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Certain types of mask do utilize a charged surface to capture particles. Washing them in soap can gently caress that up. Homemade cloth masks fashioned from a t-shirt or whatever do not fit into this category and can be washed. And in general yes, soap is effective against this virus. Small comfort, but let’s take what we can get here.
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QuarkJets posted:Why can't it just be thrown in a normal load of laundry? The virus has a lipid layer, so laundry detergent should be extremely effective. But I don't really know I didn't ask my niece that question. The procedure she described is simple enough. Probably this method is more generally valid for other nasties as well. I don't know.
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So as a nurse I'm curious why so many are convinced Plaquenil and Azithromycin are miracle cures based on that one very limited study. Anybody here a physician, especially rheumatologist or infectious disease? Maybe Plaquenil would help with inflammation from the virus and the body's response to it, but there are many drugs that fight inflammation, like steroids that are often used in severe respiratory infection and COPD. I think Covid tends to cause secondary infection in the lungs, often some form of pneumonia, so Azithromycin does help with upper respiratory infection, but wouldn't it make more sense to culture at that point to find out what the infectious bacteria/fungus is and treat accordingly? All seems too convenient that these two medications magically cure someone from a viral infection. I would think some sort of anti-viral may help, but who knows?
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Colonel Cancer posted:Any rappers die from it yet? any rapper worth his salt gets murdered before they reach the risk demographic except flavor flav I guess stay tuned
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Dick Wolf posted:So as a nurse I'm curious why so many are convinced Plaquenil and Azithromycin are miracle cures based on that one very limited study. Anybody here a physician, especially rheumatologist or infectious disease? Maybe Plaquenil would help with inflammation from the virus and the body's response to it, but there are many drugs that fight inflammation, like steroids that are often used in severe respiratory infection and COPD. I think Covid tends to cause secondary infection in the lungs, often some form of pneumonia, so Azithromycin does help with upper respiratory infection, but wouldn't it make more sense to culture at that point to find out what the infectious bacteria/fungus is and treat accordingly? All seems too convenient that these two medications magically cure someone from a viral infection. I would think some sort of anti-viral may help, but who knows? the initial study was made by someone with a history of manipulating results and was picked up in the right wing news twitter news sphere and jared kushner saw it and brought it to trump who thinks it's the miracle cure that will make him look like a genius so he went all in on it despite there being no actual evidence
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Dick Wolf posted:So as a nurse I'm curious why so many are convinced Plaquenil and Azithromycin are miracle cures based on that one very limited study. Anybody here a physician, especially rheumatologist or infectious disease? Maybe Plaquenil would help with inflammation from the virus and the body's response to it, but there are many drugs that fight inflammation, like steroids that are often used in severe respiratory infection and COPD. I think Covid tends to cause secondary infection in the lungs, often some form of pneumonia, so Azithromycin does help with upper respiratory infection, but wouldn't it make more sense to culture at that point to find out what the infectious bacteria/fungus is and treat accordingly? All seems too convenient that these two medications magically cure someone from a viral infection. I would think some sort of anti-viral may help, but who knows?
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Dick Wolf posted:So as a nurse I'm curious why so many are convinced Plaquenil and Azithromycin are miracle cures based on that one very limited study. Anybody here a physician, especially rheumatologist or infectious disease? Maybe Plaquenil would help with inflammation from the virus and the body's response to it, but there are many drugs that fight inflammation, like steroids that are often used in severe respiratory infection and COPD. I think Covid tends to cause secondary infection in the lungs, often some form of pneumonia, so Azithromycin does help with upper respiratory infection, but wouldn't it make more sense to culture at that point to find out what the infectious bacteria/fungus is and treat accordingly? All seems too convenient that these two medications magically cure someone from a viral infection. I would think some sort of anti-viral may help, but who knows? Azithro likely just incidental benefit. Plaquenil may have actual antiviral effects or may be anti-inflammatory. We need good studies to tell, and fast.
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goons, like this virus, are enveloped in a double-lipid case and washing them causes both to break down, die, and possibly rant about Star Trek for hours.
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Mithaldu posted:wouldn't wanna see him doing a bad job I agree.
