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That segment was loving terrible, it's one of those things where I just don't get how people like it (they're not wrong to like it, I just don't get it!).
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Jerusalem posted:That segment was loving terrible, it's one of those things where I just don't get how people like it (they're not wrong to like it, I just don't get it!). Sandman in shorts
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Mar 28, 2020 01:22
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Don't get me wrong, I didn't like those segments either. But like I think a lot of that is just that everyone is playing it straight and don't have the rhythms of the joke down. But like as a creative idea it seems right up BTE's alley.
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Mar 28, 2020 01:22
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I mean, on the one hand it does make it basically impossible to take Raven seriously as a main event threat... but WCW had long, long since abandoned any inkling of that, so I'm not sure you can say they hurt him.
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Mar 28, 2020 01:24
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The closest Raven got to the main event in WCW was beating DDP for the US title and he got squashed a day later as I recall. Although I did love that Goldberg vs The Flock match.
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Mar 28, 2020 01:26
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I'm glad Raven wasn't revealed as the dark order leader in AEW. I didn't mind the flock and ravens what about raven thing in wcw and ecw but I think I've had my fill of him
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Mar 28, 2020 01:39
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I think the biggest reason people hated those Raven promos was because he didn't get a fair shot at the crowded main event scene and was usually one of the highlights of the shows he was on, then he randomly changes up his character. I don't remember any of his matches after this whole thing started, just Kanyon.
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Mar 28, 2020 02:11
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I don't think they really followed up on it in any serious way. He and Kanyon just returned as a team which led to that period where they were working with Saturn, Malenko/Benoit, and the West Texas Rednecks over the tag belts, and then Kanyon turned on Raven to form the Jersey Triad. Sandman got repackaged as Hardcore Hak and thrown into that hardcore division and I think Chastity was his valet for awhile. They just scrapped the idea that they were related to Raven. They just buried the angle, I presume because everyone absolutely loathed it.
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Mar 28, 2020 02:22
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I just remembered Raven's pre-ECW gimmick was a spoiled preppy rich guy. Those segments make so much sense now! 
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Mar 28, 2020 03:03
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Yeah, I think there's obviously a lot of clear thought there with Raven calling back to his old gimmick and bringing back his old enemies/allies as his siblings and friends. Its weird and it didn't land and it was probably way too meta and out there for the time even if it was executed better. But I GET it. Like even the idea of Sandman talking about his wife and kids feels like its got all kind of goofy meta subtext with the stuff Raven did with Sandman's family in ECW.
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Mar 28, 2020 03:23
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Doc M posted:For some reason, Wrestlecrap absolutely despised these vignettes and went on and on about how stupid they were and how WCW killed Raven's character because "RAVEN DOESN'T SMILE!" I think they had the gigantic flaws that there wasn't an explanation for the camera crew, and the new gimmick didn't have a way to be portrayed in wrestling matches. Broken Hardy had both just fine.
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Mar 28, 2020 03:33
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There's tons of stuff Matt has done that defy the logic of "camera men" or whatever. I mean, there's a sentient drone that projects holograms and actual "magic." People just generally go with it because they want to enjoy it. People excuse a lot when they're enjoying something and nitpick a lot when they're not.
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Mar 28, 2020 03:36
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Matt Hardy's magic and the sentient drone is no worse than Kane's fire, Undertaker's urn, The Great Kabuki's mist or the Dungeon of Doom. That's why I find it odd when Cornette complains about it so much, this silly stuff was just as prevalent in the 70's, 80's and 90's. Wrestling being silly and illogical is kind of what makes it fun Duke Pukem fucked around with this message at 03:58 on Mar 28, 2020 |
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Mar 28, 2020 03:56
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Alot of wrestling requires the viewer to play along and people pick and choose when they want to play along.
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Mar 28, 2020 03:59
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Over the last 20 years WWE has done wrestling comedy and 'magic' so badly that people now think it's not possible
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Mr. Carlisle posted:I'm glad Raven wasn't revealed as the dark order leader in AEW. I didn't mind the flock and ravens what about raven thing in wcw and ecw but I think I've had my fill of him Plus with those groups you wanted to see Raven get his rear end kicked for being a cult con man who treated his charges like dirt. Which was fine because Raven was still in shape and less beat up then. I do not wanna see Raven wrestle now. It would be sad and lovely. And I loved Raven, in an ideal world, the nWo is vanquished, Raven beats Sting via shenanigans and Sting or DDP spends the year mowing through the flock to get at Sting, as I always thought a Sting vs Raven feud could be great. El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at 04:05 on Mar 28, 2020 |
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Mar 28, 2020 04:03
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Out of context twenty years later the Raven/Sandman skits are really funny character comedy. In context twenty years ago they were telling everyone the cool character they liked was bullshit and fake, because wrestling is fake.
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Mar 28, 2020 04:56
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STAC Goat posted:There's tons of stuff Matt has done that defy the logic of "camera men" or whatever. I mean, there's a sentient drone that projects holograms and actual "magic." People just generally go with it because they want to enjoy it. I mean yeah, but "this must be recorded". Raven's one was explicitly playing to the camera. Yeah it's nit picking but why were we suddenly seeing the real Raven, and what would this mean going forward in the ring.
