Ice Phisherman posted:

I cannot in good faith pretend that it's going to be okay.

I mean, after a few years, sure. And poo poo is most likely not going to completely fall completely apart even in the short term. But authoritarians create all sorts of unforced errors all on their own. Add in a real crisis and they flounder and blame others and people die for stupid, avoidable reasons.

I expect for the people that don't die, they'll be uh...Okayish. If you're white and have a job. For people targeted by racism and hate though? It's not going to be okay for them when the fascists try to discharge their anger and fear onto other people. For people without jobs and no support structure? Not okay.

I really, truly, desperately want to agree with the people who say that things are going to be okay and in the mid-term, things are probably going to be okay for certain people. But if you're old or non-white or poor or sick, that's...gently caress.

Empress Brosephine posted:

I just don't think riots have any use in this country and don't think they'll accomplish much...hell I don't think there's much that can accomplish much period anymore in the way of protest.

Nitrousoxide posted:

I'm trying to wrap my mind around this if Trump just reopens the economy.

Paradoxish posted:

He didn't shut it down, so he can't reopen it.

The issue here is messaging. Republican governors are mostly only being dragged into this kicking and screaming, and it's going to be extremely bad if the messaging from the White House is that everything's fine. It's also going to be really not great if states aren't eventually all able to get onto the same page. Also it's not great if Trump continually refuses to use the powers available to the federal government to get on top of the supply chain for medical supplies.

So, yeah. States can and probably will stay locked down. It's still not good if Trump is screaming that we have to reopen the economy while lockdowns are in place.

bowser posted:

Rich people are gonna hoard this drug and kill a lot of poor people in the process.

cant cook creole bream posted:

Those British numbers just don't make sense to me.
How are there 6726 cases with 336 deaths? That's a 5% mortality rate. Even more if you account for the fact that the deaths are delayed and the numbers are growing.
In contrast, apparently, Germany has 29056 infected with 123 deaths.
That rounds to 0.4%.

What causes this massive discrepancy? I know that German hospitals are well equipped and have way more capacity, but the British healthcare isn't atrociously bad.
Is Britain underdiagnosed by a factor of ten?

Of course, due to the fact that Italy is completely overwhelmed those numbers are even worse with a ratio of close to 10%

So how come Germany seems relatively fine, with regards to the mortality rate? Do you think there are just a lot of people who coincidentally died from "unrelated" pneumonia lately? "No need to test them."

It feels like Germany is some kind of global outlier.

Ice Phisherman posted:

+1

Asian Americans tend to be far more educated and wealthy than your average American. Not all of course, but if Asian Americans started getting harassed, many could literally leave America for a functioning country, taking their wealth with them and creating brain drain in the process. They also tend to vote slightly in favor of the republican party (depends on where, but still) and make up just under 7% of the population.

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They're a large, well monied, well educated racial minority in the United States and they won't be persecuted as easily as Muslims were.

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Muslims used to vote 50/50% democrat/republican and now vote 90/10%. If Asian Americans flip in the same way, the republicans are no longer a viable party in many states and will have to work/cheat harder to win. And while many of these states are democratic strongholds, not all of them are. This will also cause many of them to radicalize and embrace left wing politics as well, bulking out the still growing numbers of the left.

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Most Asian people considered themselves a model minority and the whiplash that fascism is going to do to that belief is going to hurt. The persecution of Asian Americans is a massive fuckup for the republican party.

cant cook creole bream posted:

Those British numbers just don't make sense to me.
How are there 6726 cases with 336 deaths? That's a 5% mortality rate. Even more if you account for the fact that the deaths are delayed and the numbers are growing.
In contrast, apparently, Germany has 29056 infected with 123 deaths.
That rounds to 0.4%.

What causes this massive discrepancy? I know that German hospitals are well equipped and have way more capacity, but the British healthcare isn't atrociously bad.
Is Britain underdiagnosed by a factor of ten?

