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Kobal2 posted:Oh, and Delay Poison(communal) is actually "never ever care about poison, ever, for the entire day". I learned the hard way that this should always be one one of your peeps earlier today. I thought resting might negate the poison effect that was sapping constitution from Octavia; it was kind of hilarious because she dropped dead the second we broke camp.
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Kobal2 posted:
Out of idle curiosity, was this actually stated officially somewhere? I know some of the youtubers refer to it as such, but given its location on the info screen, along with roughly correlating monster stats based on type to it, I've always interpreted it as the Hit Dice of the selected monster - which is NOT the same (close to CR for some, way higher for others). Animals/vermin/plants for example tend to have very much inflated HD compared to their CR, and the game can list some very high values for stuff which is realistically not much of a threat for even characters of much lower level. Like, just to pick an example of a pseudo-boss, I want to say the Scythe Tree has a listed value of 14, and there is absolutely no way that quest or map is designed for a 14th level party (they'll utterly steamroll it).
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Lord Koth posted:Out of idle curiosity, was this actually stated officially somewhere? I know some of the youtubers refer to it as such, but given its location on the info screen, along with roughly correlating monster stats based on type to it, I've always interpreted it as the Hit Dice of the selected monster - which is NOT the same (close to CR for some, way higher for others). No idea - I just assumed as much ; but then I'm a poo poo GM who does not know what CR really is/how it's calc'd.
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I always thought the way the balance on CR worked was “A party of four player characters at the same level as the CR will expend approximately a half to a third of their daily resources (spells, per-day abilities, etc) to beat it.” I think someone told me that, anyway. That’s for encounter CR, I have no clue how individual monster CR works.
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grah posted:The game almost entirely runs on a global timer from your kingdom start date. Just as a note to anyone worried about this or timed quests: The Kingdom Resolution mod has an optional spoiler section that, if you enable it, shows how many days you have until every kingdom event in the game. ex: 5 days until Troll Attack 1. 10 days until Jaethal wants to talk in the throne room. 24 days until Troll Attack 2. 40 days until the curse. It's really useful for figuring out how much time you have to do stuff and makes the time management a little less stressful.
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Preechr posted:I always thought the way the balance on CR worked was “A party of four player characters at the same level as the CR will expend approximately a half to a third of their daily resources (spells, per-day abilities, etc) to beat it.” I think someone told me that, anyway. I think it's a quarter of party resources for CR same as average party level. One monster of CR X is an Encounter Level X encounter. Also, the easiest way to determine the CR (technically EL, Encounter Level) of an encounter is to add up the experience given by all of the monsters/traps/haunts/other poo poo in the encounter and compare it to the experience-per-CR chart; for example, one Ogre (CR 3/800 XP) and two goblin dogs (CR 1/400 XP each) is a total of 1600 XP, which equals an Encounter Level 5 encounter, which should be challenging for a group of four level 5 characters, but not to the point that any of them is at serious risk of dying.
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My experience at least with 3.x's CR was that it was basically a total crap shoot because a lot of times the writers/devs did not think about what sort of special abilities monsters had.
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Gorelab posted:My experience at least with 3.x's CR was that it was basically a total crap shoot because a lot of times the writers/devs did not think about what sort of special abilities monsters had. That's definitely still a problem with 5e for some monsters ie: Intellect Devourers.
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Does Pathfinder Kingmaker have any dope as dungeons along the lines of Durlag's Tower or The Endless Paths? I'm thinking of picking back up on my playthrough.
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Mar 10, 2020 13:43
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One of the DLCs adds a giant dungeon to the main campaign (which I believe can also be a semi-roguelike side game)
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Kobal2 posted:One of the DLCs adds a giant dungeon to the main campaign (which I believe can also be a semi-roguelike side game) I remember that DLC (haven't played it) but is that as good as the aforementioned dungeons? One of the reasons I bounced off of Pathfinder was that, despite it's length and depth, most of the maps are very small and very samey. Lots of little pastures/glades/forests and that's about it. A cool multi-level detailed dungeon with aesthetics like Dragon's Eye, Durlag's Tower or Endless Paths would be dope af.
