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Tex was very good at 1B defense when his legs were intact.
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derrek lee was really good at defense, especially picking aramis ramirez's lovely throws out of the dirt.
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Mar 30, 2020 22:28
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I don't know where he ranks in absolute terms but it was fun as hell watching him Ji-Man Choi dig stuff at first and make plays during the ALDS
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Mar 30, 2020 22:47
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Mar 30, 2020 23:05
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I'll second Mark Grace as a real good defensive 1B. Adrian Gonzalez was pretty good for a few years around his peak. John Olerud was an exceptional defender, too.
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Mar 30, 2020 23:09
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Bagwell had a reputation as a good defensive 1B but he hovers between 0 and -1 dWAR most seasonshabeasdorkus posted:I'll second Mark Grace as a real good defensive 1B. Grace had a career -5 dWAR Olerud -1.4 I wonder if it's our memories that are faulty or dWAR as a stat (it's probably both)
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Mar 30, 2020 23:14
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Don't remember if this has been brought up, but baseball-reference has been running a simulated 2020 season using OOTP. https://www.baseball-reference.com/sim/leagues/MLB/2020.shtml
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Mar 30, 2020 23:16
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Intruder posted:Bagwell had a reputation as a good defensive 1B but he hovers between 0 and -1 dWAR most seasons However dWAR is calculated for 1B seems to run counter to how we evaluate them based on the eye test. Rizzo has 3 GG's and a platinum glove, career -0.1 dWAR. Hosmer has 4 GG's and has literally never posted a season in which he didn't have a negative dWAR.
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Tony Phillips posted:Don't remember if this has been brought up, but baseball-reference has been running a simulated 2020 season using OOTP. AL West lookin’ spicy 
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Intruder posted:Bagwell had a reputation as a good defensive 1B but he hovers between 0 and -1 dWAR most seasons Sydin posted:However dWAR is calculated for 1B seems to run counter to how we evaluate them based on the eye test. Rizzo has 3 GG's and a platinum glove, career -0.1 dWAR. Hosmer has 4 GG's and has literally never posted a season in which he didn't have a negative dWAR. Isn’t that just the positional adjustment of playing first base? It’s about -9.5 runs every year
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Sydin posted:However dWAR is calculated for 1B seems to run counter to how we evaluate them based on the eye test. Rizzo has 3 GG's and a platinum glove, career -0.1 dWAR. Hosmer has 4 GG's and has literally never posted a season in which he didn't have a negative dWAR. My post wasn't mean to be advocacy of dWAR  But gold gloves are also bad measures My faulty memories as a teen of seeing Bagwell and hearing people say he'd have a bunch of GGs if not for JT Snow is all I have to go on other than flawed defensive metrics, so really it's just a "who's to say?" sort of thing JT Snow incidentally has a -10.8 career dWAR to go with 6 consecutive GGs and he didn't have a positive dWAR in a single one of those seasons GalacticAcid posted:Isn’t that just the positional adjustment of playing first base? It’s about -9.5 runs every year I will profess ignorance of how that actually effects the final number Intruder fucked around with this message at 23:40 on Mar 30, 2020 |
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Mar 30, 2020 23:38
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Local sports radio station (97.1 The Ticket, Detroit) is replaying Tigers games from the last decade. First up at 8pm is the June 2nd, 2010 game against the Indians in which Armando Galarraga was robbed of a perfect game. 
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Mar 31, 2020 00:17
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Mental Hospitality posted:Local sports radio station (97.1 The Ticket, Detroit) is replaying Tigers games from the last decade. First up at 8pm is the June 2nd, 2010 game against the Indians in which Armando Galarraga was robbed of a perfect game. The only 28 out perfect game in Major League history.
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Mar 31, 2020 00:30
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It's a good thing replay didn't exist back then. It would've really disrupted the flow of that game.
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Mar 31, 2020 00:48
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The best defensive 1B is already Evan White.