Of course, due to the fact that Italy is completely overwhelmed those numbers are even worse with a ratio of close to 10%

So how come Germany seems relatively fine, with regards to the mortality rate? Do you think there are just a lot of people who coincidentally died from "unrelated" pneumonia lately? "No need to test them."

It feels like Germany is some kind of global outlier.

nickmeister posted:

I was raised to believe that the worst would never happen and that things would slowly get better. But i think after 2016 i realized that the worst things are very likely going to keep happening.

There may be some sort of riots, but it's not going to change anything. People like that one poster's chud roommate will be told what to believe by the media. If they fall between the cracks they will be crushed by the state. The circumstances that many of us have considered normal for most of our lives will become something only a privileged class will enjoy. This idea will be hammered into people's brains via media propaganda.

I think we're heading towards some sort of balkanization of the USA. Places that are decimated will simply be cut off from more prosperous areas in a variety of sneaky ways. Who knows, maybe the Republicans could cook up some american flavored "social credit score" system like in China. Everyone who was too poor to survive the pandemic depression but has not become a post societal marauder can afford to buy bread as long as they dont get caught at any protests or make any of the wrong kinds of comments on facebook.

cant cook creole bream posted:

Those British numbers just don't make sense to me.
How are there 6726 cases with 336 deaths? That's a 5% mortality rate. Even more if you account for the fact that the deaths are delayed and the numbers are growing.
In contrast, apparently, Germany has 29056 infected with 123 deaths.
That rounds to 0.4%.

What causes this massive discrepancy? I know that German hospitals are well equipped and have way more capacity, but the British healthcare isn't atrociously bad.
Is Britain underdiagnosed by a factor of ten?

Of course, due to the fact that Italy is completely overwhelmed those numbers are even worse with a ratio of close to 10%

So how come Germany seems relatively fine, with regards to the mortality rate? Do you think there are just a lot of people who coincidentally died from "unrelated" pneumonia lately? "No need to test them."

It feels like Germany is some kind of global outlier.

Mecca-Benghazi posted:

cant cook creole bream posted:

Those British numbers just don't make sense to me.
How are there 6726 cases with 336 deaths? That's a 5% mortality rate. Even more if you account for the fact that the deaths are delayed and the numbers are growing.
In contrast, apparently, Germany has 29056 infected with 123 deaths.
That rounds to 0.4%.

What causes this massive discrepancy? I know that German hospitals are well equipped and have way more capacity, but the British healthcare isn't atrociously bad.
Is Britain underdiagnosed by a factor of ten?

Small White Dragon posted:

Also, Florida will impose self-quarantine on travelers arriving from certain high-risk states. (Bet we're gonna see more of this, too.)

Arrgytehpirate posted:

I have so much pent up rage I would love to loving brawl with someone harassing an Asian. Remember, it’s morally right to kill Nazis and anyone harassing Asians right now is a Nazi.

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Slowpoke! posted:

Do we have numbers yet on the percentage of people who recover but suffer long-term serious damage to lung tissue?

cant cook creole bream posted:

Those British numbers just don't make sense to me.
How are there 6726 cases with 336 deaths? That's a 5% mortality rate. Even more if you account for the fact that the deaths are delayed and the numbers are growing.
In contrast, apparently, Germany has 29056 infected with 123 deaths.
That rounds to 0.4%.

What causes this massive discrepancy? I know that German hospitals are well equipped and have way more capacity, but the British healthcare isn't atrociously bad.
Is Britain underdiagnosed by a factor of ten?

Of course, due to the fact that Italy is completely overwhelmed those numbers are even worse with a ratio of close to 10%

So how come Germany seems relatively fine, with regards to the mortality rate? Do you think there are just a lot of people who coincidentally died from "unrelated" pneumonia lately? "No need to test them."

It feels like Germany is some kind of global outlier.

Small White Dragon posted:

New Mexico and Oregon have joined the club and are shutting down non-essential businesses.

Also, Florida will impose self-quarantine on travelers arriving from certain high-risk states. (Bet we're gonna see more of this, too.)

