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Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination
I will vote anyone who talks about mechanics again..... here's our plan.

hunt scum.

we win when we kill scums.

Here's the last plan that is acceptable. Attack encounter if you want to, draw cards if you want to. Thank you very much.

MY INEVITABLE DEBT posted:

im gonna draw a lot so... dont rely on me to attack. pick someone else to attack!!

This is the scummies opening post. Please discuss.

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xopods
Oct 26, 2010

Toalpaz posted:

This is the scummies opening post. Please discuss.

Nah. Doesn't give me the vibe of someone making any particular effort not to seem scummy, or to ingratiate himself to the Town.

MY INEVITABLE DEBT
Apr 21, 2011
I am lonely and spend most of my time on 4Chan talking about the superiority of BBC porn.

Toalpaz posted:


This is the scummies opening post. Please discuss.

i just wanna see what i get

Grandicap
Feb 8, 2006

People saying they are going to draw instead of attack are assholes and selfish, but not scummy.

chaoslord
Jan 28, 2009

Nature Abhors A Vacuum


Toalpaz posted:

I will vote anyone who talks about mechanics again..... here's our plan.

hunt scum.

we win when we kill scums.

Here's the last plan that is acceptable. Attack encounter if you want to, draw cards if you want to. Thank you very much.


This is the scummies opening post. Please discuss.

:agreed:

I will not vote friend toalpaz, they are wise

Quidthulhu
Dec 17, 2003

Stand down, men! It's only smooching!

Toalpaz posted:

draw cards if you want to

Wait, can we play Triple Triad???

Infinitum
Jul 30, 2004


Oh we're in serious chat? Boo get back to joke phase

I believe this is Debt's first mafia game, so as mentioned before in prev games I have a personal policy of not voting newbies D1 (unless they do something super obviously scummy)

re:Gaming the system. I am 100% for it, with my only preference being we should start this from Day 2-3 onwards so people have the opportunity to do what the want the first night. Will agree to do whatever the group consensus is though

Infinitum
Jul 30, 2004


Further to this, based off reading my role PM, I believe players will have certain preferences on actions taken and having such an open discussion D1 (Again. I think it's fine from D2-3 onwards) only benefits scum in trying to figure out town roles.

I believe town should be open in what they are revealing, but only when their is useful/actionable info to reveal

chaoslord
Jan 28, 2009

Nature Abhors A Vacuum


Quidthulhu posted:

Wait, can we play Triple Triad???

:yeah:

not really but that could be cool

chaoslord
Jan 28, 2009

Nature Abhors A Vacuum


Infinitum posted:

Oh we're in serious chat? Boo get back to joke phase

I believe this is Debt's first mafia game, so as mentioned before in prev games I have a personal policy of not voting newbies D1 (unless they do something super obviously scummy)

re:Gaming the system. I am 100% for it, with my only preference being we should start this from Day 2-3 onwards so people have the opportunity to do what the want the first night. Will agree to do whatever the group consensus is though

Inf my Mafia Memory(tm) of you is that you’re a YOLO, do what you want type of player, so I don’t know what to make of this. Is my memory incorrect?

Squiggly
Jan 25, 2006

I'm Your Huckleberry

MY INEVITABLE DEBT posted:

i just wanna see what i get

Yeah okay but when I'm an invincible cop I want an apology

Squiggly
Jan 25, 2006

I'm Your Huckleberry

Grandicap posted:

People saying they are going to draw instead of attack are assholes and selfish, but not scummy.

That should be quoting this post? That's quite a fat finger

Infinitum
Jul 30, 2004


I was, I try to not be as much of a bombastic oval office these days.

We used gamification of the system to great effect in El Dorado from memory, where we openly revealed night actions and basically found DOOM SQUAD ASSEMBLE fairly easily, and having an almost complete town shut out victory.

Then someone got super lucky finding the game ending doodad in the desert and that was that.

