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coconono posted:acceptable! (Rick Rude, probably.) EDIT: Wait, they DID resolve it? https://twitter.com/WCWWorldwide/status/1157067019772137472 I always thought it was cliffhanger -> Starlight Foundation issue -> final issue that had nothing to do with The Black Stinger Saga. davidbix fucked around with this message at 22:30 on Mar 14, 2020 |
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Randaconda posted:Raven was so good in WCW, so of course they did jack poo poo with him. This is a couple of pages ago, but I always loved Raven. WCW was where I fell in love with the surly angry man who couldn't be arsed to wrestle and just sat down in the corner. It spoke to dissaffected suburban white boy me who also wore black T-Shirts with metal bands on them. I also loved the dynamic between Raven and Kanyon in mid-late WCW. With Kanyon being the chirpy, bouncy best mate of the surly 'edgy' tough kid. It reminded me of the two dogs in that WB cartoon. And also, I have always liked Raven outside the ring. I know he has his demons, and is at least a little problematic, but he is very smart, very sarcastic, and as far as I know, never raped or murdered anyone. Which for a wrestler of his era puts him ahead of the pack.
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BrigadierSensible posted:This is a couple of pages ago, but I always loved Raven. Raven is example #1 of why WWE wrestlers aren't cool. They always wear their loving t-shirt. What made Raven cool is he wore band t-shirts.
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MassRafTer posted:Raven is example #1 of why WWE wrestlers aren't cool. They always wear their loving t-shirt. What made Raven cool is he wore band t-shirts. dolph_ziggler_megadeath.jpg
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I'd argue WCW did way more with Raven than WWE did. He had the run with the flock, which made Kidman, Kanyon, and Saturn into viable midcard acts, culminating in one of WCW's only actual blowoff angles of the era, where Saturn beat Raven to disband the Flock at Fall Brawl '98. He was kinda' directionless after, tagging with Kanyon and Saturn after his Ferris Beuller vignettes, but in WWE I don't think he was ever even part of his own angle.
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WWF Raven was just one of a million Hardcore Goofs they cycled through plunder matches despite being very capable of character work
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WSAENOTSOCK posted:I'd argue WCW did way more with Raven than WWE did. He had the run with the flock, which made Kidman, Kanyon, and Saturn into viable midcard acts, culminating in one of WCW's only actual blowoff angles of the era, where Saturn beat Raven to disband the Flock at Fall Brawl '98. He was kinda' directionless after, tagging with Kanyon and Saturn after his Ferris Beuller vignettes, but in WWE I don't think he was ever even part of his own angle. Even the little vignettes were both generally humorous and were a neat nod to his full career. Though until I read about it a couple days ago I'd completely wiped his bullshit with Vampiro before leaving to WWF out of my memory.
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WWE Raven gave us that awesome triple threat Hardcore match at Wrestlemania with Big Show and Kane. But apart from that, I will agree that WCW did more with both the character, and the wrestler than WWE did.
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I know it's a typical ripoff but I thought Raven's WCW theme was one of the best, most perfect themes I've ever heard for a wrestler. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3vOV3Dr21E You can just listen to this and you'll "get" Raven's character. That is the mark of a perfect theme song. His WWE theme loving sucked.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkqbG5bKoEc&t=273s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=El5JuI9CsIo A lot of these people, particularly Billy Gunn, are so mad. I don't know much about some of these folks. This Bill Apter fellow at least gives Raven his due.
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the only thing i can remember about raven's wwe theme was that the titantron looked like two sock puppet birds
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jesus WEP posted:the only thing i can remember about raven's wwe theme was that the titantron looked like two sock puppet birds Didn’t it also have the same guitar riff as like half the themes during the Attitude era?
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Was the story that Vince didn't like Raven because he once got Shane poo poo-faced (and laid with hookers?) during his Johnny Polo years ever confirmed? Otherwise I feel like they only got him again later because why not. He left WCW on bad terms and ECW was disintegrating, so it was a good situation for them.
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Main thing I remember about WWE Raven was seeing him randomly pop up on like Smackdown occasionally and being surprised how fit he looked (maybe a year before he left). This is in stark contrast to what ever the hell happened to him post departure.
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Raven's thyroid got destroyed bc of all the steroids; that's why he gained so much weight Same thing happened to Shane Douglas Smoking Crow fucked around with this message at 21:32 on Mar 16, 2020 |
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I would argue that Raven's debut in the summer of 97 through losing to Goldberg in the spring of 98 was the best period of his career. He didn't wrestle much but his match with Benoit is one of the most satisfying rear end kickings ever and the 3 way with Benoit and DDP was my favorite 3 way for years. Great promos, and some great angles with DDP and Benoit.