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Mozi posted:the initial study was made by someone with a history of manipulating results and was picked up in the right wing news twitter news sphere and jared kushner saw it and brought it to trump who thinks it's the miracle cure that will make him look like a genius so he went all in on it despite there being no actual evidence Yeah, I figured. BTW everyone I work at a large hospital and while most of the patients are older there are definitely some younger critically ill patients. Mostly those that have ended up in the ICU have been men at about a 3:1 ratio vs women, and stats from Italy seem to support that it affects men more severely than women, but whether that is from more risk factors or genetics (two x chromosomes) is unknown, probably both.
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there's a new episode of internet quarantine etiquette with Erik out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxSC3ibqwUw
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If your reaction to a beloved music star of any genre dying of coronavirus is to say "that music sucks" then I dare you to turn your monitor off and say it three times so I can jump through the screen and slap the books out of your geek hands then snag on you and give you a swirlie
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QuarkJets posted:In other news, social distancing in the US appears to be a poo poo-show but is also having some measured effect: weekly total deaths are way down, per the CDC's FluView tool Playing around with the CDC's FluView tool, the week ending March 14th saw a precipitous drop in flu+pneumonia related cases that had not been seen in previous years, whereas the week before was ~the same as previous years. So we may continue seeing a drop in overall death rate, including death due to flu and pneumonia, as a significant chunk of the population practices social distancing. That would be a good thing even if it did nothing for coronavirus infections (and it will definitely have an impact on coronavirus infections)
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Dick Wolf posted:So as a nurse I'm curious why so many are convinced Plaquenil and Azithromycin are miracle cures based on that one very limited study. Anybody here a physician, especially rheumatologist or infectious disease? Maybe Plaquenil would help with inflammation from the virus and the body's response to it, but there are many drugs that fight inflammation, like steroids that are often used in severe respiratory infection and COPD. I think Covid tends to cause secondary infection in the lungs, often some form of pneumonia, so Azithromycin does help with upper respiratory infection, but wouldn't it make more sense to culture at that point to find out what the infectious bacteria/fungus is and treat accordingly? All seems too convenient that these two medications magically cure someone from a viral infection. I would think some sort of anti-viral may help, but who knows? I can't comment on Plaquenil, but Azithromycin has pulmonary specific anti-inflammatory properties beyond just its antibiotic effects. In fact azithro is pretty crappy when viewed purely as an antibiotic, resistance rates against its antibiotic effects are sky high, like up to 50% in some locations. The lung specific anti-inflammatory effect is the reason you'll sometimes see patients with advanced COPD put on azithromycin (usually just 1 tablet 3 times weekly). Thus, it makes sense that azithro might provide some anti-inflammatory benefit against covid as well (as the endpoint of covid can be pneumonia or pulmonary fibrosis, both of which are to a large degree dysfunctional inflammatory processes). Immune systems and the inflammation process are extremely complicated and nuanced though. If it was as simple as just limiting inflammation, the best option would be corticosteroids, but the evidence pretty clearly seems to suggest that large doses of steroids actually worsen covid outcomes.
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Dick Wolf posted:So as a nurse I'm curious why so many are convinced Plaquenil and Azithromycin are miracle cures based on that one very limited study. Anybody here a physician, especially rheumatologist or infectious disease? Maybe Plaquenil would help with inflammation from the virus and the body's response to it, but there are many drugs that fight inflammation, like steroids that are often used in severe respiratory infection and COPD. I think Covid tends to cause secondary infection in the lungs, often some form of pneumonia, so Azithromycin does help with upper respiratory infection, but wouldn't it make more sense to culture at that point to find out what the infectious bacteria/fungus is and treat accordingly? All seems too convenient that these two medications magically cure someone from a viral infection. I would think some sort of anti-viral may help, but who knows? https://abcnews.go.com/Health/clinical-trials-begin-week-york-coronavirus-treatments-health/story?id=69817703 clinical trials start next week, France and India have issued guidance on their use, pharmas are ramping up production. I post about them because of compassionate use laws in the US, if you have a loved one dying of this then it doesn't hurt to be educated. Watching people flip out about because trumpf is disgusting.