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It’s procedurally generated with random enemies, I didn’t like it beyond a place to test builds quickly. The campaign version is also janky in regards to doing it’s story quest, to get the real end you got to find a bunch of easily missable loot on each floor and it never tells you.
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chaosapiant posted:I remember that DLC (haven't played it) but is that as good as the aforementioned dungeons? One of the reasons I bounced off of Pathfinder was that, despite it's length and depth, most of the maps are very small and very samey. Lots of little pastures/glades/forests and that's about it. A cool multi-level detailed dungeon with aesthetics like Dragon's Eye, Durlag's Tower or Endless Paths would be dope af. The DLC dungeon is procedurally generated, so, within a few varied themes it gets kinda samey after a while despite each level being unique.
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Hmmm...well...does the game ever take you to some dope as neat fantasy areas? That's one of my favorite aspects of the classic IE-alikes: different maps with different themes and this sense of traveling and adventuring in an ultra-mega-wide world.
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chaosapiant posted:Hmmm...well...does the game ever take you to some dope as neat fantasy areas? That's one of my favorite aspects of the classic IE-alikes: different maps with different themes and this sense of traveling and adventuring in an ultra-mega-wide world. There are some nice first world locales (where they fey live), but it will be hard to admire them when spiders and owlbears hound you.
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chaosapiant posted:Hmmm...well...does the game ever take you to some dope as neat fantasy areas? That's one of my favorite aspects of the classic IE-alikes: different maps with different themes and this sense of traveling and adventuring in an ultra-mega-wide world. Most chapters have at least one fairly large, multi-level dungeon and at least one or two fairly large outdoor maps with good exploration potential. The second DLC, Varnholdt's Lot, (NOT the one with randomized dungeon) also climaxes with a pretty good sized dungeon encounter. I haven't found anything that I would classify at the level of Durlag's or The Endless Paths but I think the major dungeons are all good and the game makes up in quantity what it lacks in quality in this area.
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Extra/Dungeon quest GET. Now for 40k more, we unlock Magic In the Crusade. Essentially, seems to be big scale magic progects to affect things in the game (probably like the projects in Kingmaker that made you immune to poison and compulsion) and the golems you could make now be actual units in the strategy parts. Could be cool. One after that in 2 mil . Seems it could be Intelligent weapons. JamMasterJim fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Mar 10, 2020 |
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Updating my Journal. Magic for crusades is done. 2 mil for the next goal. 2.1 mil for the one after that.
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Looks like the next goal has been pegged as Dinosaurs + Hunter class. Hunter is a pretty cool class, and dinos are of course dinos, so that'd be rather nice to get - though it'll likely have to wait for post-KS donations given we've only got 6 hours left.
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Last stretch goal was indeed Dinosaurs + Hunters. And no secrets or decoding. This is the last stretch goal, at 2.1 mil. I am going to sleep now. Maybe I will see the game in my dream.
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So i really want to play and get some enjoyment out of this so I wanted simple fighter character, a greatsword paladin but I'm already feeling like if I try to play it any harder then the piss easy mode I'll screw up because I don't have the int for crane style(not even sure what that is) or I'm not building it proper to get the 1-2 levels of knife master/vivisection etc. I've found the build guides listed here https://www.gog.com/forum/pathfinder_kingmaker/ineffects_guide_v2/post4 but as I look at it all those builds dump some stats to 7 and are min-maxed to hell and back. On the other hand, I'm chunking every enemy with every hit so its not challenging and I don't even feel like trying exploit CC spells and disabling abilities. I'd like to experience a challenge but most of the starting advice mention the highly irregular difficulty curve and that the normal-ish mode is stilled geared towards experienced pnp players looking to break the character system over their knee. Is it worth trying to play? Or do I need to just follow a build guide if I want it hard enough to be a challenge without being complete bullshit,
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Thankfully, since Owlcat seems to have basically thrown out the entire tabletop mythic system and made their own, animal companions (and summons) will probably still be very useful all the way through the game. Base Mythic (including 3rd party splats) very much has the issue that pet classes and summoners have VERY little support for those class features/spells other than "they now count as mythic for the purposes of effects," which means they tend to verge on useless in the later stages of a full on mythic campaign.