Slowpoke! posted:

Do we have numbers yet on the percentage of people who recover but suffer long-term serious damage to lung tissue?

BIG HEADLINE posted:

Lungs are remarkably resilient. If they can heal themselves after someone quits smoking for a few years, they can probably stitch themselves back together reasonably well after this does a number on them.

golden bubble posted:

Singapore currently has more cases of Covid19 directly imported from the UK than they have directly imported from China. I wouldn't be surprised if they are about 5x underdiagnosed right now.

Ika posted:

The state I live in (NRW) has reported 8k cases total, >400 cases requiring hospitalization, >150 cases in intensive care. So I wouldn't be surprised to see the death toll hit 1k in two weeks. The good news is flu deaths are way way way down due to extensive vaccination programs, under 500 if I recall correctly.

DeeplyConcerned posted:

Dude you don’t need to brawl with anybody - chill. Do we get up in their face though and call them out on their poo poo. Most are pussies and won’t escalate

LifeLynx posted:

Is there a transcript of Trump's latest bumbling conference? Hell if I'm going to listen to him anymore.

cant cook creole bream posted:

Another weird thing about the German numbers is that the recovery rate appears ridiculously low. But that's mainly because we have long quarantines and no obligation to announce recoveries to any authorities.

Basically, the German numbers look like people would catch the virus and never let go of it, because they don't die and don't heal.

Sundae posted:

I dunno. Has the term been long yet?

BIG HEADLINE posted:

Lungs are remarkably resilient. If they can heal themselves after someone quits smoking for a few years, they can probably stitch themselves back together reasonably well after this does a number on them.

Ika posted:

As mentioned in my other reply, 14 days ago there were only 1.2 known cases. Assuming a recovery time of two weeks there could only be 1200 healed people at most.

Line Feed posted:

How much you want to bet Trump is crying behind closed doors, weeping about how he only ran for President to look cool and that he doesn't want to do this anymore.

cant cook creole bream posted:

That is technically incorrect. You are assuming that all those cases just started when they were discovered. It's quite likely that a lot of cases were diagnosed when they were already 10 days in, so that they could heal within a shorter time. If someone is dignosed right now who has had the virus for weeks and is basically through, there would be no real delay between reporting the case and the recovery.

Residency Evil posted:

Welp, my sister in law is positive.

My hospital is preparing for the real surge in two weeks or so.

mod sassinator posted:

I've been watching the whole thing and it can be summed up as, "You're going back to work next week, period."

Dr. Fauci was _not_ present. Dr. Birx dodged direct questions from the press about if the guidance to end social distancing in 7 days is sound medical advice.

It was a very bad and weird press conference.

BIG HEADLINE posted:

I think we got a good idea of what he's like behind closed doors in the leaks before and after that Oval Office 'chat' two weeks ago.

"Okaaaaaay..."

BIG HEADLINE posted:

I think we got a good idea of what he's like behind closed doors in the leaks before and after that Oval Office 'chat' two weeks ago.

"Okaaaaaay..."

Ice Phisherman posted:

+1

Asian Americans tend to be far more educated and wealthy than your average American. Not all of course, but if Asian Americans started getting harassed, many could literally leave America for a functioning country, taking their wealth with them and creating brain drain in the process. They also tend to vote slightly in favor of the republican party (depends on where, but still) and make up just under 7% of the population.

They're a large, well monied, well educated racial minority in the United States and they won't be persecuted as easily as Muslims were. Muslims used to vote 50/50% democrat/republican and now vote 90/10%. If Asian Americans flip in the same way, the republicans are no longer a viable party in many states and will have to work/cheat harder to win. And while many of these states are democratic strongholds, not all of them are. This will also cause many of them to radicalize and embrace left wing politics as well, bulking out the still growing numbers of the left.

Most Asian people considered themselves a model minority and the whiplash that fascism is going to do to that belief is going to hurt. The persecution of Asian Americans is a massive fuckup for the republican party.