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Mar 28, 2020 05:12
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The first time I saw Raven he was doing that sulk in the corner thing and I thought wow, that's kinda cool. I respect sulking. And brooding too. Then they told this wild adventure that surprises you that Raven's actually rich. Which made sense to me since in my mind dude had to have some means since he mostly hosed around wrestling(ECW was a myth at this point for me).
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Mar 28, 2020 06:34
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Raven moping at the Nitro Party was cool and funny. e: Dave going after Dana for being a jerk during the crisis was good stuff. "My heart bleeds for a company that made $300M in profit last year."
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Mar 28, 2020 06:59
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Just listening to the Observer Radio with Jim Valley and Dave talking about the Top wrestlers of the decade, and Dave's dog going ham in the background rules 
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Mar 28, 2020 08:29
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coconono posted:The first time I saw Raven he was doing that sulk in the corner thing and I thought wow, that's kinda cool. I respect sulking. And brooding too. Then they told this wild adventure that surprises you that Raven's actually rich. Which made sense to me since in my mind dude had to have some means since he mostly hosed around wrestling(ECW was a myth at this point for me). Raven on Austin's podcast - "You really only need 4 or 5 spots. I consider sitting in the corner one of my spots."
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Mar 28, 2020 09:01
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Jerusalem posted:That segment was loving terrible, it's one of those things where I just don't get how people like it (they're not wrong to like it, I just don't get it!).  But he came back after weeks and weeks of his only presence on the show being those vignettes and he was super over as a babyface, and even back then, I was like, "...seriously? Okay, I suppose."
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Mar 28, 2020 23:09
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I think people just liked Raven. He was very good and excellent at connecting with people, got himself completely over in WCW with virtually no effort from WCW, and was part of a really good period for the WCW tag division at that time.
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Mar 28, 2020 23:12
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STAC Goat posted:I think people just liked Raven. He was very good and excellent at connecting with people, got himself completely over in WCW with virtually no effort from WCW, and was part of a really good period for the WCW tag division at that time. He was booking the division! It ruled.
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Mar 28, 2020 23:23
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Raven/Saturn, Benoit/Malenko, Filthy Animals, West Texas Rednecks, Jersey Triad. When people make jokes about me watching WCW in '99 I take no mind because that's the reason I was watching. But I didn't know Raven was booking it. The two guys I've gained a ton more respect of from that time period over the years are Raven and Konnan. Both had a lot more to do with the stuff I liked than I realized at the time.
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Mar 29, 2020 00:01
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Jerusalem posted:Just listening to the Observer Radio with Jim Valley and Dave talking about the Top wrestlers of the decade, and Dave's dog going ham in the background rules Yeah I loved it. He tried to no sell it but Valley wasn't having it.
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Mar 29, 2020 00:22
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Which reminds me, does anybody know why there hasn't been a Pacific Rim Podcast in awhile? I think it had been awhile that they hadn't done any before the coronavirus lockdown even, and you'd think now would be a good time to do one?
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Mar 29, 2020 00:37
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Jerusalem posted:Which reminds me, does anybody know why there hasn't been a Pacific Rim Podcast in awhile? I think it had been awhile that they hadn't done any before the coronavirus lockdown even, and you'd think now would be a good time to do one?
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Mar 29, 2020 07:39
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Jerusalem posted:Which reminds me, does anybody know why there hasn't been a Pacific Rim Podcast in awhile? I think it had been awhile that they hadn't done any before the coronavirus lockdown even, and you'd think now would be a good time to do one? couple days ago on twitter someone asked Fumi about it and he said he'll be back soon https://twitter.com/Fumihikodayo/status/1242467873726951427
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Mar 29, 2020 17:04
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Mob posted:Honestly, the Nerd Collectible Secondary Market is an amazing way to launder drug money If it means I get toys and drugs I’m on board.
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Mar 29, 2020 17:11
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The_Rob posted:If it means I get toys and drugs I’m on board. yeah my dude has a pretty good barter exchange rate for miniatures/gunpla/figures to weed. I haven't used it yet because I'd die before I give up my gundams.
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Mar 29, 2020 17:18
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Bryan: There are ways to live in a bubble
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Mar 29, 2020 17:47
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Jerusalem posted:Just listening to the Observer Radio with Jim Valley and Dave talking about the Top wrestlers of the decade, and Dave's dog going ham in the background rules Dave's alarm going off today had me spending a full minute looking around my house until Bryan finally asked Dave about it.
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Mar 29, 2020 19:10
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https://twitter.com/bryanalvarez/status/1244321265202024448 Poor Granny 
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Mar 29, 2020 19:52
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Video allowed for a fun little joke in this recap: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA11aWXWIMs&t=201s
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Mar 29, 2020 22:32
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Oh man, poor Granny 
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Mar 29, 2020 23:16
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Crazy Uncle Wayne was on a few early shows, I think. Or I may be misremembering.
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Mar 29, 2020 23:33
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It's time for THE BILL AND BUDDY SHOW! https://twitter.com/BTSheetsPod/status/1244477594214510598 Also: https://twitter.com/BTSheetsPod/status/1244370946280087552
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Oh my Good Brother. It's BAAAAAAAAACK!
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