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Hunners plus dinozords. Now it's literally every core and hybrid pet class except Summoner. Yes, I might be having a cow. pentyne posted:So i really want to play and get some enjoyment out of this so I wanted simple fighter character, a greatsword paladin but I'm already feeling like if I try to play it any harder then the piss easy mode I'll screw up because I don't have the int for crane style(not even sure what that is) or I'm not building it proper to get the 1-2 levels of knife master/vivisection etc. The only time you really need to worry about super-specific character build poo poo is if you are trying to build the character to be a tank. You get multiple damage dealers and healers who are, even mono-class, perfectly build to perform their roles (Ekun and Amiri basically build themselves even without following a guide, and both Regongar and Octavia aren't too hard to figure out). You just need to sort out a tank of some sort (either turning Ekun's dog into one or doing something with Valerie or perhaps Harrim or making your Baron one) and you're good to go. So no just plow on with your paladin if you are having fun.  Paladin is strong and good and you don't get one in the normal progression so your Baron will do stuff the others don't.
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pentyne posted:So i really want to play and get some enjoyment out of this so I wanted simple fighter character, a greatsword paladin but I'm already feeling like if I try to play it any harder then the piss easy mode I'll screw up because I don't have the int for crane style(not even sure what that is) or I'm not building it proper to get the 1-2 levels of knife master/vivisection etc. At any point in the game you can move the difficulty up or down so don't stress out too much over it. If you're having too easy a time, bump the difficulty up. If it becomes too hard, bump it down. You're not locked into any difficulty and difficulty will not make you miss any content. Those build are for Unfair difficulty and thus have certain assumptions that are irrelevant to every other difficulty. Those builds also have some wrong rear end ideas (I'm still mad about the Rogue analysis).
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SpaceDrake posted:Hunners plus dinozords. Now it's literally every core and hybrid pet class except Summoner. Eh, Summoner is so convoluted to build (the eidolon evolution alone is basically an entire new system to implement) and can easily become so grossly overpowered, I'm not going to miss it much personally. Also since eidolons can essentially take any shape whatsoever, good luck to the art team if they don't simply go "here's the sprite list for every mob in the game, knock yourself out" and call it a day... which would be wholly unsatisfying because if you can't see the half-dozen gaping mouths you've grafted onto your huge bird-centaur thing, what is even the point, may I ask you ? So I wouldn't be surprised if they kept it on the back burner forever.
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Hypocrisy posted:Those build are for Unfair difficulty and thus have certain assumptions that are irrelevant to every other difficulty. Those builds also have some wrong rear end ideas (I'm still mad about the Rogue analysis). The full BAB thing with rogue is absolutely a point, in the context of PFK's hosed up stat inflation and gigantic AC values for every single enemy including trash mobs. Also, even in the tabletop there's no reason to use rogue when slayer exists.
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pentyne posted:So i really want to play and get some enjoyment out of this so I wanted simple fighter character, a greatsword paladin but I'm already feeling like if I try to play it any harder then the piss easy mode I'll screw up because I don't have the int for crane style(not even sure what that is) or I'm not building it proper to get the 1-2 levels of knife master/vivisection etc. My main character was a Sylvan Sorcerer which is very strong but he wasn't min-maxed. I respecced him to switch his spells around once and made sure to max out his Persuasion with all the gear I could find that boosts it, but apart from that he wasn't incredibly optimized. I did exploit CC, though, specifically the Delay Poison + Stinking Cloud trick that probably everyone will stumble into at some point. So I'll just second what Hypocrisy said: I would definitely start on a lower difficulty and then gradually increase it until you find a level of difficulty that is right for you. Especially since the early game can be a slog otherwise as you just don't have enough abilities yet to make it interesting, so I wouldn't necessarily start on Hard or even just Challenging. You can easily customize the difficulty later on so it's always possible to find a medium between insta-gibbing every enemy and having to optimize every character.