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Finally got around to watching the first part of Mariners History and I've already decided franchises moving is the dumbest thing ever. Signed, a Twins/Senators fan.
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Mar 31, 2020 01:28
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Senators is such a better name than “nationals” which is a terrible loving name
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https://www.baseball-reference.com/sim/boxes/ARI/ARI202003290.shtml I saw a bunch of wild loving stats on Bryse Wilson and found the culprit. 0 ERA five innings pitched, 1 loss, four unearned runs. Four goddamn errors. It's not even real and I'm still upset.
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rickiep00h posted:Finally got around to watching the first part of Mariners History and I've already decided franchises moving is the dumbest thing ever. Signed, a former Houston Oilers fan (yeah yeah we got the Rockets from San Diego but come on they're the freaking Rockets they belong here)
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euphronius posted:Senators is such a better name than “nationals” which is a terrible loving name Apparently DC threatened to block the team's move if they chose Senators. They're really mad they don't have senators of their own.
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Mar 31, 2020 01:41
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Rand alPaul posted:Apparently DC threatened to block the team's move if they chose Senators. They're really mad they don't have senators of their own. They could have done Americans or... Statists Or something
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Mar 31, 2020 01:42
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GalacticAcid posted:Isn’t that just the positional adjustment of playing first base? It’s about -9.5 runs every year No. Fangraphs uses UZR to estimate the number of runs a defender saves or costs his team, and only applies the positional adjustment when calculating overall WAR. So if they give a first baseman -3 dWAR, they are grading him as three wins worse than the average first baseman. That said, UZR seems (in my completely uninformed opinion) to be kind of poo poo for tracking first base defense, and I have no idea what they use for guys who played before UZR was possible. Sydin posted:However dWAR is calculated for 1B seems to run counter to how we evaluate them based on the eye test. Rizzo has 3 GG's and a platinum glove, career -0.1 dWAR. Hosmer has 4 GG's and has literally never posted a season in which he didn't have a negative dWAR. I don't know about Rizzo, but in Hosmer had lousy range. Which meant he made cool diving stops on balls that would be more routine for a better first baseman, and didn't seem to have a shot at balls that other guys could have reached. That's also why Jeter is so much worse on advanced metrics than the eye test.
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Patrick Spens posted:No. Fangraphs uses UZR to estimate the number of runs a defender saves or costs his team, and only applies the positional adjustment when calculating overall WAR. So if they give a first baseman -3 dWAR, they are grading him as three wins worse than the average first baseman. I don’t think you are correct. Specifically, it is definitely not 3 wins worse then the average first basemen. It’s scaled to the league not to the position https://www.baseball-reference.com/about/war_explained_position.shtml
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euphronius posted:They could have done Americans or... Statists Lobbyists would have been the best.
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Rand alPaul posted:Lobbyists would have been the best. Lol my friend is a capitals fan and I call them the Lobbyists as a gentle troll to him all the time
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Mar 31, 2020 03:16
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Rand alPaul posted:Apparently DC threatened to block the team's move if they chose Senators. They're really mad they don't have senators of their own. Compromise: Change the name to "Senators" now and let DC have senators. Also, give Puerto Rico an expansion team and Congressional representation.
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Mar 31, 2020 03:28
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R.D. Mangles posted:derrek lee was really good at defense, especially picking aramis ramirez's lovely throws out of the dirt. Man I havent thought about him in a long time.
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Mar 31, 2020 03:41
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The Mariners are showing the 2014 Home Opener and its wild how many of the players on the Mariners are not only not on the team anymore but aren't even in MLB at all.
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Patrick Spens posted:I don't know about Rizzo, but in Hosmer had lousy range. Which meant he made cool diving stops on balls that would be more routine for a better first baseman, and didn't seem to have a shot at balls that other guys could have reached. That's also why Jeter is so much worse on advanced metrics than the eye test. Sounds like Adam Everett
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Maybe I'm being a homer but I think if Matt Olson stays healthy and doesn't have some crazy fall off he'll definitely be in the best defensive 1B ever discussion. Honestly he's the best I've ever personally seen already, range, wingspan, picks, stretches, I really don't think he has a flaw out there
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Mar 31, 2020 04:32
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Matt Olson rules. He absolutely kills it for me in The Show, he's very quickly becoming my favorite AL player.