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SCOTT LEVY RUNS AS A CHARACTER, RANKED: 1. Scott Anthony 2. Scotty The Body 3. Johnny Polo 4. ECW Raven 5. WCW Raven 6. Scotty Flamingo 7. WWF Raven (when he'd just be himself) 8. WWF Raven (when he'd be gloomy Raven) WCW Raven is the best in-ring run of his career and I'm not sure it's even close.
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davidbix posted:SCOTT LEVY RUNS AS A CHARACTER, RANKED: There was a brief period in TNA where he was having great matches with guys like Chris Harris.
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WSAENOTSOCK posted:I'd argue WCW did way more with Raven than WWE did. I dare to find the WWE stan who would argue otherwise.
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I loved when he left WCW and returned to ECW: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFnzLgwy4kk&t=242s That pop!
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MassRafTer posted:There was a brief period in TNA where he was having great matches with guys like Chris Harris. He got quite a bit of time in TNA, yeah. It wasn't always good, but they seemed to legit push him.
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Raven had a real nice run with TNA but like it pretty much all ended by the time Impact started and is remembered for the super bad bad Jarrett match booking. And the stuff in the Impact/Spike era when he had kind of ran his story path and the health stuff started affecting him was... bad. But like if you were watching those weekly PPVs you saw some really fun Raven stuff and there was a reason people were hyped for him to win the world title. Also D'Lo Brown had a fun run.
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TNA was so good during that post-FS1, Pre-Spike days right up to that moment they rehired Russo that I went full "it's just a little airborne! It's still good! It's still good!" for like eight years because I hated WWE so much.
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I just want to know who put those sheep sheers in place of the proper barber razor for when Raven lost his hair match. Also why the gently caress they kept mutilating him even after realizing the things they were using to cut his hair was also scalping him.
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Which if James Mitchell, Vampiro, Shane Douglas, and Raven did you expect to be the voice of reason?
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STAC Goat posted:Raven had a real nice run with TNA but like it pretty much all ended by the time Impact started and is remembered for the super bad bad Jarrett match booking. And the stuff in the Impact/Spike era when he had kind of ran his story path and the health stuff started affecting him was... bad. But like if you were watching those weekly PPVs you saw some really fun Raven stuff and there was a reason people were hyped for him to win the world title. I thought D'Lo's run badly exposed him as being merely average. His matches felt so boring and WWE like which was not what I wanted to see in that era.
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I wouldn't put D'Lo on any "best of" list. He was kind of sloppy and out of control and a little overweight. But like, I thought that was fun. A heavyweight who flies a bit and seems a little out of control but does more impact on moves smaller guys do. There's nothing I think needs to be sought out but I think it was just kind of fun to see him get a chance to let loose, do some stuff, and yeah, reveal a ceiling. And working a lot with AJ probably helped. 2003 was a different time with a whole lot less accessible wrestling. So I just think it was fun at the time unless you were seeking out harder to watch stuff. I definitely wouldn't argue D'Lo's case historically.
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MassRafTer posted:There was a brief period in TNA where he was having great matches with guys like Chris Harris.
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davidbix posted:That would require me remembering TNA things. The only reason I remember it is Raven does commentary on that match on his DVD.
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MassRafTer posted:I thought D'Lo's run badly exposed him as being merely average. His matches felt so boring and WWE like which was not what I wanted to see in that era. when your claim to fame is "One of the best workers on the undercard in the Attitude Era" it turns out that's such a wildly low bar to clear that when you're in any other environment you look like a chump
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Alaois posted:when your claim to fame is "One of the best workers on the undercard in the Attitude Era" it turns out that's such a wildly low bar to clear that when you're in any other environment you look like a chump I was willing to give him a pass on TNA too because it was TNA but his ROH run was pretty dull too.
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This is so beautiful
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MassRafTer posted:I was willing to give him a pass on TNA too because it was TNA but his ROH run was pretty dull too. he was still like the 3rd most over dude at 7th anniversary.
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Alaois posted:when your claim to fame is "One of the best workers on the undercard in the Attitude Era" it turns out that's such a wildly low bar to clear that when you're in any other environment you look like a chump I thought his claim to fame was a tie between his chest piece and paralyzing Droz.
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Nystral posted:
Yup, that was the 4 Horsemen lineup, Flair, Arn, Benoit and Pillman. And then Pillman had his "I respect you booker man" moment with Sullivan
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Pope Corky the IX posted:I thought his claim to fame was a tie between his chest piece and paralyzing Droz. no he was held down by an oppressive regime
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Goddamnit, I knew I was forgetting something.
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"Oh poo poo, he's actually going to punch me." quote:What an awesome Horsemen line-up this could have been. Shame it didn't last long. 
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