Jen X
Sep 29, 2014

To bring light to the darkness, whether that darkness be ignorance, injustice, apathy, or stagnation.
I'm having a hard time trying to find posts which feel forced/fake, but my current array:

Grandicap posted:

If everyone draws we lose the encounter, we can't all be selfish. We should have some level of coordination.

this one, because it feels like an attempt to veer into mechanics chat without offering an actual solution

Sandwolf posted:

Hmm yes nothing says white noise posting than hypothesizing about early D1 play

and this one ##vote Sandwolf

calling out others' play but not contributing yourself is bad

Infinitum
Jul 30, 2004


Is it cause you're scum Jen X?

Grandicap
Feb 8, 2006

Squiggly posted:

Yeah okay but when I'm an invincible cop I want an apology

Yeah, because we all know that cops can never be assholes.

Grandicap
Feb 8, 2006

Jen X posted:

I'm having a hard time trying to find posts which feel forced/fake, but my current array:


this one, because it feels like an attempt to veer into mechanics chat without offering an actual solution


and this one ##vote Sandwolf

calling out others' play but not contributing yourself is bad

That post of mine you quotes was part of this posting shotgun:

Grandicap posted:

Dammit, not everyone can draw, we should set up some sort of system where we alternate who draws.
I'm down to attack in the first wave.

Grandicap posted:

It's a 16 player game, let's break into quadrants, and have 3 attack and 1 draw. Even if scum don't attack, that should still be enough to not lose the encounter, at least until the harder ones, maybe.

Grandicap posted:

If everyone draws we lose the encounter, we can't all be selfish. We should have some level of coordination.


Looking at the last post in a vacuum is not helpful. I did make a suggestion as to a solution. And the last post was directly in response to

Monathin posted:

I am going to draw tonight, regardless of other coordination efforts.

Which was just another in a line of people saying gently caress the police I'm gonna draw.

Quidthulhu
Dec 17, 2003

Stand down, men! It's only smooching!

Just noticed the pronouns in the OP! Thanks CPig! I'm he/him :)

Amnistar
Nov 6, 2008

I am a wizard, not a poet.

Quidthulhu posted:

Just noticed the pronouns in the OP! Thanks CPig! I'm he/him :)

It's not Cpig, it's in votefinder!

Grandicap
Feb 8, 2006

Quidthulhu posted:

Just noticed the pronouns in the OP! Thanks CPig! I'm he/him :)

You can set them in votefinder, the player list now autoadds them.

Amnistar
Nov 6, 2008

I am a wizard, not a poet.

Infinitum posted:

Oh we're in serious chat? Boo get back to joke phase

I believe this is Debt's first mafia game, so as mentioned before in prev games I have a personal policy of not voting newbies D1 (unless they do something super obviously scummy)

re:Gaming the system. I am 100% for it, with my only preference being we should start this from Day 2-3 onwards so people have the opportunity to do what the want the first night. Will agree to do whatever the group consensus is though

##vote Infinitum

1.) "Waaaah joke phase!"
2.) "That is scummy, but I'm going to excuse it."
3.) Game Mechanics discussion


I'm good with this vote.

Amnistar
Nov 6, 2008

I am a wizard, not a poet.

Amnistar posted:

##vote Infinitum

1.) "Waaaah joke phase!"
2.) "That is scummy, but I'm going to excuse it."
3.) Game Mechanics discussion


I'm good with this vote.

2 is admittedly weak, and I agree with the newbie pass as a concept, but in total that post is garbage.

Infinitum
Jul 30, 2004


Amnistar posted:

##vote Infinitum

1.) "Waaaah joke phase!"
2.) "That is scummy, but I'm going to excuse it."
3.) Game Mechanics discussion


I'm good with this vote.

1.) lol
2.) I never said anything about scummy, so also lol
3.) Game mechanics discussion is cool and good.

Like if you want to get voted Amni I'm happy to do so

Infinitum
Jul 30, 2004


No response to a wafer thin point?