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Pancakes posted:Compromise: Change the name to "Senators" now and let DC have senators. Also, give Puerto Rico an expansion team and Congressional representation. Would love this because Puerto Rico desperately needs statehood and its own team.
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GalacticAcid posted:I don’t think you are correct. Specifically, it is definitely not 3 wins worse then the average first basemen. It’s scaled to the league not to the position So the baseball reference page doesn't explicitly state that DRS (their metric for defensive skill) grades players by position. But they mention that their metric comes from The Fielding Bible, and in their FAQ, they describe it like this: quote:In the Range & Positioning system, the computer totals all groundballs hit by right handed batters to Vector 206 (Vector 206 is a line extending from home plate towards the hole between the normal shortstop and third base positions, 19 degrees off the third base foul line) with an average velocity between 65 and 75 miles per hour and determines that these types of batted balls are converted into outs by the shortstop only 23 percent of the time. Therefore, if the shortstop converts a slowly hit ball on Vector 206 into an out, that’s a heck of a play, and it scores at +.77. The credit for the play made, 1.00, minus the expectation that it should be made, which is 0.23. If the play isn’t made, it’s -.23. And this would just make know sense if they weren't splitting it up by position. The metric is based upon balls that you could potentially make a play on. It would be utter lunacy to penalize a catcher based on what happens when a ground ball is hit to the shortstop. Or, as Fangraphs says bit more explicitly. quote:DRS is as easy to read as it is difficult to calculate. DRS tells you how many runs better or worse that player has been relative to the average player at his position. A +5 DRS at third means the player is five runs better than the average third baseman.
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Patrick Spens posted:So the baseball reference page doesn't explicitly state that DRS (their metric for defensive skill) grades players by position. But they mention that their metric comes from The Fielding Bible, and in their FAQ, they describe it like this: dWAR is a function of fielding runs and it’s quite explicit that you get fielding runs added or subtracted based on your position. So, no.
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Mar 31, 2020 07:18
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Whoops, you're right. I think that's dumb, but you're right.
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blossommirage posted:Matt Olson rules. He absolutely kills it for me in The Show, he's very quickly becoming my favorite AL player. To the extent any A gets nation attention, it's understandably and justifiably Chapman, but Olson is a real gem. Great weird batting stance too. IIRC he didn't hang the bat out over the plate nearly as much his first callup and it looked like he'd never be able to catch an MLB fastball. Next time around he started doing that and just blasting the ball to right. He loving owns, I really love the Matts. I hope against hope that these will be the homegrown guys we finally keep but it's the A's so
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Intruder posted:Sounds like Adam Everett Adam Everett was amazing don't you dare Not his fault he was built like a small child and had to lay out for things
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Mar 31, 2020 07:55
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Olson makes everyone else in that infield look really drat good. He's an Athletic so it goes without saying but he's a pretty overlooked player.
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Ramon Laureano is pretty dope too. I really like the current A's looking in, but I'm a slut for good defense, so...
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Pancakes posted:Compromise: Change the name to "Senators" now and let DC have senators. Also, give Puerto Rico an expansion team and Congressional representation. Given that MLB doesn't have its two leagues divided along geographical lines, such travel concerns would be an issue. IIRC Portland to San Juan with a connection via Miami was about 12 hours when you factor in flight time, layover time, and time zone changes. I don't know how long it would be from cities like Los Angeles or San Francisco to San Juan, but I would presume that similar trips would have to be part of larger away stretches involving teams like Miami or Atlanta. Can anyone remember what visiting teams did when the Expos played games in San Juan? Crazy Ted fucked around with this message at 09:02 on Mar 31, 2020 |
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