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Clinical trials starting means there isn't evidence supporting their use now. Outside of the braindead United States, physicians are being advised absolutely not to prescribe these medications. The reason more of these medications are being made is because you clowns are listening to your moron President and gambling on dubious science at the expense of people who actually need these medications.
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In case you hadn't already lost faith in the ability for people to do the right thing:quote:A man who recently returned to Australia from overseas is behind bars after NSW police stopped him from going outside for a third time in two days. Even the threat of being jailed wasn't enough to stop this guy breaking quarantine.
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And hey here's a good interview with an epidemiologist answering things about food safety, package safety, and why medical workers need n95 masks but normal people are fine with just a cloth mask (e.g. exposure to aerosol vs droplet transmission) https://jewishjournal.com/commentar...E0Tyxb-1G-XQTVE Regarding takeout, he echoes my own thoughts and behaviors on the matter: quote:They’re all legally mandated to send home employees who are symptomatic, so in theory it would be safe. But I know that the reality of it is that people often will not be paid if they don’t go to work, and thus many will show up even when they shouldn’t. So my personal advice is that if you do get takeout or delivery, make sure it’s all cooked food; I would not be comfortable getting salads or anything uncooked. That way you will be far more safe if someone happened to be sick while they were preparing your food. Upon receiving the food, which was handled by multiple people within the hour of delivery, I would do the following steps: I've gone one step further, and gone with twice-cooking delivered food. For instance, we ordered takeout thai curry, put it in a pot, re-cooked for ~5 minutes over medium-high heat, then served it.
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Dick Wolf posted:So as a nurse I'm curious why so many are convinced Plaquenil and Azithromycin are miracle cures based on that one very limited study. Anybody here a physician, especially rheumatologist or infectious disease? Maybe Plaquenil would help with inflammation from the virus and the body's response to it, but there are many drugs that fight inflammation, like steroids that are often used in severe respiratory infection and COPD. I think Covid tends to cause secondary infection in the lungs, often some form of pneumonia, so Azithromycin does help with upper respiratory infection, but wouldn't it make more sense to culture at that point to find out what the infectious bacteria/fungus is and treat accordingly? All seems too convenient that these two medications magically cure someone from a viral infection. I would think some sort of anti-viral may help, but who knows? Fauci said the evidence it was effective was entirely anecdotal which is generally not the way you want your Hail Mary miracle cures to be described.
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Lassitude posted:Clinical trials starting means there isn't evidence supporting their use now. Outside of the braindead United States, physicians are being advised absolutely not to prescribe these medications. The reason more of these medications are being made is because you clowns are listening to your moron President and gambling on dubious science at the expense of people who actually need these medications. There's been some similar dumbassery in Australia, one of our useless billionaires took out double page ads in major newspapers pledging ONE MIIIIIIIILLION DOSES of the drugs for locals, planning on building up a stockpile while the trials are still going https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/mar/27/clive-palmer-buys-huge-news-corp-ad-pushing-malaria-drug-as-coronavirus-cure
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A couple years back I had a bad cold and a doctor prescribed azithromycin. My wife laughed at me and told me that's what they give people who are being wimps so they leave the doctors office happy.