##vote Amni

Sandwolf
Jan 23, 2007

i'll be harpo


Amnistar posted:

##vote Infinitum

1.) "Waaaah joke phase!"
2.) "That is scummy, but I'm going to excuse it."
3.) Game Mechanics discussion


I'm good with this vote.

I agree with this and the OMGUS from Infi makes me feel a bit better about it

##vote infi

Squiggly
Jan 25, 2006

I'm Your Huckleberry

Grandicap posted:

Yeah, because we all know that cops can never be assholes.

Fits me perfectly :discourse:

Squiggly
Jan 25, 2006

I'm Your Huckleberry

Infinitum posted:

No response to a wafer thin point?

##vote Amni

Holy OMGUS Batman

##vote infinitum

Squiggly
Jan 25, 2006

I'm Your Huckleberry

Sandwolf posted:

I agree with this and the OMGUS from Infi makes me feel a bit better about it

##vote infi

Sandwolf did you make me third vote you loving dick bag

Squiggly
Jan 25, 2006

I'm Your Huckleberry
Ay yo votefinder get in here and do your goddamn job I need to know if I'm third vote scum or not

Squiggly
Jan 25, 2006

I'm Your Huckleberry
I'm FOURTH vote? What the hell does that make me

Squiggly
Jan 25, 2006

I'm Your Huckleberry

flerp posted:

i dont want to attack but if people want to give scum an advantage then i will attack to prevent that

I could also vote flerp

He has the joke vote on infinitum and he bopped in for some ~mechanics~ discussion that reads like someone angling for townie cred while also not contributing poo poo

Infinitum
Jul 30, 2004


How is it an OMGUS if I respond to his non-points, wait for a response, don't get one, and then vote them?

It'd be an OMGUS if I was voting him just for the sake of him voting me, I'm voting him cause he had a lovely argument, has somehow made a mountain out of a mole hill, and lied about what I said (re:point 2)

Lot of specious reasoning ITT

Infinitum
Jul 30, 2004


Like Sandwolf and Squiggly just rocketed up my scumspects list for later review

Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

Hey guys I made it back barely before the end of the day AND I read the OP

I read all the posts too but so far they have been kind of boring. I think xopods is just naturally going to try and talk about the setup, that is kind of his thing so I am not all that put off by it.

Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

Also really four votes on infi from that amni case? Oh right and OMGUS the universal scum tell that catches scum 20-25% of the time!

flerp
Feb 25, 2014
sry ive been v sick lately and game mechanic chat was dumb and my brain is fried

infi case is pretty bad and dumb

##vote squiggly feeling like some incredibly forced d1 posts

votefinder
Jul 6, 2010

scoop scoop
Votecount for Day 1

Infinitum (3): flerp, Amnistar, Sandwolf, Squiggly, flerp
Amnistar (2): Monathin, Jen X, Jen X, Infinitum
Hal Incandenza (2): A Sometimes Food, chaoslord
Sandwolf (1): Jen X
A Sometimes Food (1): xopods
Squiggly (1): flerp
chaoslord (0): Jen X, Jen X
Monathin (0): Amnistar, Amnistar

Not Voting (6): Grandicap, Hal Incandenza, MY INEVITABLE DEBT, Quidthulhu, Retro Futurist, Toalpaz

With 16 alive, it's 9 votes to execute. The current deadline is March 18th, 2020 at 11 p.m. EDT -- that's in about 21 hours, 54 minutes.

Quidthulhu
Dec 17, 2003

Stand down, men! It's only smooching!

how did votefinder circle that post threshold 😳😳😳

Quidthulhu
Dec 17, 2003

Stand down, men! It's only smooching!

I had to go to the mobile app to lost emojis cause I don’t know smilie code anymore in the year of our lord 2020

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Quidthulhu
Dec 17, 2003

Stand down, men! It's only smooching!

except for the important scumhunting ones :allears: :smugdog: :rolleyes: :waycool:

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