but it's good to have it on hand anyway, war is mostly bad and dumb but maybe this war is okay, etc) It's still pretty and has some ambitious stuff and some fun set pieces which put it well above the rest of the sequel trilogy. I hope Knives Out being so well received and RoS being so poorly received means he still gets a crack at his own trilogy, and is able to follow through with his own vision (hopefully without a stupid amount of studio interference) through the entire thing.
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Feb 27, 2020 17:16
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Guy A. Person posted:he still gets a crack at his own trilogy, Johnson's already confirmed to be doing three more Star Wars films. Directing at least the first, writing/producing all three.
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Feb 27, 2020 17:27
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jivjov posted:Johnson's already confirmed to be doing three more Star Wars films. Directing at least the first, writing/producing all three. Excellent news, I thought that was all still in limbo
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Feb 27, 2020 17:33
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Guy A. Person posted:Excellent news, I thought that was all still in limbo Nope, officially confirmed back in 2017  https://www.starwars.com/news/rian-johnson-writer-director-of-star-wars-the-last-jedi-to-create-all-new-star-wars-trilogy
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Feb 27, 2020 17:45
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And still confirmed a month ago that he’s bashing it out with Disney.
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Feb 27, 2020 18:06
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jivjov posted:Juggling all that while still delivering a powerful and poignant story? He didn't though. Last Jedi has some powerful and poignant moments that end up falling flat because of the rest of the movie. Still the best of the three sequels movies.
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Feb 27, 2020 19:07
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Literally none of TLJ "falls flat". It's far and away the best single film of the entire franchise.
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Feb 27, 2020 19:25
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What I like most about The Last Jedi is that it isn't a pastiche of the source material, stylistically speaking. It's using a different, distinctive visual and symbolic language, most noticeable in the shots that have elements moving chaotically in the background. In hindsight, one thing it has in common with Knives Out is an attention to very fine details and the locations and orientations of objects, which naturally you'd want a whodunit or howdunit to really nail.
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Feb 27, 2020 19:38
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TLJ owns and among the many, many shortcomings of RoS is that it decided to play take backsies with plot developments from TLJ. Okay, that’s it from me on this Star Wars derail.
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Feb 27, 2020 20:24
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jivjov posted:Literally none of TLJ "falls flat". It's far and away the best single film of the entire franchise. Lol, no. Both the OT and PT and Rogue One are much better. Pretty much everything that isn't Rey/Kylo/Luke related falls completely flat. And the final duel between Luke and Kylo is also underwhelming at best. It also keeps going agaisnt it's own messages at multiple points leading to a contradictory ending that just doesn't work.
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Feb 27, 2020 21:07
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Please take it to the rotating Star Wars forum
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Feb 27, 2020 21:23
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Pick posted:Please take it to the rotating Star Wars forum It's important you know my star wars opinion, which is that Knives Out rules.
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Feb 27, 2020 21:43
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I loved the circle of knives and how no-one gets framed dead centre until Marta right at the end.
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Feb 27, 2020 21:45
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The_Doctor posted:I loved the circle of knives and how no-one gets framed dead centre until Marta right at the end. Rikki Lindhome's character had a couple of ominous shots in the fan of knives during the reading of the will that made me think she'd have a bigger part in the mystery, but nope, she was just criminally underused. Or do you mean during questioning?
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Feb 27, 2020 22:22
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mcbexx posted:Rikki Lindhome's character had a couple of ominous shots in the fan of knives during the reading of the will that made me think she'd have a bigger part in the mystery, but nope, she was just criminally underused. There was a dropped subplot dealing with her character (Donna) and Walt that gets brought up in the commentary and some of it survived in the deleted scenes; I'll drop it behind spoiler tags below, in case anyone wants to not know it: Walt's foot/leg injury is revealed to have been inflicted by some mafia type figure shaking him down for owed money. Blanc gets a cop to dress up like a stereotypical gangster and loiter on Donna's front doorstep to convince her to talk about this to Blanc and the investigators. It's the same cop that's taking Ransom out in handcuffs at the end, which is why he gives her a nod and she reacts a bit
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Feb 27, 2020 23:06
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Just saw this, it was ok. Not enough time spent with the horrible family characters, and the reveal of what happened in the study was way too early. But it looked good and had some fun moments.MonsieurChoc posted:Last Jedi is the one bad Rian Johnson movie, and even then it was better than TFA and ROS. Brothers Bloom is his weakest imo, and looper is pretty uneven. Agree that TLJ is the best of the worst star wars, and that blame is on the studio. Gimmicky as it is, I think Brick is still his best
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Feb 29, 2020 04:39
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Knives Out and Jo Jo Rabbit were two films last year that really annoyed me based solely on their marketing, so I went in with a chip on my shoulder. Despite that, Knives Out really was a lot of fun. I think I'd rank Johnson's films: Looper Knives Out Brick The Last Jedi The Brothers Bloom Even the worst of them is still watchable. I'm definitely into the idea of recurring mystery franchise, and it feels like something that won't totally destroy Daniel Craig's spirit.