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Dick Wolf posted:So as a nurse I'm curious why so many are convinced Plaquenil and Azithromycin are miracle cures based on that one very limited study. Anybody here a physician, especially rheumatologist or infectious disease? Maybe Plaquenil would help with inflammation from the virus and the body's response to it, but there are many drugs that fight inflammation, like steroids that are often used in severe respiratory infection and COPD. I think Covid tends to cause secondary infection in the lungs, often some form of pneumonia, so Azithromycin does help with upper respiratory infection, but wouldn't it make more sense to culture at that point to find out what the infectious bacteria/fungus is and treat accordingly? All seems too convenient that these two medications magically cure someone from a viral infection. I would think some sort of anti-viral may help, but who knows? All forms of science journalism are trash and lead to people drawing massive over-reaching conclusions from preliminary and/or limited results. You don't even have to be a physician to notice this trend, it happens in every scientific field. Remember when a bunch of people committed suicide because a radiology technician self-published an article on arxiv about how the Large Hadron Collider was for-sure going to destroy the world? It didn't matter that a million-times more authoritative sources outlined how that person's article made no sense, and how the allegations were easily disprovable by observing common natural phenomena (e.g. the daily collisions one can observe in our own atmosphere of particles with many orders of magnitude more energy than the LHC could ever possibly hope to produce). The damage had already been done via sensational click-bait headlines. See also the entirety of the antivaccination movement So some doctors tried a "throw everything at the wall and see what sticks" approach in combating this deadly illness, found a couple of drugs that seemed promising in a handful of cases, journalists wrote articles titled MIRACLE DRUG CURES CORONAVIRUS and then the President tweeted about how we're going to make a billion doses of said miracle drugs. But anyone trained in statistics understands the folly of all of this; if you try literally everything then sometimes you're going to find results that appear promising at first but ultimately don't pan out with more data, and likewise you'll miss drugs that are actual cures but that didn't appear successful in a handful of tests. This is why real medical research is so important: to root out drugs that appear successful but turn out not to be, to find drugs that really do work, and to put a clamp on woo "cures" being peddled by the snake-oil Natural market. That's what's coming next: the hard work of actually determining which drugs, if any, are effective.
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Mulaney Power Move posted:Country music legend Joe Diffie died of coronavirus and no one here cares. I had all his cassettes. I hope they propped him up next to the jukebox.  RIP Kenny Powers IRL
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VikingSkull posted:no, it's hydroxychloroquine sulfate The #TrumpPills are a combination of hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, and zinc sulfate. Get it right or pay the price. Gianthogweed fucked around with this message at 01:45 on Mar 30, 2020 |
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a hot gujju bhabhi posted:In case you hadn't already lost faith in the ability for people to do the right thing: Guessing an addict going out for whatever he needs? It's a monkey bigger than any court order
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Gianthogweed posted:The #TrumpPills are a combination of hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, and zinc sulfate. Get it right or pay the price. the USA sure is something else huh https://twitter.com/subschneider/status/1242954754948575233
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Piss Meridian posted:the USA sure is something else huh Gotta focus on the positive aspects of this holocaust.
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Wow and it really is called Albert Einstein Hospital, as though we needed further proof that reality is scripted by a malicious prankster god
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a hot gujju bhabhi posted:In case you hadn't already lost faith in the ability for people to do the right thing: Yes clearly this man was just too dumb to stop. I'm also 100% certain addiction or mental health issues weren't at play here. Clearly prison will make him better and smarter now. ... 
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Piss Meridian posted:the USA sure is something else huh holy poo poo I finally watched contagion tonight and this is freaking me out
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Saw a bunch of goddam teens hanging out with each other as I walked my dog today.
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Sorry if this has been answered but is the "2-Hat Remedy" an effective treatment? I keep seeing reference to a cytokine storm which is apparantly part of a 1-2 punch where the immune system is used up and allows an infection to settle in afterward, leading to pneumonia, so I would guess not but wondering if anybody had any idea.
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Diagnosis: you're an old
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Slam Pajamas posted:Sorry if this has been answered but is the "2-Hat Remedy" an effective treatment? I keep seeing reference to a cytokine storm which is apparantly part of a 1-2 punch where the immune system is used up and allows an infection to settle in afterward, leading to pneumonia, so I would guess not but wondering if anybody had any idea. yes eating two complete hats will cure COVID19
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I’m getting an extra $2000 trump bucks because of my four kids and my wife wanted to save the money because we don’t really have much savings but I figured it doesn’t matter how much savings or food or medicine we can afford if we can’t protect ourselves so I noticed one of the local firearms dealers was letting you buy on credit up to the amount of Trump bucks you’re supposed to get (you essentially sign for a short term zero interest loan) so I took advantage of that and now I have a Desert Eagle with both 50 and 44 cal barrels and a couple hundred rounds of ammo.
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No post about the 180 Trump did re social distancing? I can't imagine what it took to get him to keep it going till June 1st, but thank Christ. Maybe way way more dead then they are saying, millions if he "opened up" the U.S. Maybe Kushner got stifled 
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