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Roadie posted:The full BAB thing with rogue is absolutely a point, in the context of PFK's hosed up stat inflation and gigantic AC values for every single enemy including trash mobs. Ehhh, Unchained Rogue (which is what's used in the game) still has some uses for a party compared to Slayer. Setting aside the free finesse and Dex-to-Damage, Debilitating Injury is a fairly good customizable debuff(s once you get the proper advanced skill) to toss on enemies for the whole party, and it's untyped which means it stacks with everything. At the tabletop Rogue's Edge has at least some niche uses too, but that was removed (with nothing to replace it). In the context of Kingmaker specifically, Rogue also gets significantly more sneak attack dice which is relevant given how easy it is to apply in the game. Now admittedly you could just take 4 levels of Rogue and the rest Slayer and get almost everything relevant that's different, but that's getting into multiclassing chat.
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I tried building a Slayer and I still am having trouble seeing why anyone would ever play one instead of a Rogue. Especially in Kingmaker. I guess better BAB and easier chance at getting all those two weapon fighting feats. But their Sneak Attack seems so much worse. And in Kingmaker at least the extra sneak attack really comes in handy.
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Avalerion posted:Only thing better than a dino pet is a dino pet with teamwork feats, this last goal is hype. And slacker backers & preorders virtually guarantee we'll get it, even if we end up a couple dozen thousand short. It's been a good campaign and I am excited as hell for this next year.
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Can any pathfinder knowers chime in on how mounted combat works? That seems like another thing that could get difficult unless the game is designed around that from the groundup. Or can you ride your horse or dragon mount into a dungeon?
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Avalerion posted:Can any pathfinder knowers chime in on how mounted combat works? That seems like another thing that could get difficult unless the game is designed around that from the groundup. Or can you ride your horse or dragon mount into a dungeon? Sure can if the corridors are wide enough. And you have enough clear space to charge. And there aren’t obstacles in the way. Or stairs. The last time a player in our group tried to play on a horse, it got left outside every dungeon. That being said, if all the conditions are good for a charge, something will die. You can do ride by attacks as well. Who knows how it will be implemented in the next computer game. Stuff like this really wants turn based combat.
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Avalerion posted:Can any pathfinder knowers chime in on how mounted combat works? That seems like another thing that could get difficult unless the game is designed around that from the groundup. Or can you ride your horse or dragon mount into a dungeon? I'm not really qualified to answer but I was curious anyway. The rules seem pretty cool and relatively manageable. https://aonprd.com/Rules.aspx?Name=Mounted%20Combat&Category=Special%20Attacks Archers don't get an advantage for high ground, but melee attacks do. However, archers can take full attacks while mount moves, and with a penalty attack while the mount is going extra fast or double-move. Casters can cast normally if you have the mount move before or after you cast. Otherwise there are concentration checks because of the motion.The main benefit of firing while in movement comes with a penalty, so it's a cool option if you need it but not much there to build like a mounted wizard or ranger. The mounted combat rules for 5E in comparison barely exist, I have a cool mount through Find Steed, but in combat it's actually better to not mount it and just have it as an extra body and turn of attacks.
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Avalerion posted:And ninjas. Ninjas and Samurais if they attempt to Salvage jade Regent. Gunslinger if they do Iron gods. Investigator/Vigilante if they Do Council of Thieves.
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Berke Negri posted:wheres the kickstarter goal for guns, cowards Not a great month to sell people a game about shooting demons.
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