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Feb 29, 2020 05:25
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My favourite RJ movie will probably always be Brick, but I love TLJ and all the rest as well. You can't help but love the guy when you see him behind the scenes and giving his interviews, he's just so delighted to be in the business and achieving his dreams.
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Feb 29, 2020 07:34
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They did an amazing job with all of Harlan's technology. I watched this last night with my folks and my dad went nuts over the McIntosh CD player in the scene where Blanc tried to speak with Harlan's mom.
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Mar 1, 2020 00:56
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Detective No. 27 posted:They did an amazing job with all of Harlan's technology. I watched this last night with my folks and my dad went nuts over the McIntosh CD player in the scene where Blanc tried to speak with Harlan's mom. His thinkpad running WinXP was great too
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Mar 1, 2020 01:18
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With respect to her shoes how does blood get on it
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Mar 1, 2020 06:43
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When Harlen slits his throat his blood splatters across the room, and a drop reaches her shoe
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Mar 1, 2020 08:27
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Blood Boils posted:Just saw this, it was ok. Not enough time spent with the horrible family characters, and the reveal of what happened in the study was way too early. But it looked good and had some fun moments. Learning what happened in the study early is the entire point, though, because it changes the movie (at least at first) from a whodunnit into watching Marta try to navigate what's going on.
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Mar 1, 2020 09:44
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Sure, I just think it would have been better to watch the nurse trying to get away with it when we think she still might be the killer. She's kinda the least interesting/entertaining character compared to the rest, especially once her innocence is confirmed.
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Mar 1, 2020 19:16
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You found no engagement with the idea of her deciding to fall on the sword after having made (what she thinks) is an innocent mistake? She really could hve just taken the inheritance and peaced out, but she's a better person than that
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Mar 1, 2020 19:38
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That thing about apple not letting you show villains using an iphone is pretty interesting and i'm surprised he was able to disclose it
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Mar 1, 2020 22:33
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Yeah, but it's who Apple considers a villain. I'm certain that everyone else in the family had iPhones and they were all monsters.
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Mar 2, 2020 01:01
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jivjov posted:You found no engagement with the idea of her deciding to fall on the sword after having made (what she thinks) is an innocent mistake? She really could hve just taken the inheritance and peaced out, but she's a better person than that Not really, I wanted more from the horrible family. Riki Lindhome was particularly underutilized
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Mar 2, 2020 19:10
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I think she had a couple of scenes that were cut for pacing unfortunately.
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Mar 2, 2020 21:31
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Blood Boils posted:Not really, I wanted more from the horrible family. Riki Lindhome was particularly underutilized Yeah, her subplot sadly got axed.
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Mar 3, 2020 03:15
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jivjov posted:You found no engagement with the idea of her deciding to fall on the sword after having made (what she thinks) is an innocent mistake? She really could hve just taken the inheritance and peaced out, but she's a better person than that Innocent mistake like mixing up medicine and injecting the dude with what seems to be a lethal dose of morphine and then struggling to cover it up? I thought her motivation was understandable but the huge fuckup detracted somewhat from it.
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Mar 3, 2020 13:32
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mobby_6kl posted:Innocent mistake like mixing up medicine and injecting the dude with what seems to be a lethal dose of morphine and then struggling to cover it up? I thought her motivation was understandable but the huge fuckup detracted somewhat from it. She very much didn't want to cover it up and did it because Harlan told her to as a dying wish. E: and while it doesn't absolve her of her mistake, it's worth pointing out that had she injected him with morphine, she was very prepared to give him naloxone as well. Except that it had been stolen. Ravenfood fucked around with this message at 14:00 on Mar 3, 2020 |
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Mar 3, 2020 13:55
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She felt guilty about it the whole time and confessed within like 24 hours or whatever
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Mar 3, 2020 14:39
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She was also intentionally sabotaged in multiple ways and STILL gave him the correct medicine and medical advice lol
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Mar 3, 2020 17:17
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She's sabotaged AND she's forced into the position by Harlan. If he had listened to her he would've been fine. Though I am a little sympathetic to him on second viewing. He clearly does care about her (it also helps that Plummer and Armas have good chemistry between them) and he does seem to sincerely believe he's doing the right thing to help her and her family.
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Mar 3, 2020 17:32
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mobby_6kl posted:Innocent mistake like mixing up medicine and injecting the dude with what seems to be a lethal dose of morphine and then struggling to cover it up? I thought her motivation was understandable but the huge fuckup detracted somewhat from it. If people found out she killed Harlan even as an accident her entire family would be deported and/or imprisoned.
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Pirate Jet posted:If people found out she killed Harlan even as an accident her entire family would be deported and/or imprisoned. Specifically her mom. Given that Jacob calls her an "anchor baby" I think the implication is that Marta and her sister have birthright citizenship.
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